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[DozenMarks]

I am most definitely not immune to bugs, by and large.  My point was referring to the recent surge of no-key issues, of which I've personally not encountered yet (although I've seen others just about as bad as that one).  I was not addressing all bugs, but solely that one, as that seems to be the current 'focus point' of the hate lately, and the issue pointed out in this thread with that direct quote from the developer regarding the issue.  Please, continue to assume that I play the only bug-free copy of the game where nothing has ever gone wrong, though.

 

Also, if a game is not satisfactory for whatever reason, especially bugs and glitches that negatively impact the experience to such a degree as those mostly talked about in this thread, then customers/consumers most definitely have a right to be upset and concerned, and to voice those concerns in turn.  Anger, however, is not necessary, and won't lead to anything more beneficial than being rational, and is likely to cause more long-term harm, both within the community itself and with regards to player/dev relations, than good.

 

I do whole-heartedly agree that developers should be more vocal and communicate more often than they do here, as it would help tremendously overall, but I honestly can't blame them given the circumstances.  Then again, it only takes one dev to become somewhat active and help turn it around, as I've seen before on games that were much worse off than this when they launched, but whether or not they would want to jump into all of the arguments to begin with is another matter entirely which could easily be avoided by mere conduct.  Were you in Andy or Amelia's shoes, would you be willing to insert yourself into all of this?

 

All that said, I believe Yumi is correct.  It doesn't seem like there's going to be too much mutual understanding within the confines of this thread to reach any legitimate solution, and therefore the thread should just fade if no progress is going to be made.

 

I wish you good luck with getting your voice heard.

[Miclotov]

This kind of misunderstanding is precisely why I try to be choosy about when and what to post.  Food for thought.

 

That's a medal with two sides. One side is always how people phrase what they want to express and the other side you have the way recipents interpret what you communicate.

 

Furthermore you will always have people that are ticked off simply because that's how they want to be/act. But that is nothing of your concern. If somebody would ask me, just focus on the constructive critizism/reports and try to work with that. The rest is to be left in the desert. Like some parents just ignore their child if it throws a fit again.

 

Coming from a guy who really doesn't post much I would like a hotfix/patch for the door issue before you guys head out for Christmas and enjoy that. Afterwards you can work on the less annoying issues and on improving the game.

[Storm_Changer]

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To put this in perspective, a few days ago I had a success rate of around 8% in regards to games that were playable vs games that I experienced a game breaking bug in. This was from a sample of around 50 attempts to play games [of which 4 were successful,] and the issues varied from lobby disconnects, game disconnects, game crashes, not spawning in the map, not being able to move, not being able to use abilities or attack, the key glitch and I believe a few other issues too, but those are just the ones that come to memory immediately. I'm not assuming that you're playing a bug free game. I'm simply stating that your focusing your criticism at the surface instead of the root. 

 

I'm glad you agree that consumers have a right to display dissatisfaction. But in the next sentence, your assuming that being angry automatically makes you irrational. That isn't true, as there are many different forms of anger, most of which would not be able to manifest in a forum post at all. Those that articulate their grievances - as long as these grievances are valid and articulated within the guidelines - are fair game. You can be irrational and calm, or rational and angry. As I've also said though, fixing bugs isn't a suggestion to be argued about. It is a necessity - so in this particular instance users are not obligated to provide arguments [reasons] or constructiveness [as most users lack the knowledge to do so in regard to bugs, myself included.] 

 

I'm glad we agree that developer interaction is important. If I was in Andy/Amelia's shoes, I'd be hoping for a community manager to be appointed. Failing that, I'd be asking if the team could make a sticky post explaining the situation fully and giving an ETA on bug fixes + an apology for the game state. After that point, I would then be happier to engage with the community in good faith, because I'd have a point of reference to fall back on in case of negative criticism. But that's just me, and I'm not a developer. I'd hope that's what they're doing - but nobody has provided any evidence that this will be the case or is even on the table. 

