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[frostajulie]

A wet blanket of boring.

Yes, we exist..the much feared people who like a mostly set protagonist in RPGs. I constantly, see people going on, and on about how their inquiisitor is this this and this, and that's fine, and good for you. But for those of us who like mostly set protagonist, this game felt rather disconnected from the main character..

The warden had their origin story, and other things that made them fine in DAO, but in inquisition it was just meh. No matter what type of response you picked, it was bland and boring. Which was obviously done not to upset people who headcannon.

Hawke, had enough of both ways, but could have, maybe, a little bit more headcannon room for those who like that.

Yes, Im aware its a role playing game. But a role does not nesscarily mean all of us want to think so much about it, some of us just want to get to know a protagonist, and switch them up a little bit not think of the entire thing ourselves. And yes I'm using plurals because i know people who feel the same way, but I'm not saying that the entireity of the world does, or the whole fanebase.

It just felt like the entire game, did not take those of us how like mostly set characters into consideration at all. Hawke I liked because it satisfied me enough that i could enjoy getting to know hawke, but with the inquisitor its like..meh.. who is this person why should I care.

So in DA4 it would be nice, if those of us who mostly don't headcannon could have a more set protagonist, but have enough 'choice' for those who like headcannoning.

Thoughts?

I completely agree of all the things I love about this game my PC is NOT one of them.  Completely emotionally disengaged.  This is a Bioware game and that is just really weak writing on their part.  Its a shame too since the NPC cast is incredible and the voice acting on the inquisitor is amazingly well done.

[Hazegurl]

I agree, I have been able to headcanon a personality for my Inquisitor and I like him, but overall I would have loved to be able to define his personality more through choices and "renegade" options. I do miss snarky Hawke though. I think I would have laughed all the way through Inquisition playing as him. Sadly there is a certain restraint to the Inquisitor that makes no sense to me. You can only kick out one person, when your companions are upset they get to just rant to you and leave without you getting to say much in return. Plus being roped into being a golden boy almost and it's quite easy to end up with a weak looking Inquisitor no matter how you try to play him/her.  The Warden may have been silent (I loved voiced better) but he was never a pushover if I could help it and some of the "I hate you" confrontations from companions were just golden. Like telling an angry Alistair "The Grey Wardens mean nothing to me." or to remark about his sniveling over Duncan. lol!!

[Mr.House]

I agree, I have been able to headcanon a personality for my Inquisitor and I like him, but overall I would have loved to be able to define his personality more through choices and "renegade" options. I do miss snarky Hawke though. I think I would have laughed all the way through Inquisition playing as him. Sadly there is a certain restraint to the Inquisitor that makes no sense to me. You can only kick out one person, when your companions are upset they get to just rant to you and leave without you getting to say much in return. Plus being roped into being a golden boy almost and it's quite easy to end up with a weak looking Inquisitor no matter how you try to play him/her.  The Warden may have been silent (I loved voiced better) but he was never a pushover if I could help it and some of the "I hate you" confrontations from companions were just golden. Like telling an angry Alistair "The Grey Wardens mean nothing to me." or to remark about his sniveling over Duncan. lol!!

Um you can outright punch Dorian and knock him on his ass, which results in him leaving right there.  You can even threaten to have Sera killed if she does not leave SKyhold ect.

 

I don't see how that is a push over.

[Hazegurl]

Um you can outright punch Dorian and knock him on his ass, which results in him leaving right there.  You can even threaten to have Sera killed if she does not leave SKyhold ect.

 

I don't see how that is a push over.

Yeah I know and you can punch Solas. But what I don't get is why you need it to escalate to that before just giving them their walking papers. The only companions I think should be unkickable is Cass and Solas. Everyone else should have walking paper options at any time. Viv, I love her but is a nobody and an Inquisitor who does not like her should be able to kick her out when she resorts to "testing" how far she could go by moving the Inquisitor's furniture.  I shouldn't have to wait until Blackwall's quest to pop up for me to boot him.  Apparently, you can punch out certain companions but heaven forbid if you insult them.

