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How do we tackle on line bullying?
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:06
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Oh and Leo has an idea on how to police the internet.
He has been quizzed on it on pages 1 and 2 of this thread.
I'm just saying.
You don't make the weirdest threads, but you make some weird threads.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:09
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There is no purpose to it other than the fact that those who commit those crimes are scum likely poorly raised by their parents. For whatever reason stuff like this never seemed to happen 30 years ago and I'm sure plenty of playground insults were exchanged.
I don't want the morality police looking over my shoulder "for the sake of the children" or some other excuse. I'm not going to get along with everybody on the internet. Too many people who deserve my disdain.
Well, People think differently. It has been proven by multiple psychological studies.
http://www.theatlant...e-brain/372299/
Psychology is the key to ending mass shootings. Whether you believe in that or not.
Well, That's the exact reason why the internet is a mess and filled with harassment. It's like real life without police.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:18
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That's because its the internet, not real life. Its a mirror of what humanity really is with all of the glorious stupidity and disgusting filth. No use trying to make everybody get along. It isn't going to work.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:24
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What country are you from, Leo?
Why should this matter? But if you're curious to know, I'm from Egypt, And i had what you'd call "A rough childhood" though I've made the most of it and am actually proud of it, That's why i want to help people even if i have to think outside the box. As i said, In order to end something, You have to end its purpose.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:28
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You know what. I miss how this forum was in the old days. This just clicked.
Not that it was better, but we were more focused on games, and movies, and such. It was a fun time, a youthful time. Political threads were laughed away.
But then people like the selfie brigade, and the Pseudo intellectuals, and alot of the other types of new people I won't mention showed up. You started seeing really stupid threads about dating, and politics, and all this other crap that ill suits a gaming forum popped up.
It sucks.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:32
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Abraham threads are like watching Dr Phil while clicking an upworthy video on Sunday with a tequila influenced hangover.
Good dude tho
Good dude tho
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#84
Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:33
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Why should this matter? But if you're curious to know, I'm from Egypt, And i had what you'd call "A rough childhood" though I've made the most of it and am actually proud of it, That's why i want to help people even if i have to think outside the box. As i said, In order to end something, You have to end its purpose.
It's wholly irrelevant, I was simply curious,
That aside, can you truly not see the terrible repercussions, potential and inevitable, that the kind of nanny state you envision entails?
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:42
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It's wholly irrelevant, I was simply curious,
That aside, can you truly not see the terrible repercussions, potential and inevitable, that the kind of nanny state you envision entails?
Yes, I realize your criticism, I just don't think it's valid. If you bring up a generation of un-traumatized, fully-creative and driven by their own mind, Not by the collective consciousness of things people, The things they'd achieve would be far more greater than what any generation would achieve in the current time. And they don't need to be traumatized to take to martial arts either. You see, Admiral Hackett told Shepard a memorable quote in ME3, That you can pay a solider to shoot, But you can't pay a soldier to believe. You need to establish self-reliance in society instead of widening the effect of the collective consciousness.
As for my childhood, I've spoken about this issue to convince that particular guy who thinks that I'm a supervillain of some sort that I'm actually trying to help.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:49
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And what happens when your unburdened, unhardened society has to fend for itself? What happens when the government can't do it for them? You won't see any French Resistance then, you'll see timid sheep exploited or slaughtered. People MUST be allowed to fend for themselves if they are to survive.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 02:55
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And what happens when your unburdened, unhardened society has to fend for itself? What happens when the government can't do it for them? You won't see any French Resistance then, you'll see timid sheep exploited or slaughtered. People MUST be allowed to fend for themselves if they are to survive.
