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[Abraham_uk]

OR, You're just taking the easy way out of the conversation. What was meant by this sentence is that some people don't belong on the internet and they create unnecessary destructive conversations. A.K.A, Cyber-bullying. And that's why it needs to be stopped.

 

Cyber bullying must be stopped.

However I don't see why that is, or should be the role of internet police.

 

 

They are busy dealing with:

 

1. Terrorists (as in the ISIS sort)
2. Identity theft
3. Fraud
4. Money Laundering
5. Hacking
6. Business Security
7. and so many other threats that we don't even think about

 

Bullies on the other hand. Well like I said before, social networks have methods to deal with them. They vary from network to network.

We as people can also speak up against bullies. I remember the whole anti Onision movement in 2013, that rallied against one man's very questionable behaviour.

 

It is too much hassle for the state to deal with bullying, not to mention state tools for dealing with bullying could be misused.

[Abraham_uk]

My suggestion is what the woman in the opening post video was aiming at.

 

We stop relying on both the state and moderators to deal with bullies.

When we see bullying, we take it upon ourselves to deal with it.

 

We deal with it by providing support to the victims of bullying.

We challenge those who bully.

 

The bullies will most likely never be brought to justice. However, a few kind words from thousands of people could go a long way.

We can bring joy to someone whose life is blighted by both bulling on-line and offline.

 

 

How many of us have supported anti bullying campaigns?

How many of us have actually learnt from the Amanda Todd case.

 

 

Why must it always fall on the state to take a stand? Doesn't the state have enough on it's plate?

[Abraham_uk]

[Abraham_uk]

Good point. And to be honest, My system was initially created for corporations, Not for the internet. I can see its flaws, I can see it being misused, But as I've also said, I merely mentioned it to spark conversation for alternatives. I didn't expect it to get THAT much of a fuss. However, You had heard about the girls who committed suicide because they were cyber-bulled, Haven't you? My basic idea is to stop that kind of trauma in order to avoid suicide.

 

You should be commended for having good intentions.

However, I feel we should all be weary about the "road to hell".

 

So let's discuss alternatives.

 

Guys, let's lay of Leo and talk about how to deal with bullying in general.

Yeah I know, I changed the premise of the thread completely, but when the premise involves picking one guys idea apart, it becomes mean spirited.

 

So to Leo, I'm sorry. That was mean spirited.

 

So let's talk about how to deal with online bullying.

 

Oh and any gaming relevant stuff is also welcome in this discussion.

[KingTony]

I quite enjoy it.

[Cyonan]

You should be commended for having good intentions.

However, I feel we should all be weary about the "road to hell".

 

So let's discuss alternatives.

 

Guys, let's lay of Leo and talk about how to deal with bullying in general.

Yeah I know, I changed the premise of the thread completely, but when the premise involves picking one guys idea apart, it becomes mean spirited.

 

So to Leo, I'm sorry. That was mean spirited.

 

So let's talk about how to deal with online bullying.

 

Oh and any gaming relevant stuff is also welcome in this discussion.

 

I don't know that there even is one catch all solution to online bullying.

 

On an individual site basis you have your moderators, but then your anti-harrassment is only as good as your moderators are.

 

Once you try to solve it for multiple sites at the same time it becomes a logistical nightmare. Who is going to run it? How are you going to enforce it through international borders? What exactly is "harassment" considered? How are you going to minimize corruption in the "internet police"?

 

and if the people try to target those doing the bullying then as I mentioned before I believe that'll just turn into a witch hunt, and the people will become the bullies themselves in attempting to get rid of it.

 

It's an admirable goal to be rid of legitimate harassment online and giving the people who are struggling with it support helps, but I don't think there's a solution here that wont make matters even worse.

[NeonFlux117]

Get tougher and quit being a bunch or pvssies and scrubs. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

In my experience, I disagree about 90% of the time, when people call something "online bullying."

 

What I consider bullying is a very different animal from what the media and most people on the internet consider bullying.

