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[Ogillardetta]

I remember them saying that Orlais would bring a lot of troops if they had asked for assistance, not just a few, enough to fight back. I'm not sure what to think about Teagan but I would never put Eamon on the throne. If Allistair takes the throne Eamon always tries to control him in the back. Eamon only wanted Al to take the throne so he had more control.

So you dislike someone for doing the exact same thing as Anora did with Calian and is going to do with Alistair if you marry them....? 

Edit: I didn't read into it as Eamon trying to control Alistair but if you say so.

[Zeroth Angel]

So you dislike someone for doing the exact same thing as Anora did with Calian and is going to do with Alistair if you marry them....? 

It's been a long time since I played Origins so maybe my memory is a bit fuzzy but didn't Anora tell the player that she did love Cailan?

[ShepardMyFriend]

Anoras face is only pretty with her fathers blood on it.

You know, all things considered, she handled that pretty well lol.

 

I never understood why the execution had to be performed right then and there, five feet away from Loghain's daughter.

[Ogillardetta]

You know, all things considered, she handled that pretty well lol.

 

I never understood why the execution had to be performed right then and there, five feet away from Loghain's daughter.

Agreed on the part that it was unnessesary to do it in front of her, but thats apperantly how they do things in Ferelden. When I play the game her father is dead from the moment he pulls back his army so covered in blood it is.

[ShepardMyFriend]

Agreed on the part that it was unnessesary to do it in front of her, but thats apperantly how they do things in Ferelden. When I play the game her father is dead from the moment he pulls back his army so covered in blood it is.

No arguments there. My canon Warden was out for blood as soon as that moment occurred.

[OHB MajorV]

She's no morrigan.....just saying.

[Kevs]

Maybe Loghain saved his army from a hopeless battle. Or maybe Loghain really did plan to turn Cailan into a martyr and the Wardens into a scapegoat to prevent Orlais from meddling in Ferelden. Who knows? What I just really hate is how he keeps on denying that the Blight is real during the Landsmeet. In the Landsmeet, you get bonus support from the nobles by saying that the true threat are the darkspawn and not Orlais, so that tells me that Loghain was more worried about Orlais even when half the Bannorn is overrun by darkspawn.

 

Agreed on the part that it was unnessesary to do it in front of her, but thats apperantly how they do things in Ferelden. When I play the game her father is dead from the moment he pulls back his army so covered in blood it is.

That's how trial by combat generally works. The loser either gets executed right then and there, or gets locked up/exiled. No one gets locked up to be executed later; that's just silly.

[KaiserShep]

You know, all things considered, she handled that pretty well lol.

 

I never understood why the execution had to be performed right then and there, five feet away from Loghain's daughter.

 

Things would have gone a lot more smoothly if NPC's didn't die as explosively as victims in cheesy martial arts movies.

[ShepardMyFriend]

Things would have gone a lot more smoothly if NPC's didn't die as explosively as victims in cheesy martial arts movies.

There's a rumor floating around that Anora is still finding Loghain chunks in her hair every now and then. Poor girl.

[Lucky Thirteen]

You know, all things considered, she handled that pretty well lol.

 

I never understood why the execution had to be performed right then and there, five feet away from Loghain's daughter.

 

because drama! Didn't you see that last Star Trek movie where the daughter got to watch her dad's head get smashed in front of her. Killing fathers in front of daughters is the most heartbreaking, dramatic thing.

 

In turn, I never understood why Alistair's execution was out of sight and couldn't be done on the spot too. 

[Aren]

1. He saved all those soldiers that were under his command at Ostagar

2. She is the queen of Ferelden. Why wouldn't she have a claim on the throne? And don't tell me because there is a half elf/human warden running around with Therin blood running through his veins.

an half elf/human, tainted warden,   now i see Alistair like a sort of  Hybrid super bastard.

[Rifneno]

I'd execute Anora in a second if I could. She doesn't deserve to live. She tries to execute Alistair, after he's sworn off any claim to throne, just because. She doesn't to live, much less be a ruler. It's a shame there was no option to kill her. It's not like she's been a major character since.

[Aren]

because drama! Didn't you see that last Star Trek movie where the daughter got to watch her dad's head get smashed in front of her. Killing fathers in front of daughters is the most heartbreaking, dramatic thing.

 

In turn, I never understood why Alistair's execution was out of sight and couldn't be done on the spot too. 

yea i want to se him on a torch

 

There's a rumor floating around that Anora is still finding Loghain chunks in her hair every now and then. Poor girl.

well if you put the situation in that way........    it  appears that valendrian, shianni and also my warden are still thinking about     the poor elves of the alienage now in some region of tevinter used for experiment of blood magic.

Anora will become even more stronger without Loghain, she is not a child ad she is the great queen of FERELDEN, while the elves are already dead by now.

[Aren]

I'd execute Anora in a second if I could. She doesn't deserve to live. She tries to execute Alistair, after he's sworn off any claim to throne, just because. She doesn't to live, much less be a ruler. It's a shame there was no option to kill her. It's not like she's been a major character since.

nope the reason is obvious, if you kill anora then use Alistair as sacrifice vs the archedemon, then who will rule ferelden my Mabari? (that is a good, great idea!!!!)

[Rifneno]

nope the reason is obvious, if you kill anora then use Alistair as sacrifice vs the archedemon, then who will rule ferelden my Mabari? (that is a good, great idea!!!!)

Yep, I can get behind the mabari ruling.

When the dwarves ask me who I choose as King because the paragon gave me the right to choose, I've always wanted to award it to that "special" merchant in the common quarter who asks if you've seen his sandwich.

