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[Chiramu]

 

 

 David Gaider ‏@davidgaider  6h6 hours ago

@khrismmm @goldenspine I think I'm going back to not responding to questions like these.

 

 

This is the point where David Gaiders' face fell onto his keyboard.

[Grieving Natashina]

This is the point where David Gaiders' face fell onto his keyboard.

I'm out of likes, but I'm genuinely giggling out loud over here.  I owe you one.  

[AEve1]

Fair enough.

 

Even if you don't mean to sound passive aggressive, he has a very low tolerance for it.  Just trust me on this one.  

Ha, yeah, I'll bet he gets a lot of angry tweets. It's hard to figure out who actually means to be rude and who's just bad at communicating online - I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing him for being defensive. Just feel like this person tweeting him probably wasn't actually trying to start a real argument. Starting a statement with "okay but," using mild expletives, and using all lowercase letters is characteristic of a lot of deliberately overblown humorous dialogue online. Lots of focuser "like" and friendly slang is also used to soften the speaker's stance after the initial tweet, so it seems like they were trying to back off from being confrontational.

 

Sorry, I'm a linguist. Can't help but analyze people's speech patterns.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ha, yeah, I'll bet he gets a lot of angry tweets. It's hard to figure out who actually means to be rude and who's just bad at communicating online - I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing him for being defensive. Just feel like this person tweeting him probably wasn't actually trying to start a real argument. Starting a statement with "okay but," using mild expletives, and using all lowercase letters is characteristic of a lot of deliberately overblown humorous dialogue online. Lots of focuser "like" and friendly slang is also used to soften the speaker's stance after the initial tweet, so it seems like they were trying to back off from being confrontational.

 

Sorry, I'm a linguist. Can't help but analyze people's speech patterns.

He's talked about it before.  Because he's been one of the most public writers/employees of BioWare, folks tend to look at him as a face of the company.  He has received some comments that still make me shake my head to this day.

[Thiefy]

I think bi!Cullen should be added back in. If only to show the bisexual and homosexual male fans that they matter.

 

As someone who was able to complete the romance with my preferred gender, I have to say, it is very likable and fulfilling. It would be great to share this experience with male Cullenites. 

 

I also this it's pretty distasteful to badger Mr. Gaider like that.  Honestly it looked like that user was trying to start something. Fans really need to take a step back sometimes and understand that devs aren't in a position to always be able to answer every question. Even if they were, they certainly aren't obligated to. There may be a rational explanation for cutting bi!Cullen as well as a complete BS reason they cut bi!Cullen but take a step back to realize that either way it's a possibility someone could get in trouble or lose their job if they speak out of turn.

 

In short, less douche baggery and more Cullen love. 

[Monica21]

I think bi!Cullen should be added back in. If only to show the bisexual and homosexual male fans that they matter.

 

 

A bi or homosexual male PC can romance Josephine, Dorian, or Iron Bull. A straight human female PC can romance Cullen, Blackwall, or Iron Bull. How is it again that those male fans don't matter? Just because it's Cullen?

[Thiefy]

A bi or homosexual male PC can romance Josephine, Dorian, or Iron Bull. A straight human female PC can romance Cullen, Blackwall, or Iron Bull. How is it again that those male fans don't matter? Just because it's Cullen?

I'm not actually sure what you are asking or trying to imply. Mind being more specific?

[Monica21]

I'm not actually sure what you are asking or trying to imply. Mind being more specific?

 

I'm saying that stating bi and homosexual male fans are being hyperbolic by singling out Cullen for a romance and saying that it somehow makes those fans "not matter." If you want to romance a specific character, then roll a PC of the appropriate race and/or gender. If you insist on your Inquisitor being a bi or homosexual male you get the same number of romance options a straight female Inquisitor gets, but you have other options. I'm a female. At some point I want to romance Dorian so I'll roll a male character. I also want to romance Solas, so at some point I'll roll a female elf. I'll be taking advantage of the options the game provides.

