The only two things I've not been able to do in the game, even just to see and reload, because for me, they are just morally reprehensible are: defile the ashes and execute Alistair.
The one is defiling someone's last resting place, akin in my mind to defecating on someone's grave. The other is the ultimate betrayal of a trust/brother. All the rest of the 'evil' choices can be at least rationalized away.
Just can't.
The only two things I've not been able to do in the game, even just to see and reload, because for me, they are just morally reprehensible are: defile the ashes and execute Alistair.
The one is defiling someone's last resting place, akin in my mind to defecating on someone's grave. The other is the ultimate betrayal of a trust/brother. All the rest of the 'evil' choices can be at least rationalized away.
Just can't.
Can you rationalize sacrificing an bunch of helpless elves locked into cages in an blood magic ritual. That is easily the worst of all to me.
I don't see the problem with the sacred ashes. Andraste is dead. Those ashes are no longer an person. It's just dust. Not to mention you don't do it for the lolz, but because there is power to be gained in exchange.
As for Alistair, he deserted. And if you remember, Duncan punished Jory's attempt of desertion with death. It's not too different really.
Going down the road of "it's ok if you get power", can be just as easily applied to the Blood Ritual, as you have no idea that you'll only get CON +1, personally I find both to be reprehensible.
Going down the road of "it's ok if you get power", can be just as easily applied to the Blood Ritual, as you have no idea that you'll only get CON +1, personally I find both to be reprehensible.
An resonable argument, but then again, killing dozen of helpless people is pretty different from destroying what now is an inanimate object.
Not necessarily in an universe where concepts such as Souls and an Afterlife are taken as proven fact and where defiling gravesites can have actual tangible cause & effect.
Can you rationalize sacrificing an bunch of helpless elves locked into cages in an blood magic ritual. That is easily the worst of all to me.
I don't see the problem with the sacred ashes. Andraste is dead. Those ashes are no longer an person. It's just dust. Not to mention you don't do it for the lolz, but because there is power to be gained in exchange.
As for Alistair, he deserted. And if you remember, Duncan punished Jory's attempt of desertion with death. It's not too different really.
To be fair, Jory drew his weapon first.
Sacrificing the elves in the alienage and killing all the Dalish are probably the two worst things you can do.
Whether killing Connor is evil depends on how you get to that point. If you go into the fade and make a deal with the demon, that's evil. If you decide not to do the ritual and are "forced" to kill him, that is heart wrenching (because of the performance by Isolde's voice actress) but not evil.
Killing Wynne upon meeting her is something I could never do, even to reload and undo it. I could kill her after defiling the urn, but she brings that on herself. I can never just decide to wipe out the mages. Neither can I execute Alistair, although killing Loghain in front of Anora is pretty evil, too, and I do that almost every time.
I don't think abandoning Redcliffe is evil, just lazy. I never do it, but every time I play that level I wish I had.
Using the mod to remove the underwear is certainly not approved in some southern American states I believe!
Guest_CCVII_*
Actions by the Grey Warden, none. Actions by others, a lot.
To be fair, Jory drew his weapon first.
Like Duncan wouldn't have killed him anyway for refusing to become a Warden. The Wardens have to protect their secrets, after all.
Except that killing Jowan doesn't "fix" things, and a child or not, Connor is "the dragon" that is destroying the town and needs dealt with "NOW".
Granted, most of my Wardens tend to use the blood Ritual and sacrifice Isode to at least try to save Connor since he is "just a kid", but the "smart" choice is to simply kill him and get on with trying to stop the Blight. (I pretend that using the Circle isn't even an option since it's so poorly thought out and feels "tacked on".)
