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[Persephone]

1. Atleast then Ferelden might still have the military might to remove her since the country wouldn't be as affected by the blight. Maybe they would put a ruler on the throne with a sense of honor and duty that doesn't leave good men and women to die. I would vote for Teagan or maybe Arl Eamon.

Yeah, let's empower someone with no knowledge of tactics and warfare to make those decisions, that'll go over well, Cailan worked out super well too.

Sense of honor and duty? Like the Guerrins? I don't mind Teagan but he's no ruler. As for Eamon:

 

• Has a history of abuse and treason
• Openly sexist and infatuated with bloodlines
• Tells you point blank that if you won't follow his plan, he will have to support Loghain instead
• Dude's got the politics down pat, he's a bloody snake but you trust him because.......Alistair said so?

As for your sickening comment re: Anora being doused in her father's blood.....(Which is as traumatizing as it gets)

 

Let me tell you, as a person who has literally watched a parent die: There's nothing even remotely good enough to justify your glee at a moment like that. I don't care what you decide in the Landsmeet (Though I wouldn't want to live in your Ferelden) but this kind of behavior is utterly despicable.

[Persephone]

I'd execute Anora in a second if I could. She doesn't deserve to live. She tries to execute Alistair, after he's sworn off any claim to throne, just because. She doesn't to live, much less be a ruler. It's a shame there was no option to kill her. It's not like she's been a major character since.

Um no?

The only time she orders his death (And you can easily ask her to change her mind) is if he doesn't get his revenge and makes a coup for the crown. He never swears off any claim to the throne in that scenario.

 

She doesn't deserve to die any more than he does. NVM that he hints at having her killed if he survives the Blight. (As solo king or wed to CousCous)

 

It's rather telling that you would kill a woman for the unpardonable sin of wanting to survive, keeping her job and protecting the only family she has left while still offering to help you.

[MoonDrummer]

It's a game, calm your ham.

[Persephone]

well considering she was a commoner, and only became nobility through her father, then shortly after that marrying cailan probably just to be queen considering her poor relationship with cailan thus leading him to cheat; technically she has zero ties to the throne.

that's why i give her the boot.

She was the daughter of a Teyrn, no more a commoner than Princess CousCous.

Her betrothal was decided by her parents, but it's adorable how you're acting like she's some ruthless maneater.

Are we blaming betrayed wives for "making" their worthless husbands cheat now?

Especially since she did his job for him as well & brilliantly so?

And think they deserve to lose their jobs and die over it?

 

Hi sexism. *Sigh*

[Persephone]

Ugh. The worst Anora fangirl ever is here.

Well, that is a most convincing argument. No, really, very profound reasoning, I stand corrected.
 

[MoonDrummer]

She was the daughter of a Teyrn, no more a commoner than Princess CousCous.
Her betrothal was decided by her parents, but it's adorable how you're acting like she's some ruthless maneater.
Are we blaming betrayed wives for "making" their worthless husbands cheat now?
Especially since she did his job for him as well & brilliantly so?
And think they deserve to lose their jobs and die over it?

Hi sexism. *Sigh*

A king shags who he wants when he wants.

[Persephone]

A king shags who he wants when he wants.

Terrible kings like Henry VIII and Cailan most certainly did.

[sylvanaerie]

She was the daughter of a Teyrn, no more a commoner than Princess CousCous.

Her betrothal was decided by her parents, but it's adorable how you're acting like she's some ruthless maneater.

Are we blaming betrayed wives for "making" their worthless husbands cheat now?

Especially since she did his job for him as well & brilliantly so?

And think they deserve to lose their jobs and die over it?

 

Hi sexism. *Sigh*

 

Anora is the daughter of a teyrn who is a commoner raised to that title by the king.  Technically she may be a teyrn's daughter, but some of the nobility still see her as an 'upjumped commoner'.  The Couslands, (male and female's family) have been ruling Highever for generations.  I'd have to say there's a bit of separation there, your love for Loghain is blinding you to how the people of Ferelden perceive Loghain, a hero but still a 'common man's' hero.  Anora even says herself that an alliance with a HNM would help solidify her hold on the throne since he can supply ties to a family far richer in heritage than hers.

 

Still, she's queen in all but my canon Warden's playthrough (Surana mistress) and my HNF warden's story.  Alistair doesn't want it, she does a creditable job if left in charge (except for the bloody encounter with elves in the Alienage) and she has the political mindset to deal with other nations and get things done.

 

And, while I don't like executing a man in front of his daughter, I despise Loghain and everything he does in the game and execute him on the Landsmeet floor.  It's not like the game gives you a choice anyway.

[Rifneno]

Well, that is a most convincing argument. No, really, very profound reasoning, I stand corrected.
 

I've been off BSN for 2 years, and off the DA forums for a few more years before that. And I'm bad with names. But I still remember you for how absolutely over the top and terrible your Anora fangirling is. We could get a more fair and balanced viewpoint from Loghain himself. Fortunately, the ignore options actually work on the forum nowadays. Excuse me, I have something to do.

[MoonDrummer]

Terrible kings like Henry VIII and Cailan most certainly did.

Henry the 8th freed my brave nation from the popes tyranny! And Cailen died bravely and the hands of a monstrous horde and treasonous general to defend the small folk of jolly old ferelden from doom. RIP sweet prince.

[Zeroth Angel]

Henry the 8th freed my brave nation from the popes tyranny! And Cailen died bravely and the hands of a monstrous horde and treasonous general to defend the small folk of jolly old ferelden from doom. RIP sweet prince.

Cailan was an idiot. The guy should never have fought on the front lines. 

[MoonDrummer]

Cailan was an idiot. The guy should never have fought on the front lines.

he was a tactical genius, I bet he could have successfully defeated Russia during a winter campaign if he wanted too.