Actually, No. Creativeness means resilience, Resourcefulness. Creativeness means that you have an open-mind, That you're actually aware of who you are and your own views. That you're actually "Burdened". The system is there just to give you hope, To make you trust and have faith in humanity. And it's there also to make you human. According to the study I've shared on this thread, Some people see things others could not because they have more creative ability. But we don't really know what causes creativity yet. So verdict is, You're right, My system wouldn't work on most humans, And that's the kind of criticism i have been waiting to hear, But it would definitely work on a small portion of people, And it'd be very successful. And it'd create mind-blowing results.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:01
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Creativeness means neither of those things, but I can see that you're a bit too ideological for anyone's good, so I'm going to go ahead and abandon this thread.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:03
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So I have a question for Leo here :
Yesterday on that thread Bunz made about dating an older woman, that Gundam something kid who left the forum, he talked very badly about women, HARASSED them and YOU agreed and kept reminding him of so, you two hit it off pretty well while BOTH of you were saying such harassing stuff. So my question is... when these forum psychiatrists they are to filter people off, are you excluded from the rules? Are you an exception? Cause as I alway see it here on these threads, you always make noise and accuse everyone else when you don't have a buddy to make noise with but the second you do, you're no better than the rest of us.
Yesterday on that thread Bunz made about dating an older woman, that Gundam something kid who left the forum, he talked very badly about women, HARASSED them and YOU agreed and kept reminding him of so, you two hit it off pretty well while BOTH of you were saying such harassing stuff. So my question is... when these forum psychiatrists they are to filter people off, are you excluded from the rules? Are you an exception? Cause as I alway see it here on these threads, you always make noise and accuse everyone else when you don't have a buddy to make noise with but the second you do, you're no better than the rest of us.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:06
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Who takes my words completely seriously?
Do you honestly believe I think you're a supervillain?
I understand tone doesn't translate well into text, but come on Leo. That statement is only true to the people that canceled Firefly and Young Justice.
Anyway, in George Orwells Animal Farm (We're getting literary up in this hizzie), the Animals rose up against the opressive Farmer, and began to run the farm for themselves, making laws that every animal was equal.
Then, the Pigs started to run everything (because they were smarter than the other animals, thus assumed to know better), eventually becoming worse than the farmer ever was. By the end the animals can't tell the Pigs from the humans.
Why bring this up? Well Animal Farm was written as an allegory for the Russian Revolution, Vladimir Lenin overthrew the Czar and tried to make everyone equal. To make a Communist country, a way to help those oppressed by the monarch that ruled Russia previously. Problem was he died, with Stalin taking over after he kicked Trotsky out of the country and killed him. Which in turn lead to a tyrannical rule way worse than the Czar (Who's main problem was being massively incompetent, seriously, look at Russias involvement in WWI it's brutal)
You can set out with the best intentions, but at some point it's going to get malformed and twisted to the point of unrecognizable, and at it's worst, you become no better than the people you set out to destroy.
I could throw out Nietzsche quotes, but I really feel no need to.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:09
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So I have a question for Leo here :
Yesterday on that thread Bunz made about dating an older woman, that Gundam something kid who left the forum, he talked very badly about women, HARASSED them and YOU agreed and kept reminding him of so, you two hit it off pretty well while BOTH of you were saying such harassing stuff. So my question is... when these forum psychiatrists they are to filter people off, are you excluded from the rules? Are you an exception? Cause as I alway see it here on these threads, you always make noise and accuse everyone else when you don't have a buddy to make noise with but the second you do, you're no better than the rest of us.
No, I'm no exception. And no, I'm not a friend of Gundam, He's an *******. What exactly did he say and i agreed on? I don't really recall. I make noise because it's necessary, Not because i want to. Sometimes you have to yell in order to be heard, Specially on the internet. I'm stating my opinion just like everyone else, I respond well to constructive criticism and I'm hostile to the destructive criticism, That's all.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:11
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10/10 Best thread I've yet to see on BSN. I've been demanding a stricter moderation rules of the internet for quite sometime now in order to prevent this type of harassment/trolling. I also agree with her that it should be considered harassment, Not trolling. We also need to realize that the system is flawed and that we need a newly modified one.
Stricter moderation on the internet is a bad idea, it just dilutes itself to more censorship and identification. It removes the virtual layer and gives everyone an identity just like what Google is doing with their system. The internet is a portal of information and there should be no restriction on the type of information that can be sent from one place to the other.