To quote Shepard after he punches Zaeed in the face for doing something rash, "There's always a better way." Dealing with it "now" is just doing it out of convenience and means you're willing to take the easy way out. Connor's problem was that he was never properly trained as a mage. To get proper training against spirits, they need to be in the Circle. Isolode kept it a secret so, as Teygn said, part of this wouldn't have been a problem had she just told someone. Yeah she was scared but the consequences weren't worth the risk. Getting killed for not knowing any better is taking it to the extreme..I always go to the Circle for help and only helped Jowan once because I hate Isolode and got a giggle out of her dying. Little snooty Orlasian hag. I also disagree with what you said about the golems because the golems became a power that got exploited. Imagine being someone who got forced to be a golem simply because someone didn't like you
Mine would be killing Connor because that's not right, leaving Redcliffe to the undead, defiling the ashes is a biggie, especially since their "Andraste" was nothing more than a high dragon manipulating them, and Bhelen. It stinks that the only way to get change out of Orzammar is support that little pompous fool Bhelen. I find the right of annulment to be too much as well. Mages shouldn't be killed just because of the "chance" that they might be blood mages. That'd be like we should kill the templars for a "chance" that they might be corrupt, as we could see in DA 2 and Inquisition. I still have a hard time banishing Alistair. I've always found him to be a good friend to your warden, unless you were purposely trying to be mean to him, and only banished him once so that I could marry Anora(Stuck up wench wouldn't even let you become actual king) so that I could get it for the endings trophy. I've never had my conscience be as guilty in all of Bioware's games as it was there lol
If I remember correctly Shepard and Zaeed had their spat because the latter was prepared to blow up a refinery full of innocent workers for his own personal revenge. Which has nothing at all to do with whether or not Connor should be killed. You simply can't white wash the fact that Connor is possessed by a TOWN DESTROYING Desire Demon and that you can either kill the child and save everyone or attempt to enter the Fade and quite possibly make things even worse. --- And that isn't even counting the pure stupidity that is going to the Circle to help ... "Oh it's ok guys, I'm sure that the demon which very literally nearly destroyed all of Redcliffe is simply going to play quietly in it's room for the next week while we go get help." ... Riiiiight.
Now as I said, killing a child isn't ever "easy" for any of my Wardens, but a few of them do it, especially the ones who can't enter the Fade themselves.
----
Onto the Golems, sure, the Anvil is a dangerous tool and the potential for abuse can and does exist, but one Golem is said to be equal to twelve Dwarven Warriors. Unless stopped the Darkspawn are going to raze every city, kill the men, and drag the women away to become Broodmothers to replenish their endless numbers.
Accepting the deal with the desire demon-- trading Connor's soul for sex/ the love of a companion.
If you accept their deal for power... then that's fairer, because the more powerful you are the greater chance you have of stopping the Blight.
Sacrificing the elves to the Tevinter Mage is pretty high on my list.
Defiling the sacred ashes even if my character is not the religious type (ie an elf with her own beliefs)
Killing Conner, or to a lesser extent letting his mother be killed during the blood magic ritual.
Siding with the Templars during the mage crisis. Loghain instigated the whole thing as far as I am concerned. But I love my mages and could never side with the Templars.
Sparing Loghain after all he did, and pissing off my bro Alistair. 
Guest_CCVII_*
Letting Kitty possess the daughter of Matthias then slay her all because I was too lazy to do the puzzle for the 50th time.
I don't see the problem with the sacred ashes. Andraste is dead. Those ashes are no longer an person. It's just dust. Not to mention you don't do it for the lolz, but because there is power to be gained in exchange.
Sacrificing the elves to the Tevinter Mage is pretty high on my list.
Defiling the sacred ashes even if my character is not the religious type (ie an elf with her own beliefs)
Killing Conner, or to a lesser extent letting his mother be killed during the blood magic ritual.
Siding with the Templars during the mage crisis. Loghain instigated the whole thing as far as I am concerned. But I love my mages and could never side with the Templars.
Sparing Loghain after all he did, and pissing off my bro Alistair.
QFT.
Granted, both my completed PTs were with elf wardens - my first being an elf mage OC of mine who gets physically sick whenever there's blood magic involved in a fight. But still.
Modifié par springacres, 22 janvier 2015 - 07:25 .
...A lot... 
1) Letting Lord Vaughn go free, especially as a City Elf.
2) Having Trian killed as Aeducan (I prefer to believe the character was framed)
3) Killing Connor (even if it means Jowan getting sent to the Circle every time)
4) Not helping the Mages at the Broken Circle quest.
