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[BroBear Berbil]

Caladrius' blood ritual - letting him kill all those slaves for 1 constitution is the most needlessly evil thing you can do in Origins that I can recall.

[luna1124]

I agree with both of these^^^

Turning Soris into the guards (City elf)

Killing Connor

Killing Wynne

[Merle McClure II]

Hmm, about the only ones that I can actually think of are defiling the ashes and turning Solis in, the rest of the examples mentioned can at least be justified. Oh, I forgot the mention the Tevinter Blood Ritual for CON +1.

[luna1124]

@luna1124 Is this during the Circle Tower Quest or after poisoning the Ashes?

Either one. You can kill her before entering the harrowing chamber in broken circle if you agree with Cullen about killing everyone up there. She will fight you.

 

I also want to add.. killing the mad hermit in the forest :/

[De Vulus]

Killing the Halla at the Dalish camp.

[Ebony Drake]

I can't seem to justify siding with the Werewolves and killing all of the Dalish, as fun as an option as it is to take when I play a pretty morally corrupt character.

[Akrabra]

Taking the bribe from Vaughan Kendells and let him keep Shianni and the other girls for the night. That one is just wrong on every level. 

[Current Future]

Morality is slightly subjective, so obviously opinions will differ. The only one I can think of right off the bat is killing Connor, even if he is posessed. The other one is defiliing Andraste's ashes. I'm not religious and wouldn't care if one got offended because the ashes were tampered with, but I think it's disrespectful to defile someone's grave. Any others?

 

As with many, if not all, of the choices in this game context is key. 

 

Connor, for instance, a possessed child who has sent battalions of reanimated corpses to assault his hometown in the name of fun.  Now when you encounter him:

1. Has the Circle of Magi been annulled?
2. Is it amidst chaos?
3. Does it stand?  

Also, what are your views on Blood Magic?  Especially since to fight the demon in the Fade, without Circle assistance, requires the sacrifice of a life.

 

Yes, looking at killing an (almost) innocent child, without going into context, should be reprehensible to most.  But once you take certain factors into account, nearly every "heinous" act in the game, from letting Isolde sacrifice herself to save Connor (although I did so happily as her accent was grating) to burning the Elder Tree, can be justified to an extent.  Except for lying to Elora to get her to kill the halla; that's just wrong. 

[SeanMurphy2]

I had no hesitation in killing Connor.

 

Redcliffe was the first area I went to and it felt intense. Lot of people dead, town being attacked by zombies and a powerful demon loose.

 

I got to immediately end the crisis and make the town safe by taking the life of the kid responsible for causing it.

[luna1124]

Connor only made the deal with the demon to save his fathers life. He is an innocent child. The demon was the one who did all the damage. Jowan was the one who should die for poisoning the Arl.

[Merle McClure II]

Except that killing Jowan doesn't "fix" things, and a child or not, Connor is "the dragon" that is destroying the town and needs dealt with "NOW".

 

 

Granted, most of my Wardens tend to use the blood Ritual and sacrifice Isode to at least try to save Connor since he is "just a kid", but the "smart" choice is to simply kill him and get on with trying to stop the Blight. (I pretend that using the Circle isn't even an option since it's so poorly thought out and feels "tacked on".)

[De Vulus]

Taking the bribe from Vaughan Kendells and let him keep Shianni and the other girls for the night. That one is just wrong on every level. 

But it's Hawke's voice. I gotta do what he says.

[Nessaya]

Apart from taking Vaughan's bribe I cannot think of any action in this game that is truly reprehensible.

Honestly, the only time I actually had to reload a savegame because I just couldn't live with myself was in kotor, [minor spoiler] where as a dark-sided character I forced Zaalbar to kill Mission Vao. I felt so utterly sad and wrong after that! Never had a moment like that that even came close in DA:O.

[Captain Wiseass]

Apart from taking Vaughan's bribe I cannot think of any action in this game that is truly reprehensible.

Honestly, the only time I actually had to reload a savegame because I just couldn't live with myself was in kotor, [minor spoiler] where as a dark-sided character I forced Zaalbar to kill Mission Vao. I felt so utterly sad and wrong after that! Never had a moment like that that even came close in DA:O.

Making Zaalbar kill Mission should have a little pop-up where the game itself tells you you are one sick bastard and should be ashamed of yourself.

 

As for Dragon Age, given what goes into making golems, supporting Branka and bringing back the Anvil feels like something that should get the Warden put on trial at the Thedas equivalent of the Hague.

[Merle McClure II]

I tend to see the Golems as a necessary evil considering exactly how powerful they are and the fact that the dwarves are literally facing extinction. One noncombatant dwarf being made the equal of twelve soldiers is a very hard force multipler to pass up on.

 

 

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Besides, even with dwarven society being the hopelessly corrupt scum pit that it is I could see being made a Golem as being a high honor on par with being chosen to be a Warden. (Shale seems to prove that free willed Golems are very possible so Control Rods don't have to be anything more then a "fail safe" similar to a Mage's blood leash.)     

[Mike3207]

Blood magic in most forms. 

[Merle McClure II]

Totally justified in being able to dish out AoE without worrying about friendly fire ... I can't count the number of times that Blood Wound has saved the party. (I consider using "tactics" that rely on metagame foreknowledge of enemy positions as cheating, so the game's ambushes actually hurt.)  

[mousestalker]

Blood magic is useful. The Gray Wardens are all about being expedient in killing darkspawn. A bunch of genlocks standing still, twitching in pain, waiting to be slaughtered, sounds like good sense rather than an evil deed.

[Aren]

Taking the bribe from Vaughan Kendells and let him keep Shianni and the other girls for the night. That one is just wrong on every level. 

 Vaughan is a monster, far worse than the archedemon.

[Merle McClure II]

  Really?  Worse then a nearly immortal monster that will literally destroy the entire world?  Really? 

[Merle McClure II]

As distasteful as it is, one could make an argument that Vaughan's deal was meant to save lives considering that the alternative is to slaughter a noble's son.

 

 

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Just to be clear, I meant that killing Vaughan does make a purge more likely.     

[DanteYoda]

Alistair going back on his marriage Anora after saying he was good with it at the last minute..

 

That there was when i realized how shallow a person he really is..