 

As I've said, the thread will naturally die if users don't feel like they have anything to add/discuss between themselves or with me. But I make a point to reply to posts in general, so I won't be avoiding my own thread just so it dies. By all means though, I hope your voice is heard to. 

[Shadohz]

Is reading this thread a Weekend Challenge goal? Where's my in-game medal and free chest? 

[Storm_Changer]

Is reading this thread a Weekend Challenge goal? Where's my in-game medal and free chest? 

 

*Passes inquisitor staff* that's your reward, use it wisely. 

[veramis]

Serious bugs and other shortcomings like arthritis-causing PC controls need to be fixed ASAP. I care much less if minor bugs or other issues that are tolerable or can be worked around aren't fixed fast or even fixed at all.

 

And most importantly, any patches or "DLC's" that are game-breaking MUST BE REVERTED ASAP. Bioware left this big piece of smelly turd called Destruction DLC on our doorstep as a Christmas present, and they probably won't fix the key issue until 2015. How many customers are going to decide to click download on this piece of **** and play some DA3MP for their Christmas holidays and get burned?

 

Fine, let's be patient. Let's just remain silent while bioware screws up their half-baked game even more and thousands of gamers get trolled because of bioware's laziness.

[Chromatone]

What I want to see in Multi player:
Proper character sheet or at least some kind of numbers instead of meaningless bars.
Reduced collision, best reason to play stealth rouge is passing though teammates
Better rewards even if it's simply 25% more Gold
PvP? Not possible? To easy to hack?
Ability to rejoin a disconnected game, and a longer mission mode
Armor mod crafting
Ability to pre select you build and auto level through it.
more items, dark spawn in the deep roads, just more content in general but that's a given.

Does anyone remember that multiplayer add on from NWN where you had two teams fighting infinite spawning guys from either side, building up to where you would attack a dragon in the back of the base??? That was the best shiz eeeever!
That would be so epic, even without the pvp part.

I guess it's all a lot to ask for in what is primarily a single player adventure, but honestly the potential of DAmP is so huge it will far put weigh the story campaign in the long run.

[tbxvividos]

Real world analogy of Zane's behavior:

Zane goes to McDonald's and orders a burger and fries.
After a few seconds pass (while the food is being prepared) Zane approaches the associate a second time and says, "hey, I ordered a burger and fries" - fully expecting that by voicing his order a second time he will get his food sooner.
The associate calmly informs Zane that they are preparing his food, and it will be ready when it's ready.
Zane responds by saying, "I ordered a burger and fries" again, expecting that to expediate the process.
Then he turns to all the other customers waiting for food and suggests that they incessantly repeat their orders as well.

[veramis]

Real world analogy of Zane's behavior:

Zane goes to McDonald's and orders a burger and fries.
After a few seconds pass (while the food is being prepared) Zane approaches the associate a second time and says, "hey, I ordered a burger and fries" - fully expecting that by voicing his order a second time he will get his food sooner.
The associate calmly informs Zane that they are preparing his food, and it will be ready when it's ready.
Zane responds by saying, "I ordered a burger and fries" again, expecting that to expediate the process.
Then he turns to all the other customers waiting for food and suggests that they incessantly repeat their orders as well.

 

Your analogy is bad. Let me fix your analogy for you.

 

Zane goes to McDonald's and orders a burger and fries (DA3)

There are bugs in the food (bugs)

He waits one hour for them to make him another meal (one month since release, most bugs not touched)

They hand him a bag of dogsh*t (worse bug than all other da3mp bugs combined)

McDonald's Fanboy: Why you diss McDonaldz?? Gives them time and stop complaining! Be patient be patient be patient!

Zane says he has the right to complain

McDonald's Fanboy: Noooz... lets make posts and bad analogies that puts you in a bad light

[tbxvividos]

Oh cool another exaggerrated post.
I'm not even going to bother responding to the wildly exaggerrated crap you're spewing but I will say that no one ever said that anyone has "no right to complain."
People like that you and Zane are just making that up to try and paint yourselves as martyrs and prove your nonsensical point.
go ahead and complain. In one of the multi-page threads that already exist.
the entire point is that by making a few more new threads every day you aren't helping anything, you're just flooding the forum until the entire front page is multiples of THE EXACT SAME THREAD. Which doesn't help your cause, and isn't relevant to anyone who is actually coming here for "combat strategy" posts.

