See I'm not sure why that's not there for everyone though. As it is if you dare recruit most people you have to wait til you completely ****** them off for them to leave.
I'm not sure why either. The one and only companion who really would have good reason to flat out refuse to leave is Cassandra. It's extremely rare that I'd kick out a companion. Thus far the only one I've ever done, and likely the only one that I ever will in my timeline is Anders.
I'm not sure why either. The one and only companion who really would have good reason to flat out refuse to leave is Cassandra. In any case, it doesn't matter. It's extremely rare that I'd kick out a companion. Thus far the only one I've ever done, and likely the only one that I ever will in my timeline is Anders.
Yeah it kind of blows.
Well I'd want to kick some of them out. Just ot know I was able too.
I kick plenty of people XD I wish I could've kicked Merrill out.
Where did I ever make this out to be about player agency?? My opinion on Sera's behavior isn't about player agency. It is about the fact that you are never allowed to disagree with her without her belittling you, outright shouting at you, or treating you like crap. (And the Inquisitor's responses aren't always perfect either, but rarely am I ever 'having a go' at Sera, which is what she always assumes in most circumstances.) My problem with Sera is her toxic personality. Let's take another example Solas has his own set of issues--some of which do not get resolved, but at least he will come around and admit that he was wrong in his judgement about the Dalish. My problem with Sera is primarily that she never changes. My problem is that there's no calling her out on her ****--which is something I trust my friends to do for me. There's no conflict(apart from just butting heads with the Inquisitor), growth, or resolution. She comes along, ostensibly to see if there is any truth to her faith, but she ultimately dismisses or rejects anything that challenges her worldview. There's not much point in going on a journey of discovery if you're just going to reject everything that doesn't fit into a certain box.
My problem with Sera is not that I can't "change" her, it's that I can't support her in her supposed journey of self-discovery and that the game's narrative actively shields her from change or compromise.
Also I never said the PC should be unfixed or immutable in their positions? One of the more interesting aspects of the DA games for me is that the protagonist CAN change. I adore that. You don't have to be a person set in stone. Your beliefs are allowed to change to reflect new information (re: Mythal or finding out the truth about what happened at the Conclave).
Also, I said that it was the manner in which the breakup happened that bothers me, not the fact that Sera is the one to break it off. It's how she does it. If she had just said "I can't make this work" or "I think we're too different" after the PC affirms their beliefs--rather than asking the PC to discard those beliefs--I would be totally fine with how the breakup happened.
I didn't want to touch the rest of your post because it was gross and victim blaming and ignores the experiences of those who are abuse survivors and are reminded of their experiences by Sera. Besides, when you enter the relationship with her, there at least seems to be a tentative understanding of "We'll see if this works out." And part of that understanding--to me--implies "I will respect your right to have your own beliefs even if they don't match with my own."
The PC never demands Sera to believe in what happened at Mythal. They never demand that she change for them. The PC is allowed to respect Sera's opinions and belief system, but Sera apparently cannot do the same. They break up because Sera can't handle the PC believing in it. She refuses to allow even the shred of possibility that the two belief systems can coexist.
Even as a "Friend" that scene left a bad taste in my mouth. She calls me stupid because I do not believe the same thing she does. I never asked her to alter her belief system for me, all I want from Sera is the ability to disagree and have her respect the fact that I have a different opinion from her. Fullstop.
Yeah it kind of blows.
Well I'd want to kick some of them out. Just ot know I was able too.
I kick plenty of people XD I wish I could've kicked Merrill out.
So if you turn down Merrill's request to come visit her sometime in the alienage, is she still available as a team member? I've never refused her before so I'm not sure. It would make sense, since her plot relevance ended at Sundermount. I know that Aveline is unavailable if you never visit her again, and even Isabela will not be available in Act 3, even if you didn't hand her over to the Arishok, until you speak to her again in the Hanged Man.
So if you turn down Merrill's request to come visit her sometime in the alienage, is she still available as a team member? I've never refused her before so I'm not sure. It would make sense, since her plot relevance ended at Sundermount.
She is.
And it's absurd you can't kick her out because she isn't plot relevant after Sundermount whatsoever.
Huh. I'd probably kick everyone out if it meant being able to keep Bethany for the entirety of Acts 2 and 3.
this makes me remember just how american the old fanta tv ad's were which makes me also remember the sprite ad's
which were hilarious as they always had basketballers in them and in australia at the time nobody knew who the hell any of them were.
this made Grant Hill more famous than O'neil or Jordan at the time. 
Huh. I'd probably kick everyone out if it meant being able to keep Bethany for the entirety of Acts 2 and 3.
XD
I really do wish you could've kept the sibling longer.