[addiction21]

That's because its the internet, not real life. Its a mirror of what humanity really is with all of the glorious stupidity and disgusting filth. No use trying to make everybody get along. It isn't going to work.

 

Sticks and stone may break my bones but words on twitter will give me PTSD and the right to ruin peoples lives.

 

The bar for what constitutes "abuse" and "harassment" has been set so low that merely disagreeing with someone online has some people thinking you need to be jailed.

 

As to tackle on line bullying? Stop feeding the trolls. Stop giving them the headlines from the lowest blogs to international news sources. Its what they want, its what the copy cats see and leap too, and nothing of use gets done while focusing on "someone said mean things to me" online somewhere.

 

https://www.youtube....YXk_wfG-I#t=303 step one to go after this bullshit online.

 

Actual real world consequences instead of the nanny state "you shouldn't say that to someone because you might hurt their feelings" bullshit.

[Cheech 2.0]

The problem is no one is ever accountable for their actions. The internet allows jerks to become all that much more jerkier. People acting like an ass to me is fine, I don't give two shits, but there are others who don't have quite as thick skin. 

 

In theory the internet should be the welcoming, and inclusive place, but sadly it's the exact opposite. It's the wild west most of the time where you can be the biggest douchebag without worrying that someone will beat your ass down and do us all a favour.

[Eternal Phoenix]

We pray to God.

 

We say "helo ah ah ypo a don't"

 

We do a 360 turn.

 

And then you should have a glass of milk in your hand.

 

Place the glass of milk onto the alter and a door will open.

 

Enter the door.

 

You should have emerged into an open room with a double bed, a naked woman should be on the bed.

 

Reject the naked woman's advances and move into the next room.

 

In the next room there is nothing. Move into the next room.

 

You stupid fool! There is nothing in this room and no exit. You should have accepted the advances of the naked woman two rooms back! Idiot.

[Abraham_uk]

I don't know that there even is one catch all solution to online bullying.

 

On an individual site basis you have your moderators, but then your anti-harrassment is only as good as your moderators are.

 

Agreed. If the moderators are terrible, then there isn't a lot you can do about it. Part of the reason I love The BioWare Forums is because I really feel the moderators do a great job. But People are going to disagree with me on this point. To them I say, voice your disagreement. Seriously, I love hearing other peoples points of view. Life would be pretty dull if we agreed on everything.

 

 

Once you try to solve it for multiple sites at the same time it becomes a logistical nightmare. Who is going to run it? How are you going to enforce it through international borders? What exactly is "harassment" considered? How are you going to minimize corruption in the "internet police"?

 

That is difficult since human beings by very nature are corrupt. Being corrupt, cunning and duplicitous is a way to get ahead in life (sadly). I don't have a solution to the corruption issue. Point taken and agreed with. 

 

and if the people try to target those doing the bullying then as I mentioned before I believe that'll just turn into a witch hunt, and the people will become the bullies themselves in attempting to get rid of it.

 

Well, that is the nature of freedom of speech. The bullies have the freedom to bully and we have the freedom to fight back. Sadly we also have the freedom to poorly handle our fight against bulling creating witch hunts in the process. It's not much of a solution but I'd rather have us the people challenge bulling than the state. The state have enough problems to deal with. Here is one initiative for dealing with bulling. It's not on line bullying per say. http://www.antibullyingweek.co.uk/

 

 

 

It's an admirable goal to be rid of legitimate harassment online and giving the people who are struggling with it support helps, but I don't think there's a solution here that won't make matters even worse.

 

Here is my response. This is one of many such organisations fighting online bullying. http://www.endcyberbullying.org/

There is no solution to this problem period. Then again there is no solution to world hunger, wars, crime etc.

What we can do is try and reduce the potency and ubiquity of the problem.

 

I don't have solutions. As long as there are people, there will be bullying.

However if we don't fight against bullying then it will not only persist, it will get worse. Much worse.