Go bang your head against the wall for a while and see if it makes you smarter. Because surely it can't damage you any more than you already are.

[Storm_Changer]

Real world analogy of Zane's behavior:

Zane goes to McDonald's and orders a burger and fries.
After a few seconds pass (while the food is being prepared) Zane approaches the associate a second time and says, "hey, I ordered a burger and fries" - fully expecting that by voicing his order a second time he will get his food sooner.
The associate calmly informs Zane that they are preparing his food, and it will be ready when it's ready.
Zane responds by saying, "I ordered a burger and fries" again, expecting that to expediate the process.
Then he turns to all the other customers waiting for food and suggests that they incessantly repeat their orders as well.

 

You literally stalk me across the forums to attack me personally. You should REALLY read the PM I sent you this morning about this. If you have a personal issue with me then speak to me privately. You're making yourself look like a literal fool - as anybody who has read the thread knows your little analogy is utter non-sense. Indeed, if you'd read the thread you'd know that as well. 

 

So unless you have an ACTUAL argument one way or the other to present, rather than ad hominem straw-men, I'd ask that you left me alone and stopped your stalker-ish behavior, period. 

 

P.S. - Also, didn't realize a month is a few seconds. Duly noted, ty for adjusting time itself. 

[Chromatone]

Sooooo aaaaany ways.... No one remembers that multiplayer mode from Never Winter Nights? Like team dragon fortress... I googled and couldn't find anything, quite a long time ago now but it was truly one of the most fun Fast passed online rpg experiences. Dragons need to be in the multiplayer, they did such a good job with them, would be a waste.

[mssux]

It would be good to see what is on their current sprint and their backlog.  That way we would know what's on their radar and being worked on, at least then people here would have an idea that they are attempting to make progress on what is being flagged.  Not sure that would ever happen though.

[Storm_Changer]

It would be good to see what is on their current sprint and their backlog.  That way we would know what's on their radar and being worked on, at least then people here would have an idea that they are attempting to make progress on what is being flagged.  Not sure that would ever happen though.

 

I don't see why it couldn't happen - many devs do it and it clearly wouldn't take too long to do either. The amount of issues a stickied thread on bugs would resolve is mind boggling, almost as mind boggling as the fact that it doesn't exist. We need some kind of proof that after a month they've at least made progress towards fixing the game-breaking bugs. 

[Rolenka]

This kind of misunderstanding is precisely why I try to be choosy about when and what to post.  Food for thought.

 

 

It was obvious to me that you meant some bugs are hard to reproduce.

[DozenMarks]

Fine, let's be patient. Let's just remain silent while bioware screws up their half-baked game even more and thousands of gamers get trolled because of bioware's laziness.

 

I don't remember people saying to "remain silent" about all of the issues.  But there's one way to mention that there are issues with the game, and then there's calling Bioware a bunch of trolls that are lazy.  I whole-heartedly agree that the issues need to be addressed, and I believe that they are, just as I also believe they take time to do so.  You don't just flip a magic switch and the bugs and glitches instantly disappear, and there's a way to voice your concerns that will get more respect from those you're trying to reach, and a greater chance of reply in doing so.

 

Are you going to work harder and talk to customers that come to your job and tell you that you're deliberately trying to ruin their day and too lazy to do anything right?  I highly doubt it.

[Storm_Changer]

I don't remember people saying to "remain silent" about all of the issues.  But there's one way to mention that there are issues with the game, and then there's calling Bioware a bunch of trolls that are lazy.  I whole-heartedly agree that the issues need to be addressed, and I believe that they are, just as I also believe they take time to do so.  You don't just flip a magic switch and the bugs and glitches instantly disappear, and there's a way to voice your concerns that will get more respect from those you're trying to reach, and a greater chance of reply in doing so.

