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[dreamgazer]

Omega is a lot better than it gets credit for on here, both its level design and role-playing ideas, but Montreal needs to refine their QA and brighten their storytelling techniques a bit.

[Catastrophy]

Less Zombie Apocalypse more Sci-Fi.

[Rittmeister64]

after they sabotaged their own Universe in ME3, it's hard to figure out how to continue the series.

the reapers were great enemies - but the starkid turned them into a ridiculous joke because the writers worship Ray Kurzweil and transhumanism.

too bad.

I doubt they adapt the synthesis ending as their canon. It's just super boring when everybody is running around with green glowing eyes, half machine.

The control ending is ridiculous too. Just imagine the damn reapers helping rebuild the galaxy, with Shepard-AI in control.

They could of course make AI-Shep go rogue and repeat the whole cycle, but that would basically be like p**ing on Shep's grave.

So I guess, Destroy will be canon ending. And the new Arch Enemy might be the guys who built the reapers. We don't know much about them. Maybe they live in another galaxy, or also in dark space now.

Whatever they do, I WANT an new Mass Effect, and I hope they realize that it doesn't hurt the series if you actually also provide the chance for a happy ending with drinks on the beach with some of your buddies. You don't have to write an ending like Franz Kafka to finish a good story.

[Element Zero]

I think we do know a fair bit about "the guys who built the Reapers". They are pretty forthcoming when you meet them.

I think the next game will ignore the Reaper War as much as possible. I agree that the Destroy ending is the only one to easily follow up with a new story. The Reapers can't be left hanging over the galaxy if we are truly finished with that tale. Of course, that means no Geth, for starters, which is slightly sad and wasteful after three games building them up. That's why Mac has been accused of "salting the earth". It is almost as if they tried to make sequels difficult. I'm not sure what they were thinking, but that's an old, tired discussion.

BioWare fans are a strange lot. Their insistence that the studio not pick "canon" events for future games is bizarre. Other IPs do it all the time. Why the heck can't the next Mass Effect assume a particular ending to the trilogy without making random fan #48568 feel like her entire experience has been "invalidated"? So strange and needy.

I believe the first trilogy will be acknowledged in passing, maybe as lightly as Revan's gender and role were acknowledged in KotOR 2. I thought that was amusing the way Obsidian gave us a nod while telling a completely different story. If the fans don't obsessively (insanely?) expect their individual choices to be fully explored in the next game, I think they'll see that even the ending conundrum can be mostly circumvented by good writers.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I doubt you're the only one.

 

I don't care about the single player portion of it, since I don't think there's anywhere they can go that I'm interested in (but I'm open to being surprised in that regard.) I'm very interested to see how they follow up the multiplayer, especially if they address the various bugs and design issues that plagued it.

[Iakus]

 
BioWare fans are a strange lot. Their insistence that the studio not pick "canon" events for future games is bizarre. Other IPs do it all the time. Why the heck can't the next Mass Effect assume a particular ending to the trilogy without making random fan #48568 feel like her entire experience has been "invalidated". So strange and needy.
 

Bioware has stated for years that there was no canon to Mass Effect.  Or rather we made our own canon.

 

I cannot see how this can continue after RGB wihtout utterly trivializing a choice that essentially rewrites the galaxy.

 

Then there's those of us who can't write their own canon without modding the game...

[Rittmeister64]

 

Then there's those of us who can't write their own canon without modding the game...

MEHEM mod is better than control and synthesis ending. I can deal with Shep dying during the Destroy-ending as some kind of Neo-Jesus who saved the galaxy, but I can't deal with Asari running around with green eyes like this is some kind of Cyberpunk novel, and I sure can't abide Reapers suddenly helping rebuild the destruction after all the abominations they created before. The whole Starkid story is nonsense. "hey, we just wanted to save biological life from extinction, so we liquified you, turned you into Banshees, put you on huge spikes, and turned you into techno-zombies." YEAH SUUURE.

[Iakus]

MEHEM mod is better than control and synthesis ending. I can deal with Shep dying during the Destroy-ending as some kind of Neo-Jesus who saved the galaxy, but I can't deal with Asari running around with green eyes like this is some kind of Cyberpunk novel, and I sure can't abide Reapers suddenly helping rebuild the destruction after all the abominations they created before. The whole Starkid story is nonsense. "hey, we just wanted to save biological life from extinction, so we liquified you, turned you into Banshees, put you on huge spikes, and turned you into techno-zombies." YEAH SUUURE.

Well, let me put it this way:

 

If Destroy didn't come with a synthetic holocaust as a nonnegotiable requirement, I could have dealt with the breath scene's "speculations".

[Loufi]

I want a new Mass Effect, for me 3 games aren't enough for this awesome universe.

[themikefest]

I'm looking forward to the next ME game. I like for the game to do well. I will preorder the game when that time comes. 

 

I do believe it will be released  Spring 2016

[ImaginaryMatter]

I'm not particularly excited. I was really excited for DA:I but now that it's released and the hype has died down I'm not in a rush to purchase or complete it -- and I'm a bigger fan of that series since the departure of atmosphere and tone the series took from ME1 to ME2 and ME3. I don't doubt the game will be entertaining, but the appeal of the series for me was that it was unique; without that I find it doesn't compare as favorably to other shooters in space.

[goishen]

I want a new Mass Effect, for me 3 games aren't enough for this awesome universe.

 

 

Hell, twelve games isn't enough of this awesome universe.

[GalacticWolf5]

MEHEM is so pathetic. Come on, people! Why can't you accept a perfectly fine ending? There isn't always a super happy ending for everything, sometimes the hero dies at the end of the story.