[herkles]

Here is something I am wondering, should da4 go more with an origin apporach with well origin, or should they have it more like how they did the backgrounds in Inquisiton?

[Mr.House]

Yeah I know and you can punch Solas. But what I don't get is why you need it to escalate to that before just giving them their walking papers. The only companions I think should be unkickable is Cass and Solas. Everyone else should have walking paper options at any time. Viv, I love her but is a nobody and an Inquisitor who does not like her should be able to kick her out when she resorts to "testing" how far she could go by moving the Inquisitor's furniture.  I shouldn't have to wait until Blackwall's quest to pop up for me to boot him.  Apparently, you can punch out certain companions but heaven forbid if you insult them.

You can kick Sera out anytime. I'll give you that the other companions but Cass and Solas should have that option(it's strange they do not when Sera does)

 

Also with Blackwall that's not really kicking him out as more you are pretty much killing him.

[Mr.House]

Here is something I am wondering, should da4 go more with an origin apporach with well origin, or should they have it more like how they did the backgrounds in Inquisiton?

As long as it does not return to DA2 I'm fine with either.

[bEVEsthda]

The problems you people have, I have determined, are all because of your avatars. 

 

There is a direct correlation.

[Zjarcal]

Inquisitor lacked personality but the warden was ok? Seems legit.

Both my inquisitor and warden were awesome, it's up to the player to make the protagonist of an RPG interesting or not.

[Vylix]

I remember just one line that gave me any insight into my Inquisitor's personality. I was on my second playthrough, trying out an aggressive Mquisitor, and had the option (during In Your Heart Shall Burn) of choosing an angry-fist line that was supposed to carry the meaning, "i'm not afraid of you!" My (British) Mquisitor opened his mouth and stammered out, "I'm not.. I'm not afraid of you..." and I thought, wow, he's freaking terrified. Considered reloading and choosing a more stoic option, but it was actually the first time in about 13 hours I'd had an actual emotion about my character, and suddenly I felt really protective of him. I wish there were more moments like that. I know people disliked being surprised by what their Hawke said in DA2, but I really enjoyed it. I'm delighted when my character shows flashes of personality beyond my micromanaging control, and when I'm not delighted, I just reload the conversation and choose a different option.

 

Of course, after that scene, I just played for another 10+ hours without anything like that happening again till I triggered a romance. Sigh.

I always found Hawke more predictable than the Inquisitor.

Primarily in Judgements. I loathe doing a new judgement because I have to save before each one as I frequently have no idea what the hell is going to come out of my inquisitor's mouth that isn't suppose to.

 

At least if it was Hawke doing judgements I'd know when the judgement would sound overly harsh, overly nice or hilarious.

 

Although maybe this is because my character has no background. Sure we get like 2-3 dialogue options to establish it a little bit, but its nothing like Origins and the world events don't really give me the feeling of a lot of impact on my character like they did with Hawke (at least my hawke). For example the whole incident with Hawke's mother changed a few viewpoints my canon character had. She had a tendency to be slightly more... stabby with bloodmages. Or with Origins my character's personality was basically decided in the Origin. I didn't need to have a clear picture of what I wanted my character to be like to get into playing the character, and often the events would cause me to get into character headspaces I never would have thought of playing on my first run. I have the horrible habit of trying to be overly nice to everyone in a game because if I dont see why my character shouldn't be nice if she has no reason not to be. The same goes with evil. If i wanted to play an evil character I'd have no reason to be good without being given one. However that city elf background in origins? Oh-ho-man I was a very... 'morally complex' character that game.

 

While I like to headcanon things somewhat, I find it hard to do when my character is so bland. -shrugs- Maybe I can blame that on some weird fade-touched-semi-tranquil-inducing-magic-due-to-the-damned-anchor thing but I'm not exactly sure that's a good explanation.

[Mr.House]

I always found Hawke more predictable than the Inquisitor.

