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[Zeroth Angel]

Yeah but the skirmishes before the battle all seemed to be successful and if you talk to Howe in the origin he questions whether it is a true blight. It just doesn't add up in my opinion, Howe would not have acted unless he was certain.

That's not so surprising seeing as he wasn't the only one. 

 

Even Cailan who wanted to believe in a blight said:"I'm starting to doubt that this is even a real blight."

[sylvanaerie]

I disagree, the fact Howe butchered the Couslands would make up the gist of my argument, surely Howe wouldn't have done something so daring unless he knew Cailen was about to bite the dust and he therefore would not face retribution.

 

It's all in the perception. Such things are left open to player interpretation.  Make no mistake, I'm no fan of Loghain.  Perhaps he was in cahoots with Howe, I can't say one way or the other, but I tend to take things that are actually in the game as my standard of argument instead of head canon or supposition of behind the scenes events.  That he supports Howe, even knowing what he did, after his heinous act comes to light condemns him in my eyes, not any perceived alliance he had before the events of Ostagar.   

[MoonDrummer]

That's not so surprising seeing as he wasn't the only one.

Even Cailan who wanted to believe in a blight said:"I'm starting to doubt that this is even a real blight."

The point I was trying to make was that it wouldn't make sense for Howe to risk everything on Cailen dying at Osatagar when everything was going well, and therefore he must have been colluding with loghain.

[sylvanaerie]

Sure you could say that. But Howe is a sh*t character anyway. Not much we can say about him without bringing up much to support.

 

I mean, he didn't even take over Highever, right? Just did his Red Wedding and f*cked off. What the hell was the point of that anyway?

 

But yeah, skirmishes or battles, whatever. Cailain could have had an arrow through his throat at any time and Loghain would simply have had to take control of the army.

 

Not to mention that this would involve more than Howe. A coup is but a usurpation without support. And Howe was an Arl. His rise to Teyrn didn't come from the Cousland slaughter but the absence of Teyrn douchebag from Denerim.

 

Bryce wasn't a douchebag!   Where did you get that???

[MoonDrummer]

Did he actually know that Howe murdered the Stark- I mean the Couslands?

If you talk to him he mentions Cailens promise of justice

[sylvanaerie]

Not everything needs to be pragmatic or based on logic.

 

Like I said, we know f*ck all about Howe.

 

Looks like he hated the Cousies.

 

xD

 

 

Bryce as in Bryce Cousland?

 

No no no.

 

Bryce is cool and full of foreshadowing his son's death.

 

That dude from Denerim.

 

Wasn't he a Teyrn?

 

*looks up*

 

Oh... looks like he wasn't.

 

Well yeah, the guy who goes all Prima Nocta on your Elf Origin stuff.

 

That guy was scum.

 

Oh, Vaughan.  He was Arl Urien's son (then later arl of denerim if you didn't play a city elf who gutted him).  I agree, he was whale sh*t.

[Milan92]

Howe did take Highever. He also took the title of Teyrn with it.

[SpookyDjinn]

I love how any thread made about Anora, ALAWAYS ends up in a debate about her Mentally Ill Father. You truly know your on BSN when this happens.

[MoonDrummer]

I love how any thread made about Anora, ALAWAYS ends up in a debate about her Mentally Ill Father. You truly know your on BSN when this happens.

This is my first, I am enjoying it

[uncledolan]

Well this wasn't what I envisioned when I started this thread...

[sylvanaerie]

Well this wasn't what I envisioned when I started this thread...

Indeed, but it's what happens to any thread on the BSN--even those not even closely connected to Loghain.

[Ashagar]

1. He saved all those soldiers that were under his command at Ostagar

2. She is the queen of Ferelden. Why wouldn't she have a claim on the throne? And don't tell me because there is a half elf/human warden running around with Therin blood running through his veins.

 

True though and to be honest the only people who would have a clear and better claim were unless your warden is a coulsand was either murdered by Howe or lost in the wilds. After all the nobles wanted to put Bruce Cousland on the throne instead of Calian only he turned it down.

[BloodyTalon]

I love how any thread made about Anora, ALAWAYS ends up in a debate about her Mentally Ill Father. You truly know your on BSN when this happens.

Her father just had PTSD its a real pain, but still was  a hero and he tried to do what he taught was right based on past experience.

So it does open up a lot of debate, cause people like picking old wounds when they don't fully understand all the angles.

But his daughter is a decent person who is used to doing politics in medievil times and ran the kingdom when her husband was alive, so yeah people need to cut her some slack and admit somethings.

[BloodyTalon]

Well this wasn't what I envisioned when I started this thread...

Welcome to BSN bto/sis..

Edit: On a side note you can always ask for a thread to be locked or removed if it goes far off topic, if you can't delete it yourself if I recall right.

Modifié par BloodyTalon, 22 décembre 2014 - 03:54 .

[Dova]

2. She is the queen of Ferelden. Why wouldn't she have a claim on the throne?

well considering she was a commoner, and only became nobility through her father, then shortly after that marrying cailan probably just to be queen considering her poor relationship with cailan thus leading him to cheat; technically she has zero ties to the throne.

that's why i give her the boot.

[Gunslinger01101]

Loghain suuuuuuuuucks! (Not as a character, as a character he's kinda cool, if you view him as a grizzled war veteran who simply lost his **** when he saw the darkspawn horde and then just keep losing it until the warden smacked sense into him at the landsmeet, offering him a chance to redeem himself, and then against all odds survived what he shouldn't have because he bumped uglies with morrigan...and then ends up leading the wardens!)

 

But my warden/archer/queen of ferelden HATES his ****, and had hardened alistair murder his face, and take the throne, and then rule with her! Blamo!

 

The scenario in the parens above is my headcanon for my elf arcane warrior who romanced morrigan and followed her through the elluvian and had an old god kieran with her, in which loghain lives.