[Chiramu]

I'm saying that stating bi and homosexual male fans are being hyperbolic by singling out Cullen for a romance and saying that it somehow makes those fans "not matter." If you want to romance a specific character, then roll a PC of the appropriate race and/or gender. If you insist on your Inquisitor being a bi or homosexual male you get the same number of romance options a straight female Inquisitor gets, but you have other options. I'm a female. At some point I want to romance Dorian so I'll roll a male character. I also want to romance Solas, so at some point I'll roll a female elf. I'll be taking advantage of the options the game provides.

 

Whiners will always be whiners. They will not stop till they can get what happened with the romances in DA2 again, destroy all established personality for all characters so they can have a choice between all of them on a single playthrough. 

 

Of course they only think about their side and never the other side. You don't hear people wanting Dorian for female characters.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think this is why Gaider tends to get snarky and shut down by questions like this whole circumstance about Cullen.  It's not that he disrespects the fans, far from it.  It's that he used to be on the BSN a lot more, he is active on tumblr (he's got a good blog) and he's very familiar with this kind of fallout/reaction.  I'll be the first to admit that he can get very biting at times in his snarky comments back to the fans, but I can see where he's coming from and why he just shuts those conversations down as quickly as possible.

 

I would not be surprised if DG  goes into greater detail about this whole thing with Cullen on his blog here soon.

[Thiefy]

I'm saying that stating bi and homosexual male fans are being hyperbolic by singling out Cullen for a romance and saying that it somehow makes those fans "not matter." If you want to romance a specific character, then roll a PC of the appropriate race and/or gender. If you insist on your Inquisitor being a bi or homosexual male you get the same number of romance options a straight female Inquisitor gets, but you have other options. I'm a female. At some point I want to romance Dorian so I'll roll a male character. I also want to romance Solas, so at some point I'll roll a female elf. I'll be taking advantage of the options the game provides.

Lol whut?

 

Extrapolating a bit much from my post, aren't you?

 

At no point did I ever say that any fan didn't matter. I did say that male Cullenites would appreciate his romance content a lot if they got to play their preferred gender, especially given that Cullen was planned to be Bi at one point int time.

[Monica21]

You absolutely heavily implied that bi and homosexual male fans don't matter because Cullen isn't playersexual. For reference:

 

I think bi!Cullen should be added back in. If only to show the bisexual and homosexual male fans that they matter.

 

[Thiefy]

Whiners will always be whiners. They will not stop till they can get what happened with the romances in DA2 again, destroy all established personality for all characters so they can have a choice between all of them on a single playthrough. 

 

Of course they only think about their side and never the other side. You don't hear people wanting Dorian for female characters.

The difference between Cullen and Dorian was that Cullen was ment to be Bi, as per the cut content found in the game.

 

Dorian was always ment to be gay.

[Thiefy]

You absolutely heavily implied that bi and homosexual male fans don't matter because Cullen isn't bisexual. For reference:

       

Fixed that for you.

 

That wasn't implying anything. Bisexual and homosexual fans do matter, but if you would have read previous postings in the threads, a lot of them felt disappointed that this was cut from the game. Restoring the content back into the game would show better support for them.

[Panda]

Oh, I just found about this. This sucks for all gay/bi male cullenites and I know that there is lot. The day he was announced as m/f romance only was sad day within fandom : /

 

I guess this kinda shows that characters aren't set in the stone nor unchangeable. I never understood this you can't change characters sexuality or anything about them business. Characters tend to get rewritten and altered all the time. Some characters that have been around decades have gone through massive transformations. In the end of day we are talking about characters not a real people. Characters are in the end of day what writers want them to be.

[Monica21]

Whiners will always be whiners. They will not stop till they can get what happened with the romances in DA2 again, destroy all established personality for all characters so they can have a choice between all of them on a single playthrough. 

 

Of course they only think about their side and never the other side. You don't hear people wanting Dorian for female characters.