 

Are you going to work harder and talk to customers that come to your job and tell you that you're deliberately trying to ruin their day and too lazy to do anything right?  I highly doubt it.

 

It has been a month though, it's not like no-one has been patient. A month is quite a long time. Since no patch has come out to fix the bugs since launch, I really feel a progress update and being straight forward with us is in order. But then, you already know that. I've repeated it like 15 times at different people.  

[Cyonan]

It has been a month though, it's not like no-one has been patient. A month is quite a long time. Since no patch has come out to fix the bugs since launch, I really feel a progress update and being straight forward with us is in order. But then, you already know that. I've repeated it like 15 times at different people.

 

They actually have released a patch, but they can't fix everything in a month.

[Storm_Changer]

They actually have released a patch, but they can't fix everything in a month.

 

They've done patch 3? First I heard.  Actually going to look for it, here's hoping! 

 

Unless you're referring to patch 2, which didn't fix any of the game-breaking bugs [it DID make connections better for a few days, but then the DLC seems to have messed it up.] 

[Cyonan]

They've done patch 3? First I heard.  Actually going to look for it, here's hoping! 

 

Unless you're referring to patch 2, which didn't fix any of the game-breaking bugs [it DID make connections better for a few days, but then the DLC seems to have messed it up.] 

 

I was referring to patch 2.

 

Keep in mind that it's the "bug fixing team" and not the "Multiplayer bug fixing team" though. SP tends to get priority because it's the main draw of the game. They do mention some crashes in the patch notes, but I never personally encountered any so I can't speak as to if they were fixed or not.

[veramis]

I don't remember people saying to "remain silent" about all of the issues.  But there's one way to mention that there are issues with the game, and then there's calling Bioware a bunch of trolls that are lazy.  I whole-heartedly agree that the issues need to be addressed, and I believe that they are, just as I also believe they take time to do so.  You don't just flip a magic switch and the bugs and glitches instantly disappear, and there's a way to voice your concerns that will get more respect from those you're trying to reach, and a greater chance of reply in doing so.

 

Are you going to work harder and talk to customers that come to your job and tell you that you're deliberately trying to ruin their day and too lazy to do anything right?  I highly doubt it.

 

Revert buggy DLC

 

???

 

Problem solved

 

And this is what bioware is doing:

 

Release buggy DLC and neither rollback the DLC, hotfix the bug, remove the option to download the DLC, nor even warn customers the DLC is buggy

 

???

 

People suffer the consequences

[Cirvante]

They actually have released a patch, but they can't fix everything in a month.

 

That's true, they released a patch that fixed the key glitch among other things. Oh wait ...

[tbxvividos]

It has been a month though, it's not like no-one has been patient. A month is quite a long time. Since no patch has come out to fix the bugs since launch, I really feel a progress update and being straight forward with us is in order. But then, you already know that. I've repeated it like 15 times at different people.

And no matter how many more times you repeat yourself, it's never going to make the patch come any quicker than it would if you just stopped posting.

Derp

[Storm_Changer]

I was referring to patch 2.

 

Keep in mind that it's the "bug fixing team" and not the "Multiplayer bug fixing team" though. SP tends to get priority because it's the main draw of the game. They do mention some crashes in the patch notes, but I never personally encountered any so I can't speak as to if they were fixed or not.

 

I've crashed at around the same rate despite having a high-end computer. Sadly patch 2 didn't fix any launch bugs [MP] [as far as I'm aware] but they did attempt to fix some bugs. Overall though the bugs reported in this forum weren't addressed [bar connections, which was seemingly undone.] 

[Storm_Changer]

And no matter how many more times you repeat yourself, it's never going to make the patch come any quicker than it would if you just stopped posting.

Derp

 

I don't think it will make it any faster. I'm hopeful that the devs are already giving it their all to patch the game. But raising and maintaining awareness has value. You should just face the fact that until the devs decide to update us properly on the issue users like myself will continue discussing it. If that's an issue for you, then by all means just ignore this thread / similar threads.