5) Defiling the Urn
6) Sparing Loghain.
7) Killing Dog.
8) Not destroying the life gem, as the entity begs you to do (where you gain the Arcane Warrior specialization)
9) Allowing the Tevinter slavers to take the elves in exchange for blood magic.
10) Refusing to help Dagna go to the Circle.
11) Telling Ruck's mother the truth about her son.
12) Upsetting Alistair.
(And because you get the picture, I'll stop right here. xD)
...A lot...
1) Letting Lord Vaughn go free, especially as a City Elf.
2) Having Trian killed as Aeducan (I prefer to believe the character was framed)
3) Killing Connor (even if it means Jowan getting sent to the Circle every time)
4) Not helping the Mages at the Broken Circle quest.
5) Defiling the Urn
6) Sparing Loghain.
7) Killing Dog.
8) Not destroying the life gem, as the entity begs you to do (where you gain the Arcane Warrior specialization)
9) Allowing the Tevinter slavers to take the elves in exchange for blood magic.
10) Refusing to help Dagna go to the Circle.
11) Telling Ruck's mother the truth about her son.
12) Upsetting Alistair.
(And because you get the picture, I'll stop right here. xD)
Apart from 2, 6 and 11, I agree 100%. For 2, I can see a power-hungry younger brother or sister deciding Trian needs to go. (I plan on doing this myself with my super-mean, stuck-up DN playthrough.) For 11... no matter how badly I want to lie to Filda, I've just never been able to bring myself to do it. The only way I can see doing this is if you killed Ruck (which, again, I can never bring myself to do).
Sparing Loghain... I have yet to be able to do this, but I'm going to try with my F!Brosca. She's enough of a pragmatist that she might be willing to spare him initially just to get him to make the US. If you think you can't spare him, try dueling him with your PC at the Landsmeet instead of picking a champion. You get glimpses of the man he once was.
^^If you take Zevran with you when you meet Ruck, and talk to ruck a second time for any reason other than trading, Zevran will suggest putting him out of his misery and there is no way to stop him. No dialogue option to say no Zev, leave him alone....and then YOU get blamed for it by Ruck....
Apart from 2, 6 and 11, I agree 100%. For 2, I can see a power-hungry younger brother or sister deciding Trian needs to go. (I plan on doing this myself with my super-mean, stuck-up DN playthrough.) For 11... no matter how badly I want to lie to Filda, I've just never been able to bring myself to do it. The only way I can see doing this is if you killed Ruck (which, again, I can never bring myself to do).
Sparing Loghain... I have yet to be able to do this, but I'm going to try with my F!Brosca. She's enough of a pragmatist that she might be willing to spare him initially just to get him to make the US. If you think you can't spare him, try dueling him with your PC at the Landsmeet instead of picking a champion. You get glimpses of the man he once was.
Well, considering that DN has some very nasty (or fun, take your pick XD) choices, like ordering Gorim kill someone and not even care whether it looks like an accident or not, the potential for pragmatism or downright deviousness is there - more so than some of the other characters. Still, even when I tried to make my character go for said devious route, I'm like 'Okay, I'm going for it... going for it... going for it... I... can't."
If I'm ever to spare Loghain, I'll have Alistair become king with Anora. I just have to will myself to do things really differently in that particular playthrough. XD
^^If you take Zevran with you when you meet Ruck, and talk to ruck a second time for any reason other than trading, Zevran will suggest putting him out of his misery and there is no way to stop him. No dialogue option to say no Zev, leave him alone....and then YOU get blamed for it by Ruck....
That sounds like it might be an oversight on the part of the developers? Regardless, I only ever talk to Ruck about trading after the initial contact, so this is the first I've heard of that coming up.
Guest_Caoimhe_*
Letting that Arl have the elf girls for the night. Only time I ever took pleasure in killing someone in a game where I let even Loghain live, but that's so I can kill him in DAI. 
If i want to go dark side i go playing an imperial in STWOR lol, but even there i try to get the less awful way.
Retour en haut