[skotie]

The battle was Cailan´s idea, and the RtO DLC leaves clear the battle was lost even if Loghain had not retired. I have to agree there, as I don´t think such a king was worth the lives it would have taken to save him. I lost all respect for Alistair when he murdered the witch in Silent Grove, becuase his father had chosen to honor a promise he had made.

 

Anyway, I guess we all find characters we can´t let away with something. Yaevinn in Witcher 1 talks several good points, but if you´ve read the books you know more like he really is. Metagaming as Geralt didn´t know, but kill the sob anyways.

How exactly was the battle lost had Loghain not retired? Sorry but I'm pretty sure the army he marched off the field was the size of the darkspawn horde, hell let the king die if you want but just leave everyone else to die as well? Then blame it on the Wardens? Yeah not buying that.

[Rifneno]

How exactly was the battle lost had Loghain not retired? Sorry but I'm pretty sure the army he marched off the field was the size of the darkspawn horde, hell let the king die if you want but just leave everyone else to die as well? Then blame it on the Wardens? Yeah not buying that.

See, the problem is Gaider, the Archmage of Retconjuration.

When DAO first came out, Loghain did it as a power play. Pure and simple. The borderline omniscient Flemeth says as much, and pretty much no one except Loghain's brainwashed lackies believe it. Even though Morrigan get would sexual pleasure out of rubbing Alistair's face in the fact that Loghain might have had a solid military reason for fleeing, she doesn't do it because it just plain isn't true. I know it, you know it, Sandal knows it, everyone knows it.

But OMG, what's this? Loghain WASN'T a gray moral area? No one liked the creepy douchebag who sold his own people into slavery, committed regicide, and fights tooth and nail to let his country fall to the Blight because of his paranoid-delusions about Orlais? TO THE RETCON-MOBILE!

Now comes out first DLC after Gaider has had time to process fan reaction and realized his gray moral dilemma didn't pan so gray. Now, Cailan was leading his army to suicide. He was not just leading his entire country's military to suicide by darkspawn, but he was planning to marry Empress Celene and sell out Ferelden to a bunch of fruity mask-wearers. One wonders how he planned to do that when he was also planning to die, but shut up, retconning is hard work. So now, Cailan is the bad guy who led his people to death and ruin and that's that. The king's guard you find dying knows it, and even Alistair doesn't contest it. Why would he? Obviously it's true.

Read quick before they retcon this post!

[Zeroth Angel]

How exactly was the battle lost had Loghain not retired? Sorry but I'm pretty sure the army he marched off the field was the size of the darkspawn horde, hell let the king die if you want but just leave everyone else to die as well? Then blame it on the Wardens? Yeah not buying that.

We obviously saw a different cutscene.

[skotie]

We obviously saw a different cutscene.

You mean this one with the ocean of soldiers as far as the eye can see? Made all the more visible by the torches.

 

[Zeroth Angel]

You mean this one with the ocean of soldiers as far as the eye can see? Made all the more visible by the torches.

 

There is also a sea of darkspawn that is quickly approaching.

 

Sure Loghain could rush in and try to save the king but the sea of darkspawn would rush in on them and then everyone would get surrounded by darkspawn and die.

[skotie]

There is also a sea of darkspawn that is quickly approaching.

 

Sure Loghain could rush in and try to save the king but the sea of darkspawn would rush in on them and then everyone would die.

I could care less if Calian lives, people claim Loghain's a patriot yet he let an entire army of his countrymen die while his men marched off the field. Judging by the start of the battle seeing the darkspawn horde and the end when Loghain's men left, his army was a match for the darkspawn, not to mention Calian's own forces were fighting as well.

 

Let the king die because you waited too long to attack and all Loghain's worries about Orlais have vanished. But why abandon the rest of your countrymen "Patriot"?

[Zeroth Angel]

I could care less if Calian lives, people claim Loghain's a patriot yet he let an entire army of his countrymen die while his men marched off the field. Judging by the start of the battle seeing the darkspawn horde and the end when Loghain's men left, his army was a match for the darkspawn, not to mention Calian's own forces were fighting as well.

 

Let the king die because you waited too long to attack and all Loghain's worries about Orlais have vanished. But why abandon the rest of your countrymen "Patriot"?

David Gaider said that if Loghain thought he could win the battle, that he would have tried to save his countrymen and Cailan.

[MoonDrummer]

1. He saved all those soldiers that were under his command at Ostagar
2. She is the queen of Ferelden. Why wouldn't she have a claim on the throne? And don't tell me because there is a half elf/human warden running around with Therin blood running through his veins.

In fairness he did have the cousland family massacred and tried to assassinate Eamon.
And wives don't inherit their husbands titles.

[Zeroth Angel]

In fairness he did have the cousland family massacred and tried to assassinate Eamon.
And wives don't inherit their husbands titles.

He had nothing to with the cousland family massacre, that was all Howe's deal. Yes his assasisnation attempt wasn't smart but I never said that Loghain was smart when it comes down to making choices for his country. When it comes to politics Loghain has a lot to learn.

Even if they don't I still think Anora is a better ruler.

[MoonDrummer]

He had nothing to with the cousland family massacre, that was all Howe's deal. Yes his assasisnation attempt wasn't smart but I never said that Loghain was smart when it comes down to making choices for his country. When it comes to politics Loghain has a lot to learn.
Even if they don't I still think Anora is a better ruler.

Surely he had knowledge at least of what would happen to the Couslands, Howe wouldn't have went through with it I he wasn't sure he woul get away with it. So in my opinion it is proof that loghain was already planning on retreating from the battle.