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[ERINII]

So, I was really looking forward to this but I must say I haven't been able to encounter it yet? I mean, your party members can leave you if their disapproval stacks up too much, right? So I must admit I've been a bit afraid of pissing off my companions too much. I tried to search videos from youtube or rivalmance guides but I've had no luck yet. I'm starting a new playthrough now though, and trying to see if I can make it happen.

 

Has anyone else been successful with this hate-love relationship yet?

[Ryzaki]

Probably got cut is my guess.

 

Wonder if it was Solas and a human Pc. That could've been amusing given his racism.

[Adynata]

My elf argued with Solas about the dalish when they first met, and there were some mean things said! There was a lot of disapproval, but I still slapped a kiss on him when I had the chance. I hear that Cassandra can disapprove of everything you do and still give a romance. 

[Ryzaki]

Solas isn't just racist against humans. He's 'racist' (too strong a term IMO) against non-spirits in general and only comes to have his faith restored in Shemlen (modern elves included) depending on the Inquisitor's actions.

 

Didn't say he was just racist against humans.

 

But nah his faith isn't restored. He pretty much busts out the "but you're different." card.

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't think Solas likes anyone. Besides spirits anyway. He's not even an elf so I can't really call him a racist. People throw that word around too much for my liking.

[ERINII]

Ah, I think the feature got cut off then. I'm going to try and see if I can find different dialogue but not going to hope much. The only difference with the approval/disapproval I've seen 'til now is that you'll get different scenes when either one is high. You don't really get anything if you stay on the middleground.

 

It's such a shame, though. I was expecting an upgrade of DA:2 rivalmance but I guess they left it out completely.

[BHRamsay]

Didn't say he was just racist against humans.
 
But nah his faith isn't restored. He pretty much busts out the "but you're different." card.

we're one of "the good ones" right, remind me to slap him when he says that to me

[errantknight]

Ah, I think the feature got cut off then. I'm going to try and see if I can find different dialogue but not going to hope much. The only difference with the approval/disapproval I've seen 'til now is that you'll get different scenes when either one is high. You don't really get anything if you stay on the middleground.
 
It's such a shame, though. I was expecting an upgrade of DA:2 rivalmance but I guess they left it out completely.

Pretty hard to do that in a game where they can leave if they want and you have enough help that they're not going to feel that they have no choice but to stay, as in Origins.

[Lady Artifice]

Yeah, Solas disapproves if you say you think your just like anyone else while he's trying to express his respect for you.

 

I admit it's a flaw in his character, but it's a "good" flaw. I don't really blame him for misanthropy (Imagine that I found a less human specific term), after what he's witnessed. 

[Precursor Meta]

I'm not sure if getting someone's disapproval low enough will make them leave. I know you can get it to a point where your companions express downright hate for you, but that's about it.

[Above Good and Evil]

Makes more sense that you can't rivalmance people. Unlike Dragon Age II many of your companions are MUCH more reasonable with their beliefs (Sera's the only one who can come off as overtly selfish) so to get them to the point of hatred you'd have to go out of your way to make them dislike you, at which point it makes sense they'd refuse to be involved with you. Cassandra's faithful but you can play an atheist and she won't hate you so long as you're respectful to her beliefs. Likewise I played my Inquisitor as disliking blood magic and wary of spirits, but I saved his spirit friend and acted helpful so we were cool.

Sera's the only one with a crisis point as far as I can tell, and that's only for Female Dalish romances. Everyone else is more lax.

[Blackstork]

Afaik Varric and Blackwall can leave from disaproval for sure

[Above Good and Evil]

Dorian and Sera do as well, as does Cole. I think Varric, Cassandra and Solas never leave since they have too much at stake. Vivian I know she moves your furniture out of your room (HEINOUS!) if she gets annoyed enough. Not sure about Bull, then again I'm not sure how you ****** him off considering his lax attitude.

[Hazegurl]

I sorta had a platonic version of that between my human PC and Solas. "hate filled forbidden respect"

 

We hated each other from the start.

I punched him in the mouth after he started talking trash to me.

