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#151
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In fairness, it was either PTSD or indoctrination, and we all know how the latter turns out.
 
What, a bunch of mouthbreathers go around lying about how BW claimed they officially sided with them?
 
No, it is not PTSD.  I'm not saying "I don't think it's PTSD", I'm saying IT'S NOT PTSD.  You have to such an incredibly misunderstanding of PTSD that they should be legally banned from discussing the topic.  Judges should literally be handing down edicts saying "I'm sorry, but you're too stupid to have a voice on this.  Please stop talking."  But you know who does understand what PTSD is?  Mass Effect's writing team, who perfectly showed the effects of REAL PTSD with Kelly Chambers and that asari you overhear in counselling on the Citadel.  Remember how they desperately, psychotically wanted to avoid the enviorments that led to their traumas?  Remember the time Shepard tried to avoid going back to a Reaper-filled Earth?  WHAT?  YOU DON'T?  Holy crap, maybe there's more to PTSD than just running around dark forests!

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I'm just glad that none of the DA protagonists have really had to deal with this kind of crap without some lore-friendly reason.



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What, a bunch of mouthbreathers go around lying about how BW claimed they officially sided with them?
 
No, it is not PTSD.  I'm not saying "I don't think it's PTSD", I'm saying IT'S NOT PTSD.  You have to such an incredibly misunderstanding of PTSD that they should be legally banned from discussing the topic.  Judges should literally be handing down edicts saying "I'm sorry, but you're too stupid to have a voice on this.  Please stop talking."  But you know who does understand what PTSD is?  Mass Effect's writing team, who perfectly showed the effects of REAL PTSD with Kelly Chambers and that asari you overhear in counselling on the Citadel.  Remember how they desperately, psychotically wanted to avoid the enviorments that led to their traumas?  Remember the time Shepard tried to avoid going back to a Reaper-filled Earth?  WHAT?  YOU DON'T?  Holy crap, maybe there's more to PTSD than just running around dark forests!

 

How dare you say that I got ptsd from your post.

 

nah your absolutely correct.

its this

https://www.youtube....h?v=XK-PgXkmWMs

http://www.helpguide...ss-disorder.htm

not this

https://www.youtube....h?v=Cyjhbepx1Go

the nightmare is more likely shepard trying to work out information and her mind trying to translate some residual Promethian information.



#154
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True that does make Sera more unique in terms of sanity, but senseless slaughter is still senseless. You don't actually see anything her "people" do for you whereas that noble could have provided alot more in terms of troops, gold, influence etc...where as all Sera's people provide are targets for whoever "keeps them down". As a leader of a military organization it's good to be on good terms with both nobility and the non-nobles.


Yeah, I'm still waiting for my bees, or the juicy blackmail evidence Josie can get from Drop and Grab. Overall, we see more gain in the political and practical aspects from Sera's missions than we do from Varric's missions on the board. For a while, on my first run, I was feeling like Varric had become Liara 2.0.
 
 

Even if they didn't put in a major impact to her choice, what if they did? What if her beating this guy to death turned half of the nobles paying for your armies against you? This noble could have provided military trained troops, gold and scout reports, whereas Sera's "people" only provide intel on what nobles are doing what to certain slaves and low class people.


So your biggest peeve was that you were only helping "low class people"? Evidently you ignored the other missions, such as the one that has multiple tiers with the smugglers that were moving Red Lyrium. Courtesy of Red Jenny.
 

As leader of the inquisition I'm not worried about if slave #1 from some noble hundreds of miles away is getting whipped because he dropped some cheese, I'd be more worried about "Okay this Noble's lands are between me and the enemy, do I want to anger him and have him let my enemy march through his lands or do I want to play nice so I have a buffer between me and my enemy?"


Really? As leader of the Inquisition, I'm worried about everyone I'm trying to save. I'm not trying to save just the Nobles who helped me out, I'm trying to save the world. However, if you exhibited this much indifference to the "low class people" with your Inquisitor, I'm surprised Sera would even talk to you. That's the thing about "her" network, they aren't inserted into these places to gather information, they're already there, and already invisible to the Nobles, and it's not like we didn't have Nobles that were already working for Cory.
 

Personally unless Sera's "people" are all combat trained super spies providing real intel I'd much rather prefer working with a noble who can actually provide my armies with the things I need, instead of making sure some random person is getting their "revenge" on a guy that made him a "wiper".


Then why did you keep her around in the first place, or even recruit her? You are not required to recruit her, and once you do, you're not required to keep her. Considering your professed disregard for anyone that's not nobility, a valid choice for an Inquisitor, to be sure, recruiting her or keeping her once you learn how Red Jenny works smacks of, at the very least, self inflicted angst. Some of her missions provide you with juicy tidbits you can use against Nobles that aren't already actively working against you. If you're going to tell me that your Inquisitor isn't into that, I'm going to point out that your Inquisitor doesn't handle the dealings with the Nobility 95% of the time, that's Josie's job, and if you think she's above such tactics, you really haven't been reading the mission statements before you send your advisors out on missions.