Also I found it ridiculous you can reject Fenris no less than three times before recruiting him but with Isabela if you do her mission she's locked in. Why on earth can't I reject her after finishing her mission like Fenris?
this makes me remember just how american the old fanta tv ad's were which makes me also remember the sprite ad's
which were hilarious as they always had basketballers in them and in australia at the time nobody knew who the hell any of them were.
this made Grant Hill more famous than O'neil or Jordan at the time.
I remember thr Irn Bru ads taking the mick. but not as funny as me thinking you said Grange Hill.
Yeah it kind of blows.
Well I'd want to kick some of them out. Just ot know I was able too.
I kick plenty of people XD I wish I could've kicked Merrill out.
Considering Inquisition's ties to the Dalish and Orlesian elves, as well as the Eluvians, I think Merrill was in the wrong game. I think her research into the Eluvians and her background with the People would have been more interesting in this storyline, particularly given how the main character can be elven and actually understand the plight of the People that motivates her. It also would have have been nice to have an elven love interest for a male Lavellan, and a companion who starts out as pro-Dalish.
Considering Inquisition's ties to the Dalish and Orlesian elves, as well as the Eluvian, I think Merrill was in the wrong game. I think her research into the Eluvians and her background with the People would have been more interesting in this storyline, particularly given how the main character can be elven and actually understand the plight of the People that motivates her. It also would have have been nice to have an elven love interest, and a companion who starts out as pro-Dalish.
Yeah it would've been interesting to see.
What is with some of these comments? People can be stupid without having disabilities. Mental retardation is an actually serious condition and unless you want to say most of the world is disabled then please cut that **** out. ?_?.
Sera is stupid and unintelligent but other than that she can function normally.
I don't see what Sera says as abuse, mostly because I can liken it to the choice of someone in a relationship wanting children and the other one not wanting it and breaking up due to it.
Some people say she shows legit signs of... I don't know what, I didn't pay attention. But it's possible they wrote her with a mental illness in mind. They've said flat out that Anders was written as having a mental illness in DA2.
Why did YOU enter a relationship when the first thing out of her mouth about you was that she hoped you weren't "too elfy"? Also, let's be honest, you're putting a lot of responsibility on Sera for a decision that was ultimately yours as the inquisitor.
Also the last part made me laugh, because that's exactly what you're doing. You're entering into a romance with, having sex with, and tossing that person to the curb for views you knew they had. Was it really that unforseen that the character that dislikes dalish culture to that extent would demand her lover renounce it?
The more I learn about this, the bigger fan I am of Sera and whoever wrote her. It takes a gift to get people this bothered.
You seem confused about things. Don't worry, that's completely normal for a Sera fan. So anyway, no, Sera is the one "tossing the other person to the curb." Not the other way around. An Inquisitor that has fantastically bad taste in women and is romancing Sera is not asking Sera to give up her beliefs, she is asking them to give up theirs. So no. Also, stop being wrong.
emotional blackmail
Kudos for using the correct term for Sera's awfulness.
I kick plenty of people XD I wish I could've kicked Merrill out.
As one of the most pro-mage/anti-circle people, I'd have given Merrill to the templars in a heartbeat if I could. That idiot is a bloody menace. She's the posterchild for the Circle system. A complete and utter idiot that doesn't listen to anyone about what is and isn't safe. She's lucky she didn't open a portal to the Black City in Kirkwall with that goddamn mirror.
I'm not attacking you OP I simply want a clarification on your following opinion:
Not to mention the fact (and I may be wrong here but it's just my opinion) that due to the way Sera acts around most people and talks it hints at a character with mental disabilities.
Care to clarify your statement? What actions hint at mental disabilities and what are they exactly (since you know, there are many types of disabilities)?
Anyways this time around I decided that I'd go for it and romance everyone most hated character Sera.
I highly doubt she is "everyones" most hated character. I for one do not hate her.
I remember thr Irn Bru ads taking the mick.
lol i had to google that. seems super british.
Considering Inquisition's ties to the Dalish and Orlesian elves, as well as the Eluvians, I think Merrill was in the wrong game. I think her research into the Eluvians and her background with the People would have been more interesting in this storyline, particularly given how the main character can be elven and actually understand the plight of the People that motivates her. It also would have have been nice to have an elven love interest for a male Lavellan, and a companion who starts out as pro-Dalish.
How is none of that player agency. Player agency is, after all, you being able to do all the things you mention, and more, right? Is this going to be another "redefine established terms/concepts so I can make a valid argument" thing? It is, after all, quite common here.
How is that, exactly? A person spends the entire relationship establishing their position on really important matters, breaks it off when those boundaries are breached, even tries to dissuade you from it, and yet, in order to get the break up, you throw them right back in her face, but she's not the victim? That's typical rationalization right there, isn't it? "I blame her for sticking to what she believes, even though it's not her issue, but mine". It is, at the end of the day, your issue. She doesn't blindside you with that position. You can start to see how she reacts to "eflyness" in your first dialog with her: "It's nice to talk with another Elf" results in Sera Slightly Disapproves. Did you think that was a bug because she has pointy ears? It also, by default, implies that it won't. So the only acceptable outcome is it will?