[Abraham_uk]

In my experience, I disagree about 90% of the time, when people call something "online bullying."

 

What I consider bullying is a very different animal from what the media and most people on the internet consider bullying.

 

Which is why having discussions on this issue are important.

[Jock Cranley]

Really?

 

Licensing people to use the internet cause of your damn feels? 

 

That's absolutely crazy. Why do people expect the internet to be this nifty glass house where others only serve to make them feel good about themselves? Are they that weak willed and insecure? Are they a mere few insults away from going on a shooting spree? Are they that unstable?

 

Some people are ass holes. Some people are pricks. Some people are 20 feet up their own ass. Some will hate and belittle you. That is life. Deal with it. 

[Abraham_uk]

The problem is no one is ever accountable for their actions. The internet allows jerks to become all that much more jerkier. People acting like an ass to me is fine, I don't give two shits, but there are others who don't have quite as thick skin. 

 

In theory the internet should be the welcoming, and inclusive place, but sadly it's the exact opposite. It's the wild west most of the time where you can be the biggest douchebag without worrying that someone will beat your ass down and do us all a favour.

 

That is an unfortunate side effect of freedom of speech.

However one upside of freedom of speech is the freedom to speak our own minds too.

 

I will defend freedom of speech because the alternative is oppression.

We can say whatever we want, but we have to be prepared to face the consequences too.

 

 

Yeah that's a pretty strong deterrent.

You could be a douche bag but then again that will make you unemployable.

 

 

Seriously guys. Isn't the fact that those guys get fired from their job can never get a job enough?

Isn't the possibility of being permanently unemployed and unemployable a big enough deterrent?

[addiction21]

I don't have solutions. As long as there are people, there will be bullying.

However if we don't fight against bullying then it will not only persist, it will get worse. Much worse.

 

There is a tricky thing about bullying. Its easy to point at a bully when they are doing it to your "group" but when they are part of your group is the hard part.

 

Take that age old Jock vs. Nerd dichotomy. Born in 1982 I grew up both a nerd and jock. I couldn't do the High school table top club or the emerging vidya and programming clubs because of all the sports I played but I could do those on my own. In the past decade we have seen a real shift when you look to the pop culture mainstream. Comic book movies own the box office, fantasy TV shows from Game of Thrones to Once Upon a Time and others have TV, Video games are the top grossing entertainment passing all others.

 

That dichotomy has flipped and it has not been for the better.  Its far easier know to ruin someone thru social media then it ever was thru the gossip circles of old.

 

The upside is that it is easier then ever to research anyone and everything to come to your own conclusion because the internet never forgets but as is human nature most will just listen and believe instead of looking into it.

[Fishy]

That's because its the internet, not real life. Its a mirror of what humanity really is with all of the glorious stupidity and disgusting filth. No use trying to make everybody get along. It isn't going to work.

 

 

I don't agree. Apathy tend to happens when something is far from you. Are you crying over the thousand of kids starving right now ? Prob not. But if you were next to a kids dying from starvation . It would probably have a greater impact on you. Because it happens next to you. Internet  a bit the same. People say nasty thing online, but two minutes after they forget about it and they move on. Or maybe they will have a nasty smirkand might even feel better about themselves, but i'd rather do good. Because that make me even feel better.

 

I think a lot of folk just lose a lot of empathy Online for others and it ''normal'' in some way. I don't get nasties get to me, because I know who truly I am and they don't. You only give them power if you allow them to have power over you. It all start between your two ear.

[Sir DeLoria]

People who cry out to end bullying and harrassment are delusional, those are basic parts of human communication and society. Just like war, they're not pretty but will always exist.

[SlottsMachine]

Sorry Leo you can't run something like this alone. You need at least a hundred others, you all need to be raving murderous psychopaths who are well read in philosophy and literature, and you all need to give up your mortal bodies so that your brains can be preserved in jars indefinitely.

 

Yeah, this glorious. LOL.

[Ridwan]

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