Stricter moderation of platforms or sites on the internet is doable but then again it will just fall into problems cause forums by design are flawed and each rule can be easily exploited.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:13
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Who takes my words completely seriously?
Do you honestly believe I think you're a supervillain?
Come on Leo. That statement is only true to the people that canceled Firefly and Young Justice.
Anyway, in George Orwells Animal Farm (We're getting literary up in this hizzie), the Animals rose up against the opressive Farmer, and began to run the farm for themselves, making laws that every animal was equal.
Then, the Pigs started to run everything (because they were smarter than the other animals, thus assumed to know better), eventually becoming worse than the farmer ever was. By the end the animals can't tell the Pigs from the humans.
Why bring this up? Well Animal Farm was written as an allegory for the Russian Revolution, Vladimir Lenin overthrew the Czar and tried to make everyone equal. To make a Communist country, a way to help those oppressed by the monarch that ruled Russia previously. Problem was he died, with Stalin taking over after he kicked Trotsky out of the country and killed him. Which in turn lead to a tyrannical rule way worse than the Czar (Who's main problem was being massively incompetent, seriously, look at Russias involvement in WWI it's brutal)
You can set out with the best intentions, but at some point it's going to get malformed and twisted to the point of unrecognizable, and at it's worst, you become no better than the people you set out to destroy.
I could throw out Nietzsche quotes, but I really feel no need to.
Very good point. That's what I'd like to hear. However, Corruption of power is long matter to discuss and I'm getting really tired to be honest. 
So, I'll brief you. I've stated that my idea is merely a concept because of that particular criticism, I can't really get into a conversation like this without actually establishing a new and good system to stop the corruption of power. Otherwise, I'd be just making assumptions.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:15
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Stricter moderation on the internet is a bad idea, it just dilutes itself to more censorship and identification. It removes the virtual layer and gives everyone an identity just like what Google is doing with their system. The internet is a portal of information and there should be no restriction on the type of information that can be sent from one place to the other.
Stricter moderation of platforms or sites on the internet is doable but then again it will just fall into problems cause forums by design are flawed and each rule can be easily exploited.
That's why i think you have got to make the system itself resilient and strong in order to counter that. I didn't mean that the internet itself should follow a more strict code, I just meant that moderation needs to be heavier.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:18
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That's why i think you have got to make the system itself resilient and strong in order to counter that. I didn't mean that the internet itself should follow a more strict code, I just meant that moderation needs to be heavier.
Moderation is difficult. It usually follows a track system that monitors previous behavior and it warrants a punishment based on that. Most times, a person that has been banned a lot of times, is likely to be banned in the future for something very minimal. Perception is very important.
Not to mention the virtual layer, makes it different to express yourself on the internet. The internet does not have a tone sadly.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:21
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Moderation is difficult. It usually follows a track system that monitors previous behavior and it warrants a punishment based on that. Most times, a person that has been banned a lot of times, is likely to be banned in the future for something very minimal. Perception is very important.
Not to mention the virtual layer, makes it different to express yourself on the internet. The internet does not have a tone sadly.
Well, that's why I've stated that we need change. Not necessarily my line of thought about change in moderation. But we do all acknowledge that the system is flawed.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:21
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User profiling? LOL. Damn mods.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:24
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Well, that's why I've stated that we need change. Not necessarily my line of thought about change in moderation. But we do all acknowledge that the system is flawed.
Agreed.
Also,being more strict isn't even going to help the system in any way.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:25
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User profiling? LOL. Damn mods.
Yep. Allan Schumacher one said "When you are in moderation mode, there is data of your previous bans and warning points right below your name as you surf the forums" If I remember correctly.
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Posté 20 décembre 2014 - 03:25
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Agreed.
Also,being more strict isn't even going to help the system in any way.
Yes. I prefer to call it resilience of the law, But you guys aren't introduced to my definitions of a lot of stuff.