[Persephone]

Anora is the daughter of a teyrn who is a commoner raised to that title by the king.  Technically she may be a teyrn's daughter, but some of the nobility still see her as an 'upjumped commoner'.  The Couslands, (male and female's family) have been ruling Highever for generations.  I'd have to say there's a bit of separation there, your love for Loghain is blinding you to how the people of Ferelden perceive Loghain, a hero but still a 'common man's' hero.  Anora even says herself that an alliance with a HNM would help solidify her hold on the throne since he can supply ties to a family far richer in heritage than hers.

 

Still, she's queen in all but my canon Warden's playthrough (Surana mistress) and my HNF warden's story.  Alistair doesn't want it, she does a creditable job if left in charge (except for the bloody encounter with elves in the Alienage) and she has the political mindset to deal with other nations and get things done.

 

And, while I don't like executing a man in front of his daughter, I despise Loghain and everything he does in the game and execute him on the Landsmeet floor.  It's not like the game gives you a choice anyway.

 

Heeeeeeeeey, long time no see!

 

• Any noble was "raised" to his title at some point, whether that was generations ago or within their parents' lives doesn't technically make a difference. Anora was not a commoner, that was the only thing I objected to. Tradition is another matter.
• This isn't about Loghain or my affection for him as a character, I know how the people of Ferelden see him. I.E. the "common" folk loving him and the nobility sneering politely. Believe me, I am aware of that part of the tale.
• The game does give you more than a choice, it gives you several and not all involve blood & sorrow. It gives me the choice I always pick, recruit Loghain, have Alistair wed Anora & boom, tragedy averted. That's just how it works for me of course, but it's the outcome I prefer. I'd rather not traumatize an innocent woman for the rest of her life, if I can avoid it. I could, so I did. Easy as. You do it differently for your own reasons. Good for you, your game, your story. Doesn't matter what I think.

[Persephone]

Henry the 8th freed my brave nation from the popes tyranny! And Cailen died bravely and the hands of a monstrous horde and treasonous general to defend the small folk of jolly old ferelden from doom. RIP sweet prince.

The sarcasm is deliciously strong here. (I hope)

[Persephone]

I've been off BSN for 2 years, and off the DA forums for a few more years before that. And I'm bad with names. But I still remember you for how absolutely over the top and terrible your Anora fangirling is. We could get a more fair and balanced viewpoint from Loghain himself. Fortunately, the ignore options actually work on the forum nowadays. Excuse me, I have something to do.

I don't think anything I've said about her here qualifies as "over the top" or "terrible fangirling", merely presenting her side of the story and calling out some sexist remarks. If that makes me a "fangirl", so be it. And okay, do what you have to do. I really don't care either way but thank you for informing me, I guess?

[sylvanaerie]

 

Heeeeeeeeey, long time no see!

 

• Any noble was "raised" to his title at some point, whether that was generations ago or within their parents' lives doesn't technically make a difference. Anora was not a commoner, that was the only thing I objected to. Tradition is another matter.
• This isn't about Loghain or my affection for him as a character, I know how the people of Ferelden see him. I.E. the "common" folk loving him and the nobility sneering politely. Believe me, I am aware of that part of the tale.
• The game does give you more than a choice, it gives you several and not all involve blood & sorrow. It gives me the choice I always pick, recruit Loghain, have Alistair wed Anora & boom, tragedy averted. That's just how it works for me of course, but it's the outcome I prefer. I'd rather not traumatize an innocent woman for the rest of her life, if I can avoid it. I could, so I did. Easy as. You do it differently for your own reasons. Good for you, your game, your story. Doesn't matter what I think.

 

 

Yea, I don't really see this debate going well since this boils down to perspective and how we each interpret the game's events.  I admit people have an inexplicable (to me) love for Loghain, which I just can't wrap my head around, even years later.  

 

Suffice to say I don't see execution of Loghain as a 'tragedy' from my perspective. How he's executed is, but the actual execution, no.  His fall from hero to zero is a tragedy, but it's a fall he orchestrated with each crime he committed.  There is no option to remove him from the Landsmeet (like you do Alistair) for execution.  To me, the 'choice' I am given is akin to 'do I want to get shot in the left or the right side of my brain?', that's how strongly I feel about it.  

If you like him, more power to you.  There is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to play the game.  Dragon Age is a personal experience we are allowed to share with others on the BSN, but that rarely equates to understanding.  Because you love Loghain, for you the choice is easy.  For me, not so much.  

[Ryzaki]

Eh I giggle watching Anora get splathered with Loghain's blood.

 

Then marry her to Alistair.

 

LOL

 

That only gets topped by my PC being Alistair's mistress afterwards.

[Dabrikishaw]

Anoras face is only pretty with her fathers blood on it.

You said it.

[CrystalXPredator]

Can I ask you all how to met Anora in DA:I?? I was sided with Templars in my first playtrough but never got a scene or quest in my table war, is that scene only if you go with the mages? would be nice if someone could me explain what I need to do exactly. 'cause im starting with a second playtrough to get my personal best ending.

[Ogillardetta]

Can I ask you all how to met Anora in DA:I?? I was sided with Templars in my first playtrough but never got a scene or quest in my table war, is that scene only if you go with the mages? would be nice if someone could me explain what I need to do exactly. 'cause im starting with a second playtrough to get my personal best ending.

You have to side with the mages to meet the king and/or queen of ferelden.

[PorcelynDoll]

I'm mad that Calperina stole her hair style.

[CrystalXPredator]

You have to side with the mages to meet the king and/or queen of ferelden.

hmm okay ... well then I should go with the mages now, sadly it wasn't available for templars as well

thank you for helping me :-)