I think it's because one of the themes of ME1 was about being a newcomer to the galactic scene. The other games start with the premise that Shepard is a central figure and wholly dependent to humanities survival.
This.
Plus it was structured mor elike a mystery than a "colonial space marines kick a$$" game. You spend most of the game running down leads trying to figure out what Saren is up to.
No, it's not satire.
Unless it's really bad satire.
Dragon Age Inquisition should be even more of a power trip. I really wish there were a line in the game that you could choose: "I am the Herald of Andraste! Bow before me!"
I would buy another copy just for that.
Dragon Age Inquisition should be even more of a power trip. I really wish there were a line in the game that you could choose: "I am the Herald of Andraste! Bow before me!"
I would buy another copy just for that.
"Bow before your new god and be spared!" 
I am the only God in existance, I am literally every where and every time!
"Bow before your new god and be spared!"
Me1 for me felt the least power fantasy like.
Definitely, in ME1 Shepard just felt like exactly what he is - an elite special operative doing their job and making the decisions that fall into their lap. Not that you don't make big decisions, but it's only because of the things you happen to encounter as opposed to, say, Legion arbitrarily letting Shep decide what happens to a sizeable chunk of their race. Or Shepard being appointed to oversee a meeting between the leaders of the Salarians, Turians and Krogan, all of whom have many times more authority than him.
The power fantasy did go a bit far in 2 and 3 I think. Of course since it's a game it had to fall to the player to decide what happens to the Krogan and stuff, but sometimes it was an obvious case of fantasy over realism. Personally I'd rather have immersion than feel like my character's a big man. Although the way the sabotage option is presented as an under the table deal was handled well in that sense imo.
No, I think it was just a genuine power fantasy.
This. Bioware's shtick is power fantasy. Most games have that element to varying levels, Bioware takes it further than most though.
Having finished playing Inquisition, it is growing evident to me that -- while BioWare would prefer to portray the conflicts within their stories more on the mature and realistic sides of things -- they also understand that a large portion of their fanbase is really into the classic hero/villain stuff and oblige them the cheap thrills they like to keep them happy, that doing so is good for business. You see what happens when this power-trip is taken away.
Having finished playing Inquisition, it is growing evident to me that -- while BioWare would prefer to portray the conflicts within their stories more on the mature and realistic sides of things -- they also understand that a large portion of their fanbase is really into the classic hero/villain stuff and oblige them the cheap thrills they like to keep them happy, that doing so is good for business. You see what happens when this power-trip is taken away.
You know, I'm sure you could be more condescending if you really put your mind to it...
You know, I'm sure you could be more condescending if you really put your mind to it...
You know, I would not mind your moral self-righteousness even half as much were you not so comically inconsistent about it. How many condescending posts have you made about the things you didn't like in this game? How many instances of it from others have you ignored or voiced your support for when you happen to agree?
Quite frankly, people like you make me feel like I am not such a bad person. Not everyone may like what I have to say, but I am always sincere and not wildly hypocritical about it.
I am not even rightly sure why you took offense from that post. I was thinking of a certain someone when I posted it. You were not it, though.
You know, I would not mind your moral self-righteousness even half as much were you not so comically inconsistent about it. How many condescending posts have you made about the things you didn't like in this game? How many instances of it from others have you ignored or voiced your support for when you happen to agree?
Quite frankly, people like you make me feel like I am not such a bad person. Not everyone may like what I have to say, but I am always sincere and not wildly hypocritical about it.
I am not even rightly sure why you took offense from that post. I was thinking of a certain someone when I posted it. You were not it, though.
I make no secret of my dislike of the game. But I keep it to the game, not the players. Anyone who does like ME3 is free to do so, and in fact I envy that they can.
But it seriously grinds my gears when people say that those who didn't like it only want "cheap thrills" and "power trips" Or aren't into mature stories.
I make no secret of my dislike of the game. But I keep it to the game, not the players. Anyone who does like ME3 is free to do so, and in fact I envy that they can.
But it seriously grinds my gears when people say that those who didn't like it only want "cheap thrills" and "power trips" Or aren't into mature stories.
Oh really? I could not tell. Attacks on opinions that favor the ending, or even just try to make sense of it rather than blindly agreeing the majority who parrot that they're lol just bad writan lol, are not in short supply but I cannot seem to recall you ever making an issue of those posts.