Don't they? In order to get the break up, you have to persist. If you don't see trying to make her look at it as a possibility as changing her beliefs, what is it then? Andrastianism teaches that there's one God, the Maker. You're telling her she needs to disregard that in order to consider another possibility, and, to top it off, the Elfy possibility. How is that not trying to affect what she believes? You are essentially telling her that Andrastianism is wrong, since "Looky, Elven Gods are real too".
One detail from the mortal-made Chantry does not render the entire belief system defunct. Mother Giselle will readily admit to the player that the Chant is definitely flawed, not absolute, and all too-often a product of politics. But we don't get to say any of this to Sera. We don't get to say that "Maybe you were lied to because the early cult of Andraste or the fledgling Chantry needed to legitimize itself by discrediting other belief systems." Or say "how can you know that the Maker is the one and only god why are they exclusive? If one exists why not the other?" Like, there's no option to reassure her that they aren't mutually exclusive and she even says she doesn't want to try to reconcile the two.
And she's not the victim if she's the one giving the ultimatum oh my god.
The only thing I want from Sera is for her to respect the fact that the PC (or other people in general) might have a different belief system. I hardly see "have a little tolerance or at least respect the fact that we disagree about this" asking her to change her entire worldview. I'm not asking her to believe. I'm asking her to respect the fact that alternate explanations of the world exist and they may or may not be contradictory to her own. (Or that maybe the truth isn't so simple.) I'm asking her to not call my own beliefs stupid just because they aren't the same as hers.
IG Quote from Sera:
"I hate learning lessons, makes my stomach hurt."
Bettering yourself as a person, growing, and changing is hard. It's hard for everyone, and I do not find it a virtue to actively avoid growth. It's a big reason as to why Sera is so detestable to me.
This is the last clarification I'm going to make on this point, however, because I can see that this conversation isn't going anywhere productive.
Some people say she shows legit signs of... I don't know what, I didn't pay attention. But it's possible they wrote her with a mental illness in mind. They've said flat out that Anders was written as having a mental illness in DA2.
The difference is that Anders clearly has a Jekyll/Hyde/Banner/Hulk duality about him, and can become an entirely different entity when he can no longer control his emotions, and will do things against his own will.
Honestly, the only thing I could describe as kinda crazy is what seems to be a surge of pleasure when killing dragons, but then Bull lies further on the spectrum than she does.
One detail from the mortal-made Chantry does not render the entire belief system defunct. Mother Giselle will readily admit to the player that the Chant is definitely flawed, not absolute, and all too-often a product of politics. But we don't get to say any of this to Sera. We don't get to say that "Maybe you were lied to because the early cult of Andraste or the fledgling Chantry needed to legitimize itself by discrediting other belief systems." Or say "how can you know that the Maker is the one and only god why are they exclusive? If one exists why not the other?" Like, there's no option to reassure her that they aren't mutually exclusive and she even says she doesn't want to try to reconcile the two.
And she's not the victim if she's the one giving the ultimatum oh my god.
The only thing I want from Sera is for her to respect the fact that the PC (or other people in general) might have a different belief system. I hardly see "have a little tolerance or at least respect the fact that we disagree about this" asking her to change her entire worldview. I'm not asking her to believe. I'm asking her to respect the fact that alternate explanations of the world exist and they may or may not be contradictory to her own. (Or that maybe the truth isn't so simple.) I'm asking her to not call my own beliefs stupid just because they aren't the same as hers.
IG Quote from Sera:
"I hate learning lessons, makes my stomach hurt."
Bettering yourself as a person, growing, and changing is hard. It's hard for everyone, and I do not find it a virtue to actively avoid growth. It's a big reason as to why Sera is so detestable to me.
This is the last clarification I'm going to make on this point, however, because I can see that this conversation isn't going anywhere productive.
People saying sera has ADHD or mental disabilities seem to have their diagnosis' crossed up, if she should be classified as anything it would be bi-polar. I don't really think she's any of these things but bi-polar is the closest. I think she's just childish, she never had real parents or siblings and obviously had poor taste in friends, all that leads to a selfish self loathing brat, aka sera.
or just crazy.
obviously had poor taste in friends
This is kinda funny, since the only potential friend we can observe in the game is the Inquisitor XD
This is kinda funny, since the only potential friend we can observe in the game is the Inquisitor XD
This is kinda funny, since the only potential friend we can observe in the game is the Inquisitor XD
Just because we don't meet her merry band of thieves doesn't mean we don't know what they're about.
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