Primarily in Judgements. I loathe doing a new judgement because I have to save before each one as I frequently have no idea what the hell is going to come out of my inquisitor's mouth that isn't suppose to.

 

At least if it was Hawke doing judgements I'd know when the judgement would sound overly harsh, overly nice or hilarious.

 

Although maybe this is because my character has no background. Sure we get like 2-3 dialogue options to establish it a little bit, but its nothing like Origins and the world events don't really give me the feeling of a lot of impact on my character like they did with Hawke (at least my hawke). For example the whole incident with Hawke's mother changed a few viewpoints my canon character had. She had a tendency to be slightly more... stabby with bloodmages. Or with Origins my character's personality was basically decided in the Origin. I didn't need to have a clear picture of what I wanted my character to be like to get into playing the character, and often the events would cause me to get into character headspaces I never would have thought of playing on my first run. I have the horrible habit of trying to be overly nice to everyone in a game because if I dont see why my character shouldn't be nice if she has no reason not to be. The same goes with evil. If i wanted to play an evil character I'd have no reason to be good without being given one. However that city elf background in origins? Oh-ho-man I was a very... 'morally complex' character that game.

 

While I like to headcanon things somewhat, I find it hard to do when my character is so bland. -shrugs- Maybe I can blame that on some weird fade-touched-semi-tranquil-inducing-magic-due-to-the-damned-anchor thing but I'm not exactly sure that's a good explanation.

Sounds like a personal problem really. 

[KaiserShep]

Inquisitor lacked personality but the warden was ok? Seems legit.

 

It's pretty ironic. The Warden has the least personality in that the most reaction the character ever exhibits that is beyond player control is a slight change in facial expression during certain scenes, beyond whatever it is you imagined this character to be like. I couldn't even have my Warden shake her head and keep walking when Wynne keeled over! XD

[Maverick827]

It's pretty ironic. The Warden has the least personality in that the most reaction the character ever exhibits that is beyond player control is a slight change in facial expression during certain scenes, beyond whatever it is you imagined this character to be like. I couldn't even have my Warden shake her head and keep walking when Wynne keeled over! XD

 

The Warden had more personality than Hawke, the Inquisitor, and Shepard combined.  He/she just couldn't express it visually.  Hawke and Shepard had a pretty good balance of personality/visual expression.  The Inquisitor doesn't really have much of either, sadly.

[KaiserShep]

I must've slipped into some other dimension, where Duke Nukem is the greatest quadrilogy of all time and hamburgers eat people.

[AWTEW]

Frankly, to be brutal about it, I don't think Bioware should cater to people wanting a traditional jrpg - westernized culture and aesthetics, or not - at all.

Sigh, lets not attack the JRpg players. They are just as valid customers as anyone else, and I don t exactly see them asking to turn it into Final fantasy. 

Inquisitor lacked personality but the warden was ok? Seems legit.Both my inquisitor and warden were awesome, it's up to the player to make the protagonist of an RPG interesting or not.

See, thats the thing. and I tried to point this out Originally.. Not everyone can play like that, you can imagine all this cool stuff for the inquisitor and thats cool, but not everyone else can. After reading some of the responses in this thread, it also seems like some people who head-cannon had problems too . To qoute a previous poster 'They need more bones to work with'.

I don't nesscasirly blame the V.A either, they would have been given direction on how to 'act things'. I would not be surprised if they were asked to 'keep it neautral in their acting'. I was not the biggest fan of MHawke, but give me a 130 hours with him anyday, over the inquisitor.

I just want to stress, that it's not about wanting a fully set protagonist, but something more balanced and closer to Hawke. Someone who has intresting personalites, and being able to direct those personalites, but not to the point where its an almost blank state of bordum.

[Mr.House]

The Warden had more personality than Hawke, the Inquisitor, and Shepard combined.  He/she just couldn't express it visually.  Hawke and Shepard had a pretty good balance of personality/visual expression.  The Inquisitor doesn't really have much of either, sadly.