Close to the end we acknowledged that we respected each other and my PC actually felt bad for breaking the orb.

 

My PC drank from the Well too. Just picturing the two of them stuck together for an eternity is hilarious.  

[Nyctyris]

It's nto about leaving, though. 

 

Fenris will leave if he dislikes you (for example) in Dage, or at least won't side with you in the end. Tha'ts not the same as a rivalmance or rivalfriendship. 

 

I thought rivalry was done really well in DA2 particularly with Carver, who you "love" becuase he's your brother but who you don't get on with becuase you never see eye to eye. 

 

There isn't anything like that in DAI as far as I can tell. 

[Above Good and Evil]

Because while it makes sense for Carver and Sebastian, many of the rivalries amount to Hawke bullying and shitting on his companions. Choices like turning Mages in get rivalry with Anders and bragging about how awesome slaves are get rivalry with Fenris. This makes no sense because rivalry is 'disagree but still respect': Why would Anders respect a pro-templar Hawke that calls him a monster? Why would Fenris not immediately leave a Hawke that gets an Elven slave then tells Fenris to stuff it? That shouldn't get you rivalry, that should get you hatred.

[Engraved]

Because while it makes sense for Carver and Sebastian, many of the rivalries amount to Hawke bullying and shitting on his companions. Choices like turning Mages in get rivalry with Anders and bragging about how awesome slaves are get rivalry with Fenris. This makes no sense because rivalry is 'disagree but still respect': Why would Anders respect a pro-templar Hawke that calls him a monster? Why would Fenris not immediately leave a Hawke that gets an Elven slave then tells Fenris to stuff it? That shouldn't get you rivalry, that should get you hatred.

 

The reason Anders respects pro-templar Hawke is because Anders KNOWS he's turning into a dangerous lunatic and Hawke's opposition helps him hold on to his humanity. You also convince him to pursue mage freedom through official means rather than pure violence. The Fenris slavery issue is different and I wish they handled that particular problem differently. The primary point of contention with Fenris is supporting mage freedom.

[Above Good and Evil]

Then why does freeing Mages get rivalry and not just plain dislike? He doesn't respect Anders and while that may be do to the abomination issue Hawke can be a slave-owner Mage themselves so by that logic he shouldn't respect you either. 

[Nyctyris]

Maybe it wasn't done perfectly, but it was a good idea and needed polishing, not scrapping. 

 

I was a rival with nearly all my companions;

• carver because he became a templar and I stayed a mage, in a nutshell, and also he was a jealous insecure baby a lot of the time;
• fenris because I supported mages generally (you can be anti slavery and still rack up more than enough rivalry with him);
• Anders because we got on as mates but he was still a freaking terrorist;
• Merril because (again) we were friends but she was wrong wrong WRONG about all that eluvian/demon/blood magic crap and I wasn't going to lie to her about that. 

Friends with Varric and Isobela though. Felt like it couldn't work any other way. 

[Above Good and Evil]

What about Aveline then? While she approves of the circle, in general being pro-mage doesn't annoy her too much. You have to go out of your way to be either rude, insulting or commit crimes right in front of her - How does that work for respect? Hell she points out that 'You're a highwayman. You stumbled into being champion', which is rather accurate if you're playing a self-interested greedy Hawke who gave Isabela back to the Arishok then rubbed her nose in it. 

[Teshayel]

But even the rivalry path romances in DA2 were not really the forbidden type. Plus, as many here have pointed out, it often did not make sense to have Fenris or Anders stick by your Hawke's side on the rivalry path.

 

We need someone like Bishop DLC companion maybe? 

[Above Good and Evil]

Sebastian's rivalry is the one that actually fits: He's torn between retaking Starkhaven and staying in the Chantry. Telling him he should do what his heart desires obviously endears him to you and you gain friendship. Likewise telling him the people need him will nudge him towards rivalry because he doesn't WANT to go to Starhaven but he's considering it because he respects you. THAT's how you do rivalry - Most of the other characters are set in their beliefs rather than pitter pattering like Sebastian is so their rivalries make less sense.