Then perhaps you should pay more attention to what I write, and not just lump everyone into a single "hater" category.
And I never said as much. It's not what I meant, either. That was a conclusion you leapt to.
Ahem:
Having finished playing Inquisition, it is growing evident to me that -- while BioWare would prefer to portray the conflicts within their stories more on the mature and realistic sides of things -- they also understand that a large portion of their fanbase is really into the classic hero/villain stuff and oblige them the cheap thrills they like to keep them happy, that doing so is good for business. You see what happens when this power-trip is taken away.
Back to the original topic .... I oscillate on my opinions of the ending more than I should but I believe the 3 "real" endings are not intentional satire. The original [and even EC endings] are handled poorly -- so much that they may appear as satire to some -- but I don't believe that is deliberate.
Devil's Advocate: The "Refusal" ending and how it is handled may come the closest esp. for folks that are IT backers. Having the Starchild use Harbinger's voice for the "so be it" ending comes about as close as you get to trolling a portion of your own fan base as you're likely to see. Whether this is intentional or not is IMHO more up for debate than anything else I've noticed so far.
FYI: The definition of satire that I'm working with is basically "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose or criticize other people's stupidity".
Other than the whole "We are killing you to protect "all life" from being killed by syntetic life" was one thing and completely bad logic loop. its also the lack of what happened afterwards. Also why was Joker running away?? It was like WTF is going on... the ending felt rushed to the point of, "Wow guys did you tack this on as an after-thought?"
Yes the Free DLC helped with that but still makes me wonder, did they really look at and watch it and people agreed that "Yep thats what I wanted" Or did they just find a bunch of yes men. There are reasons, why movies do test runs of there movies with live people. To find out what does and dont not make sense. Just because you konw all the backstory doesn't mean that you present the infomation to the audience correctly. And in this case, if we where talking about movies, It went from an A moive (near block buster status) to B within a few minutes. I think its the same thing that happend with 2001 A Space Odessy. Tho I just pass the last few mins of that to be the oblisk giving him a ton of infomation. Or chaning him into a higher being.
If I where to talk about this like a plane, It would be a plane ride where the inflight movie was good, No smelling gross pasanngers and the inflight food was good. And when coming in for a landing the landing gear breaks and crashs the plane. No one dies but, the only thing you remember about the plane trip is the end when something bad happened.
Other than the whole "We are killing you to protect "all life" from being killed by syntetic life" was one thing and completely bad logic loop. its also the lack of what happened afterwards. Also why was Joker running away?? It was like WTF is going on... the ending felt rushed to the point of, "Wow guys did you tack this on as an after-thought?"
If you listen carefully after the run to the beam you have the answer why joker is running away, and it's here from the original ending!
There are reasons, why movies do test runs of there movies with live people. To find out what does and dont not make sense. Just because you konw all the backstory doesn't mean that you present the infomation to the audience correctly. And in this case, if we where talking about movies, It went from an A moive (near block buster status) to B within a few minutes. I think its the same thing that happend with 2001 A Space Odessy. Tho I just pass the last few mins of that to be the oblisk giving him a ton of infomation. Or chaning him into a higher being.
No, test on people in cinema industry isn't about making sense, it's about how people will like. Not everyone do that test. It has nothing to do with quality! It's all about reception, which isn't the same thing at all!
If I where to talk about this like a plane, It would be a plane ride where the inflight movie was good, No smelling gross pasanngers and the inflight food was good. And when coming in for a landing the landing gear breaks and crashs the plane. No one dies but, the only thing you remember about the plane trip is the end when something bad happened.
A plane ride where in the beginning it is said that something bad will happen, and before it happens, it is repeated during hours and hours.
If you listen carefully after the run to the beam you have the answer why joker is running away, and it's here from the original ending!
Are you talking about Coats? He's the only person after the beam run who says anything about forces and he's only referring to the ground forces.
FYI: The definition of satire that I'm working with is basically "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose or criticize other people's stupidity".
Well I certainly feel the devs ridiculed people who didn't like the ending with the Refusal "option"
"Hey, stupid! This is what I think of your opinion! SO BE IT!!!"
The devs didn't "ridicule" anybody.
Sure seemed like it though
Sure seemed like it though
They really didn't, though.
Then someday they really should explain what tthe hell they were thinking and why they believed it was acceptable.
Edit: I so would have loved to have been a fly on teh wall during the postmortem
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