In your opinion sure.

[prosthetic soul]

I recall Shepard being accused of this very same thing.

Yeah but unlike Shepard, I sincerely doubt Inquisitor will get his own trilogy that increases his character attachment and then have it all come crashing down in a catastrophic meltdown of an ending that I will probably end up still cursing on my death bed. 

 

...And now I just made myself sad.  Please excuse me. 

[KaiserShep]

Yeah but unlike Shepard, I sincerely doubt Inquisitor will get his own trilogy that increases his character attachment and then have it all come crashing down in a catastrophic meltdown of an ending that I will probably end up still cursing on my death bed. 

 

...And now I just made myself sad.  Please excuse me. 

 

The Inquisitor was right to bow out on a better note.

[prosthetic soul]

Wait, you can punch Dorian but not Vivienne and/or Sera? 

 

BioWare I am disappoint. 

[berrieh]

I had kind of the opposite problem. mShep was fine but I found fShep overacted most of the time. Good for when she was pissed off renegade, but as a paragon she came acrosss as lacking warmth and empathy.

 

I loved my Paragon fShep and found she reacted mainly like I wanted her to, but everyone is entitled to their own view. I didn't think she was lacking in empathy at all. 

 

Yeah I know and you can punch Solas. But what I don't get is why you need it to escalate to that before just giving them their walking papers. The only companions I think should be unkickable is Cass and Solas. Everyone else should have walking paper options at any time. Viv, I love her but is a nobody and an Inquisitor who does not like her should be able to kick her out when she resorts to "testing" how far she could go by moving the Inquisitor's furniture.  I shouldn't have to wait until Blackwall's quest to pop up for me to boot him.  Apparently, you can punch out certain companions but heaven forbid if you insult them.

 

But you can just not invite Viv to the Inquisition in the first place if you don't like her deal. Very easily. You can turn her down immediately. I wouldn't call her "nobody" either. 

[prosthetic soul]

I loved my Paragon fShep and found she reacted mainly like I wanted her to, but everyone is entitled to their own view. I didn't think she was lacking in empathy at all. 

 

 

But you can just not invite Viv to the Inquisition in the first place if you don't like her deal. Very easily. You can turn her down immediately. I wouldn't call her "nobody" either. 

You should be able to do more though.  In KOTOR, you could freaking order the wookie to kill that blue chick (I can't remember their names it's been so long).  THEY WERE BEST BUDS AND YOU COULD HAVE HIM KILL HER.  It was so deliciously evil! 

[Hazegurl]

But you can just not invite Viv to the Inquisition in the first place if you don't like her deal. Very easily. You can turn her down immediately. I wouldn't call her "nobody" either. 

But that's just metagaming. Once you have her in your group she can treat you any sort of way and for some strange reason you can't just give her the boot and tell her off. Like I said, I do like her, I made her Divine. But face it, she has nothing to offer during the entire game and is a nobody until she becomes divine. I see no reason why an Inquisitor who does not like her can't just call her out on needing you more than you need her and give her the boot.

[Maverick827]

In your opinion sure.

 

I believe there is a factual argument to be made regarding the lack of player character choice (and thus, personality crafting) in Inquisition compared to all other BioWare games.  I don't feel like making the argument right now, so yes, I merely posted it as my opinion.

[bEVEsthda]

Sigh, lets not attack the JRpg players. They are just as valid customers as anyone else, and I don t exactly see them asking to turn it into Final fantasy.  

 

It's not an attack on jrpg players.

 

And, excuse me, but you are  asking for a jrpg. Even if you're not asking for FF.

You're asking for watching a character. A character written and acted by someone else. You're asking for the game's creators to provide your protagonist's personality. That's a jrpg.

[Gaz83]

Always go with voice two for a male human. The first one is too... I almost want to say too British, but that would be absurd given that I'm from England myself. It's more like a Hollywood idea of a British stereotype. You're medieval James Bond, minus the charm, booze and STDs.