 

Not gonna lie, I kind of wanted Cassandra to be bi, but oh well. I can play a male character for her romance, too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I guess this kinda shows that characters aren't set in the stone nor unchangeable. I never understood this you can't change characters sexuality or anything about them business. Characters tend to get rewritten and altered all the time. Some characters that have been around decades have gone through massive transformations. In the end of day we are talking about characters not a real people. Characters are in the end of day what writers want them to be.

I disapprove of writers who do that, especially if it isn't originally their character. People argue that things like race, gender, orientation are integral parts of what make a character who they are, and then they change those parts of that character. 

[Monica21]

That wasn't implying anything. Bisexual and homosexual fans do matter, but if you would have read previous postings in the threads, a lot of them felt disappointed that this was cut from the game. Restoring the content back into the game would show better support for them.

 

How so? Because then a bi or homosexual male Inquisitor would get more romance options. Gosh, then I'd have to flail about the forums because there are four options for a specific preference and my preference only gets three. Then I'd have lack of support. See how that works?

[veeia]

I think this is why Gaider tends to get snarky and shut down by questions like this whole circumstance about Cullen. It's not that he disrespects the fans, far from it. It's that he used to be on the BSN a lot more, he is active on tumblr (he's got a good blog) and he's very familiar with this kind of fallout/reaction. I'll be the first to admit that he can get very biting at times in his snarky comments back to the fans, but I can see where he's coming from and why he just shuts those conversations down as quickly as possible.

I would not be surprised if DG goes into greater detail about this whole thing with Cullen on his blog here soon.

Personally I'd just disengage. Not a fan of punching down, which is how it looks when creators snark on fans, no matter how equal the conversation seems at the time and how frustrating the fan might be acting. I see a lot of people explaining you need context for some of his remarks, and I agree they make more sense if you know them, but someone who just stumbles across it doesn't know that, and it's never a good feeling when you feel like a creator of something you love is mocking you.

I adore his long posts though, when he's being genuine, he is excellent at explaining things in a thorough and concise way. So I hope he does write about it!

[Thiefy]

How so? Because then a bi or homosexual male Inquisitor would get more romance options. Gosh, then I'd have to flail about the forums because there are four options for a specific preference and my preference only gets three. Then I'd have lack of support. See how that works?

Not really.

 

The content is/was there. And it would make a lot of people happy. So why not?

It hurts NOBODY. It benefits some people, but because that person isn't you, the person it does benefit should lose out?

 

I'm really failing to see the point you are trying to make.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

How so? Because then a bi or homosexual male Inquisitor would get more romance options. Gosh, then I'd have to flail about the forums because there are four options for a specific preference and my preference only gets three. Then I'd have lack of support. See how that works?

You keep ignoring the fact that Cullen was originally intended the be bisexual and the content was only cut at the animation stage. Also, you keep saying that a gay male Inquisitor gets Josephine as a romance option... so I'm not sure how well you grasp the concepts that are being discussed.

[Panda]

I disapprove of writers who do that, especially if it isn't originally their character. People argue that things like race, gender, orientation are integral parts of what make a character who they are, and then they change those parts of that character. 

 

 

I don't since there is different interpretations of characters. Some characters have been developed years if not decades (like Donald the Duck) and they have had many writers. Importance of race, gender and orientation depends on how important they are to characters personality or story. There is lot of characters whose sexuality for example is never discussed or shown so their sexuality doesn't matter to their character. I think in Dorian's case sexuality is important to his character since his story is deeply connected to it.

 

Well this is just how I see it.

[Greetsme]

I find it funny how Bioware remove favorite features from each new title, but always add to the homosexuality/bisexual content.  Are they trying to convey a message you think?

[veeia]

I find it funny how Bioware remove favorite features from each new title, but always add to the homosexuality/bisexual content. Are they trying to convey a message you think?

... I'm not sure how this post is relevant in a thread about bisexual content being cut.

Also, no.