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Much anger this thread has


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I'm not attacking you OP I simply want a clarification on your following opinion:

 

 

Care to clarify your statement? What actions hint at mental disabilities and what are they exactly (since you know, there are many types of disabilities)?

 

 

I highly doubt she is "everyones" most hated character. I for one do not hate her.

Because I have ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder) and she shares a lot of traits that I have, she hates change, gets upset very easy, doesn't understand something things as well as others and she doesn't think before she speaks.



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I wonder why doesn't sera seem to care about the city elves? The city elves in Orlais and Fereldan are oppressed far worse then some of the other lower class humans. The elves of Orlais in particular are far worse then humans. Yet she doesn't seem to care at all about their oppression.



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I think so too. This forum's way too serious. Makes me want to push a mercenary out a window of a really tall building.

 

To be fair, I'm sure the ground broke his fall.

 

 

In any case, the top left option (provided you have the nobility perk) allows you to bypass this and take over his land and title and he basically works for you now. The guy takes it pretty well, since he was convinced that he was going to die otherwise.

 
I like that option; I thought the way they did extended dialogue options in DAI was very good.
 
 

Sera is more Antithiest.

 
I tend to describe that as Evangelical Atheism because it bugs ... people.  ;)
 
That whole first discussion post Cory <somethingsomething> seat ".. and a seat needs a butt, so the Maker ... real?"
Maybe a lot of what's going on with her is all the 'gods' turning out be real.
 
Also, I'm pleased stopping her pranks wasn't a dealbreaker ... not even a 'greatly disapproves', just a regular one.
 


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Because I have ASD (Autistic Spectrum Disorder) and she shares a lot of traits that I have, she hates change, gets upset very easy, doesn't understand something things as well as others and she doesn't think before she speaks.


So now we've given a medical term to being a typical human. Everyone wants a title I guess
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I think so too. This forum's way too serious. Makes me want to push a mercenary out a window of a really tall building.

you do that too?

Councel stopped sending window cleaners round to my house.



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My biggest complaint with Sera was that she wasn't a romance option for a male inquisitor. Crazy chicks are the best of course. Having just Cassandra and Josie seems a bit too boring for my inquisitor's freaky side.

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Uh yeah no sorry. Definitely not abuse, there's no coercion, no blackmail, no physical, mental or emotional violence. Ultimatum and a shitty, shitty thing to do to someone, especially someone you claim to care for, but it's not abuse. That's ridiculous.


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Honestly? I don't see the big deal in either direction, but then, I don't care what anyone thinks.


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Here is my thing... why on earth do I keep seeing all these people that expect the romances to just all be about unconditional love? Relationships are complicated, people do and say stupid things just as often as wonderful things, sometimes those things are hurtful, sometimes they are ignorant, sometimes they are loving.

 

Sera is her own elf, she is allowed to believe whatever she wants, and she is allowed to decide for herself (however ignorant I personally believe it is) if she wants to live her life with a companion that doesn't share her beliefs or not. If its a dealbreaker for you, then leave. It amazes me how people actually resist this stuff because the person they are romancing are not behaving the way they wanted them to - that is not how it works! People are people and you can't change that. If they have 'spoiled the love' for you by making this ultimatum, well, that's the entire point - are you going to put up with it? Are you going to stick it out and try to help them see your point of view? Or are you going to walk away? Welcome to role-playing.

 

It is a role-playing game, throwing these curveballs into the mix and making relationships complicated is what makes it role-playing. The writers are absolutely doing the right thing by making things this complicated. Sera is stubborn, such is life. If your Inquisitor loves her more than her own beliefs, renounce and live happily ever after (maybe?), if not, don't and walk away. That is how the story plays, life is no different, roleplaying games that emulate circumstances like this from life are of a high quality and should be applauded.


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Here is my thing... why on earth do I keep seeing all these people that expect the romances to just all be about unconditional love? Relationships are complicated, people do and say stupid things just as often as wonderful things, sometimes those things are hurtful, sometimes they are ignorant, sometimes they are loving.

Sera is her own elf, she is allowed to believe whatever she wants, and she is allowed to decide for herself (however ignorant I personally believe it is) if she wants to live her life with a companion that doesn't share her beliefs or not. If its a dealbreaker for you, then leave. It amazes me how people actually resist this stuff because the person they are romancing are not behaving the way they wanted them to - that is not how it works! People are people and you can't change that. If they have 'spoiled the love' for you by making this ultimatum, well, that's the entire point - are you going to put up with it? Are you going to stick it out and try to help them see your point of view? Or are you going to walk away? Welcome to role-playing.

