Irony: She doesn't know who they are either, except that one guy that that Noble kills, but she doesn't know him any more either, since dead now sort of eliminates the possibility of being friends.
Just because we don't meet her merry band of thieves doesn't mean we don't know what they're about.
No one knows anything for certain; one merely assumes.
No one knows anything for certain; one merely assumes.
Twist it however you want, she didn't get into that lifestyle on her own. Just because you may like her doesn't make anything I said less true.
So enlighten me, how does it work? I mean, she explains it in game, surely you know, right?
Do tell, though, what am I twisting?
A thief, regardless of intentions is still a thief. That's not an assumption but a universal truth.
This doesn't say much of anything about the people from her past. No matter how anyone cares to slice it, they simply never existed to the Inquisitor thus anything we consider about her taste in people in general is all an assumption. We can, however, judge based on what she approves or disapproves of in general on the part of the Inquisitor's character, and the Inquisitor doesn't actually have to be a thief to be her friend.
But I guess it doesn't matter in the end. Leliana had considerably poor taste in friends too, and she got past that eventually.
This doesn't say much of anything about the people from her past. No matter how anyone cares to slice it, they simply never existed to the Inquisitor thus anything we consider about her taste in people in general is all an assumption. We can, however, judge based on what she approves or disapproves of in general on the part of the Inquisitor's character, and the Inquisitor doesn't actually have to be a thief to be her friend.
But I guess it doesn't matter in the end. Leliana had considerably poor taste in friends too, and she got past that eventually.
*reads thread*
As if I needed one more reason to despise Sera. Wilful ignorance and intolerance, what a delightful set of character traits.
There's nothing wrong with her being written that way - all too many people, sadly, are like that - but we should be able to call her out on it.
Edit:
"Abusive" is the wrong term. She's not necessarily abusing her power in the relationship for its own sake or self-gratification. She rather appears genuinely intolerant. Not that that makes it better.
I didnt knew about that belief thing, but if it happens as you say it does, it is a pretty abusive thing.
Just take to the real world, you're seeing someone, you really like that person, but he/she turnes to you and say: "Hey, if we are to continue doing this thing, you have to abandon that whole christian thing."
Its almost the definition of abuse. Someone using the power they have over you to force you to do something.
About the whole mentally ill thing, nah shes not.
I was thinking more on the lines of: "Why are you doing this to me, you arsehole?"So someone's response to your hypothetical should be what "I don't believe in the things you're going on about, but Preach it Brother, my beliefs don't matter"?
So someone's response to your hypothetical should be what "I don't believe in the things you're going on about, but Preach it Brother, my beliefs don't matter"?
It was not about preaching it, but about believing it in the first place.
Yeah, for many people it's a pretty big deal. That's their choice, but don't expect others to be appreciative of their intolerance. If someone presented me that kind of ultimatum, I would immediately end the relationship, and that regardless of whether my faith, or lack thereof, was something I was prepared to change, but simply because I don't want to be with be a person who would demand that of me.
In a game, I would like to have the option: "f*ck off and good riddance, then".
Totally read this thread just because of the topic.
But the way I see it, relationships are contracts. Everyone has their own personal views of the world. Everyone has the things that mean more to them than other things. Everyone has things that are deal breakers for them in a relationship. So is it fair to tell someone that they need to give up their religion to be with you. Absolutely. But it's also just as fair for them to reject that ultimatum. To some people religion is very important. To others, their resentment of all things religion is very important. Can two people with very strong, yet conflicting views just of the same issue be together while keeping that issue in the background of their relationship? Possibly, but it's very unlikely.
So relationships are contracts where both parties agree to accept everything about each other. And if there are things that they just can't accept, the contract shouldn't be signed. On the flip side, if only one of them had a very strong belief about something, and the other was basically indifferent, then asking the other side to concede might not be out of the question. It's just a matter of what's more important. There's nothing wrong with asking someone to choose between you and something else if it's really important to you and you're prepared to draw the losing card over it.
Thank you, and sorry, other person, for not putting it as clear as this.It was not about preaching it, but about believing it in the first place.
Yeah, for many people it's a pretty big deal. That's their choice, but don't expect others to be appreciative of their intolerance. If someone presented me that kind of ultimatum, I would immediately end the relationship, and that regardless of whether my faith, or lack thereof, was something I was prepared to change, but simply because I don't want to with be a person who would demand that of me.
the thing I wonder is why is sera an elf and not a human?
It was not about preaching it, but about believing it in the first place.
Yeah, for many people it's a pretty big deal. That's their choice, but don't expect others to be appreciative of their intolerance. If someone presented me that kind of ultimatum, I would immediately end the relationship, and that regardless of whether my faith, or lack thereof, was something I was prepared to change, but simply because I don't want to be with be a person who would demand that of me.
In a game, I would like to have the option: "f*ck off and good riddance, then".
You do. You can kick her from the party any time you like.
Not the same thing. This conflict is personal, but the Inquisition is - or should be - bigger than your personal disagreements. What kind of options do you have when this problem comes up in the romance? When Solas dumps you about five seconds after telling you how much you mean to him, you can be pretty angry.
LOL, it just occurred to me that the female Dalish Inquisitor got a sh*tty deal in her romances with people of her own race.
Not the same thing. This conflict is personal, but the Inquisition is - or should be - bigger than your personal disagreements. What kind of options do you have when this problem comes up in the romance? When Solas dumps you about five seconds after telling you how much you mean to him, you can be pretty angry.
the thing I wonder is why is sera an elf and not a human?
because she's a flat ear. which is a thing now.
the thing I wonder is why is sera an elf and not a human?
lol that's like asking why Samuel L Jackson's character on Django is black and not white. 
Sera is lovely, my Qunari romanced her.
Sera has clearly had a difficult time of it,
despises nobility, power and anyone too 'elfy'...
Some romances work (my Qunari did).
My Dalish Elf inquisitor tried to romance Sera too but it was just too hard to make it work for them.
The pitfalls of romance...
A thief, regardless of intentions is still a thief. That's not an assumption but a universal truth.
OK hold on a second you work whith an Assasan a Spy a second Spy from a Totalatarion Religion. a Polititian who wants to rebild a prison for people who just might do some thing a dwarf who has shady dealings a child murderer an Apostate mage who is up to something and a Slave owner...but its the prankster thief who rubbs you the wrong way?
OK hold on a second you work whith an Assasan a Spy a second Spy from a Totalatarion Religion. a Polititian who wants to rebild a prison for people who just might do some thing a dwarf who has shady dealings a child murderer an Apostate mage who is up to something and a Slave owner...but its the prankster thief who rubbs you the wrong way?
Are people really counting that masked fool in Val Royeaux? He wasn't even trying to reason with you. He was just blathering on about how important he was and how he was your enemy or some such nonsense.
Are people really counting that masked fool in Val Royeaux? He wasn't even trying to reason with you. He was just blathering on about how important he was and how he was your enemy or some such nonsense.
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