Fiona is much harder then Denem and Envy is harder then Alexius and Venatori > Red temps
Siding with the Templar is a harder game for the most part but much more fun and you can skip Calpernia
that's the one boon in terms of gameplay Templar has over mages
Fiona is much harder then Denem and Envy is harder then Alexius and Venatori > Red temps
Siding with the Templar is a harder game for the most part but much more fun and you can skip Calpernia
that's the one boon in terms of gameplay Templar has over mages
really i had no trouble with fiona on my nightmare playthrough.
Just did the fight in my first Nightmare playthrough at Lvl 9 against Templars and the boss fight was rather exciting as I just had a couple of health potions left when it started. Failed the first time when I thought we'd focus on the boss. The second time I had Cassandra keeping him occupied while generating guard and the rest of the team took out all the minions - and then it was rather easy to take him down as all four could attack him at the same time. All survived but, yeah, no health potions left at the end so it wasn't a cakewalk.
Completed it on Nightmare with 2 warriors and 2 mages. Warriors with warcry and mages casting barrier back to back. Got it in 1 try.
Now the fade will be a different story I guess?
Not really. The Trebuchet fight is harder - at least on Normal and Hard. Haven't done it on Nightmare yet.
Templars are harder to deal with for one simple reason, you can't knock the knights (or Denam) down. Against Venatori you can knock everything down even the boss so you have far more CC available against them. With 3 physical you can keep Fiona's ass on the ground more or less permanently.
The Fade sequence really is not hard at all, the hardest part is running into the bug where the cutscene won't play after killing the boss.
This was the only thing in the game I tried that beat me, tho I did not know I could limit the number of guys or kite them, I forgot rogue sleep too. That was so crazy messed up all of them at once so I went back to normal mode. Anyway, I can do it easy after reading this thread, thanks
fade is easy, but doing emprise and hissing waste 4 levels lower is fun
Oh boy Emprise. Even going in at level 17 the horrors would take off more than half my guy's health with their AOE spirit damage aura. Had a bit of a rude awakening before I was able to clear it all out......
Templars are harder to deal with for one simple reason, you can't knock the knights (or Denam) down. Against Venatori you can knock everything down even the boss so you have far more CC available against them. With 3 physical you can keep Fiona's ass on the ground more or less permanently.
Sorry, I wrote wrong in my previous post. I fought Templars rather than Venatori, so I edited that. Can't compare the fights as it's the first time I've done the fight on Nightmare, but it's not a huge difference when it comes to challenge IMO.
I don't understand why people have complained about this fight and I never really have done. My first run was on Nightmare and I had zero problems.
What I do (I race to unlock specs, then return to old content) is race through prologue, race through Hinterlands to get 4 power, go to Val Royeax and buy all the tier 2 schematics. Twink out my party, do either the mage/templar quest line then do In Your Heart You'll Burn.
My last set up was probably the easiest attempt yet. I had both Cassandra and Iron Bull as s/s tanks, myself as a rogue archer and Solas as a support mage. It was quiet simply a taunt fest (both set up with challenge and war cry preffered with shield wall preffered, everything as disabled, manual control of Charging Bull), and in combination with Solas's barriers, neither tank was remotely in danger. My rogue archer just followed the cycle of Hook & Tackle -> Leaping Shop -> Wounding shot (the very last shot in the archery tree), rinse and repeat. Takes about 3 waves until the Trebuchet is fully powered.
Think my hardest one was probably my first play where I played a mage, didn't spec my tank right nor my mages. My main advice point is if you build your tank right (which really isn't hard, a simple tank build that is always effective is war cry/challenge/s&s passives/shield wall. With that alone he will not die, all you have to do is manually target Charging Bull), you won't have trouble at any point.
The only time I had trouble with it was on my first ever PT and then I had to Meta-game to complete it.
The second time it was so easy I had potions left over and upped the difficulty to hard.
I don't understand why people have complained about this fight and I never really have done. My first run was on Nightmare and I had zero problems.
What I do (I race to unlock specs, then return to old content) is race through prologue, race through Hinterlands to get 4 power, go to Val Royeax and buy all the tier 2 schematics. Twink out my party, do either the mage/templar quest line then do In Your Heart You'll Burn.
Well, you sort of answer your own question there. The game isn't that hard to begin with and even easier if you know the mechanics etc. You obviously know about the importance of crafting, getting as good schematics as possible and where to get it, so of course it's easy for you...
I've played the game once on normal, once on hard and now I'm doing it on nightmare. And the first time on normal was w/o a doubt the hardest one as I didn't know zilch about anything so I just blundered about with bad gear and bad builds.
I think Fiona was a lot easier than the big red guy. Never died to her. Siding with the Templars made my second playthrough as Rogue a bit easier actually.
For the third time, playing on nightmare, I sided with the mages again. I died twice, than got it right with a lot of micromanaging. I was using my Qunari inquisitor as tank, Sera for DPS, Solas for AOE and CC and Vivienne for general support.
The good thing is that, after you get past that fight you can pat yourself in the back and relax for the rest of the playthrough. The moment you unlock specializations, you can build some ridiculously powerful teams. That inquisitor with the champion specialization + Sera using Tempest were pretty much destroying Emprise du Lion's level 16 enemies at level 12.
I sided with the mages and beat the trebuchet solo at level 9 with a mage (nightmare). Keys to the battle: Wall of Fire and using the trebuchet as a LOS blocker.
I dunno, I've never had that much trouble with it. Siding with the templars definitely makes the fight easier as you face squishy mages and fiona. But yeah I just turn the wheel until templar archer and melee shows up, spank them. Repeat until Behemoth shows up, spank him. That part can get kind of chaotic, but with dispel and target prioritizing the archers, the fight shouldn't be too tough.
Are you turning the wheel and spawning like a million enemies? You don't have to do that, it's not actually a race against time, you're making the fight harder than it needs to be by spawning more dudes. It's about getting Fiona/Behemoth to show up, not turning the wheel as fast as you can.
Edit: Basically what I'm saying is you can stagger the spawns of the enemies so you only have to face 2 at a time until 2 specific moments where they spawn bunch of enemies. You can do this by only turning the wheel minimally every time.
I thought the fight was many, many times harder when you side with the templars. But I find venatori mages much harder to deal with than any other enemy in the game. It's a weird quirk of my gameplay style.
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