It is a role-playing game, throwing these curveballs into the mix and making relationships complicated is what makes it role-playing. The writers are absolutely doing the right thing by making things this complicated. Sera is stubborn, such is life. If your Inquisitor loves her more than her own beliefs, renounce and live happily ever after (maybe?), if not, don't and walk away. That is how the story plays, life is no different, roleplaying games that emulate circumstances like this from life are of a high quality and should be applauded.


This much sense is OP please nerf.

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Apart from her neighing, Sera's all fine. If she doesn't want to put up with religious stuff in her life that's her prerrogative.

 

Much anger this thread has

Good, goooood.



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Uh yeah no sorry. Definitely not abuse, there's no coercion, no blackmail, no physical, mental or emotional violence. Ultimatum and a shitty, shitty thing to do to someone, especially someone you claim to care for, but it's not abuse. That's ridiculous.


No, this is pretty much the dictionary definition of emotional blackmail. You saying it's not does not change that.
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Yes, yes. Bioware, please stop making characters who aren't perfect. It is annoying when they do 'human' things, make mistakes, develop over the course of the game, aren't interested in exactly the head cannon I have.... etc. Etc.

Please make more boring characters who are either always perfect or always a$s holes.

I don't like it when they make me think. It hurts my head.

More characters like cass. She is nice and bland.

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Dbl post.

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Rifneno

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Yes, yes. Bioware, please stop making characters who aren't perfect. It is annoying when they do 'human' things, make mistakes, develop over the course of the game, aren't interested in exactly the head cannon I have.... etc. Etc.


Develop over the course of the game? You seem confused. We're talking about Sera.
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Develop over the course of the game? You seem confused. We're talking about Sera.


Yes, we are, and you seem confused. She can develop over the course of the game, depending on how her approval rating goes, and dialog choices. She goes from the "I don't like complications" when talking about her past to actually opening up to the PC, if they pursue it. That is, after all, the very definition of character development. Character development doesn't mean she learns to think and act only in a way the PC approves of, which is the source of the majority of butthurt over her character.
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It's a tricky thing to condemn a character for being "close-minded", "narrow-minded", and "intolerant" just because they won't agree with you. Maybe the pot and the kettle aren't so different from each other after all.

 

Why does it bother you that Sera has opinions of her own? Why should every character be so weak willed and co-dependent to comply with whatever you say? You don't have to agree. If it's important to her, let it be important to her. You don't like what she believes, break up. Don't resent her for staying true to herself. 

 

I think some of you all are just annoyed because she breaks you out of your power fantasy reverie. 


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Yes, we are, and you seem confused. She can develop over the course of the game, depending on how her approval rating goes, and dialog choices. She goes from the "I don't like complications" when talking about her past to actually opening up to the PC, if they pursue it. That is, after all, the very definition of character development. Character development doesn't mean she learns to think and act only in a way the PC approves of, which is the source of the majority of butthurt over her character.


She is also developing her faith which can be a terrifying prospect for those who never put much thought in it
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#174
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Here is my thing... why on earth do I keep seeing all these people that expect the romances to just all be about unconditional love? Relationships are complicated, people do and say stupid things just as often as wonderful things, sometimes those things are hurtful, sometimes they are ignorant, sometimes they are loving.

 

Sera is her own elf, she is allowed to believe whatever she wants, and she is allowed to decide for herself (however ignorant I personally believe it is) if she wants to live her life with a companion that doesn't share her beliefs or not. If its a dealbreaker for you, then leave. It amazes me how people actually resist this stuff because the person they are romancing are not behaving the way they wanted them to - that is not how it works! People are people and you can't change that. If they have 'spoiled the love' for you by making this ultimatum, well, that's the entire point - are you going to put up with it? Are you going to stick it out and try to help them see your point of view? Or are you going to walk away? Welcome to role-playing.

 

It is a role-playing game, throwing these curveballs into the mix and making relationships complicated is what makes it role-playing. The writers are absolutely doing the right thing by making things this complicated. Sera is stubborn, such is life. If your Inquisitor loves her more than her own beliefs, renounce and live happily ever after (maybe?), if not, don't and walk away. That is how the story plays, life is no different, roleplaying games that emulate circumstances like this from life are of a high quality and should be applauded.

 

I don't have a problem with Bioware throwing curveballs like that. They should do more of it, in fact. More Blackwalls, more Viviennes, More Solas, more companions who harbor darks secrets or don't comply with the PC's every whims.

 

But it doesn't make Sera much less of a despicable person for imposing that one someone she claims to care for.



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I don't have a problem with Bioware throwing curveballs like that. They should do more of it, in fact. More Blackwalls, more Viviennes, More Solas, more companions who harbor darks secrets or don't comply with the PC's every whims.
 
But it doesn't make Sera much less of a despicable person for imposing that one someone she claims to care for.


So you're all for them doing it, so long as they don't do it.