 

I can't believe that people are so in denial of the endings they decided to create one. You don't have control over everything and you have to accept it. You can't change a story because you didn't like it or simply didn't understand it.

[GalacticWolf5]

you have got to be kidding me thats just the classic thing the pro ending people and of course Bioware pull:

people hated on the ending because it wasn't a happy ending lol no people hated it and most still do because its bad writing that butchers the lore and the whole trilogy (especially Synthesis, god what an abonimation)

 

and why is MEHEM pathetic? I don't like the version where they added/changed too much (thats why I like the one I posted a link of) but its a nice fan creation and it makes many people happy some even started new playthroughs again etc. basically the things Bioware failed at 

 

no one is forcing MEHEM on you many think the whole starchild, control, synthesis asspull at the end is bad so they want it gone I can't blame them

 

Oh please tell me how it ''butchers the lore and the whole trilogy''?

 

Bioware didn't fail. Some people didn't like the ending because they felt the Catalyst A.I. came out of nowhere, I don't agree with this but I understand. But if you played the Leviathan DLC, you have no right to say those things because when you meet Leviathan, it tells you about this A.I. that they made and that it created the Reapers and etc, and all of this prepares you for the ending where you'll finally see the Catalyst and be like: ''Oh that's what Leviathan was talking about! It all makes sense now!'' That's why I don't understand why people still don't accept the endings because of the Catalyst. It didn't come out of nowhere and it does makes sense.

 

If you think the Catalyst, Control and Synthesis (funny that you didn't mention Destroy....) are bad and you want them gone, why do you even play the game? If you don't agree with how a story ends why don't you just stop playing the game? You're not creating the game, you can't change those kinds of things. It's not your game, you are not writing it. It just proves that people who chose to have MEHEM are crybabies that are not happy because the game didn't end the way they wanted it to or that they just didn't undestand the ending even though it was really simple.

[GalacticWolf5]

so I have to pay for a DLC to "get" the big picture what kind of joke is that? you are probably right that if the Leviathan DLC was already in the main game + EC people wouldn't have complained this much but they weren't and that the player can only understand the ending if he buys the DLC is just silly

 

I keep playing the Trilogy because I'm invested in the characters and the story why should I let Bioware ruin my awesome experience just because they were sleeping or high or were being artistic in the last 15 minutes

thank god awesome fan creations like MEHEM exist but even without them I just headcanon the things I don't like about the ending got a problem with that too? 

 

 also lol at you calling the people who have MEHEM crybabies you are the silly one here who has nothing better to do then to whine about other fans who don't like bad writing as much as you do

 

Yeah I know that it kinda sucks that you have to pay for Leviathan DLC, but you don't really have to. The first time I played ME3, I only had the EC (which is free). I didn't have any other DLCs and the ending was perfect for me. You don't need the DLC to understand the ending, it only prepares you for it. I thought the catalyst thing was nice.

 

We all have headcanons. I personally don't have headcanons that contradict with canon. Mine are usually some conversations that the crew has on the Normandy, what happens after the ending and Shepard's life before ME1. And if there's something new, lets say in the comics or even in ME:Next, that contradicts with one of my headcanons, it simply won't exist anymore. There's canon and headcanon, 2 different things.

 

I have to admit crybabies is a strong word, but you get the point. And I'm not whining about other fans, I'm just giving my opinion.

 

Oh and you still haven't answered my question as to how the ending ''ruined the lore and the whole trilogy'' and is ''bad writting''?

[GalacticWolf5]

this has been discussed to death but I will try to point out my major complaints:

 

- no war assets matter, all the choices you made during the Trilogy mean jack **** just read some of the promises Bioware made before ME3 launch 

- the motivations of the reapers contradict the way they acted in the previous games and they are also just lame :http://fc00.devianta...ord-d4t5urj.jpg

 

- the catalyst existence contradicts ME1 ending and the fact that Shepard just trusts this supposed reaper boss is even more laughable (and he appears as that freaking child from earth) to me its obvious that he is evil  

 

- control doesn't fit not even a renegade shepard since 10 minutes before every Shepard said to TIM that he was wrong and that this was power no one should have, like he said in the whole game but I suppose getting hit my Harbingers beam had side effects

 

- synthesis is what Saren (replay Virmire mission) and the reapers wanted all along EDI's I'm alive is also ridiculous since she was already "normal" in my playthrough when you pick the dialouge choices with her wanting to become more like organics,

 

--> the same with the geth/quarian peace option in Rannoch, no one has to turn green peace can exist but of course Bioware didn't want any of that and Shepard doesn't even question what the Catalyst was blabbering

 

- destroy with Geth and EDI dying is just Bioware forcing their transhuman **** on us I will take John P's Alternate MEHEM over it any day

EDI survives and the Geth do too 

 

I don't care about Shepard dying I actually think that its fitting just the complete convo with the catalyst and the endings (without any mods) make me angry as hell 

I loved the reapers as villians but they ruined them in the final minutes by turning them somehow into good guys especially in the Synthesis ending 

everyone forgot what they did to the trillions of people's all the husks, Banshee etc. can throw a party with the green people, just freaking great

 

- Yeah I know that it sucks you don't see your war assets in the last mission, but they still matter. Ever heard of EMS? The thing that changes the ending? And about all your choices, they do matter. It's not because you don't see every single one of them that they don't matter.

 

- I admit that it's a bit strange but it's not that big of a deal. I guess some Reapers are just more arrogant than others. Each Reaper has a different personality (we've seen it from Sovereign, Harbinger and that Destroyer on Rannoch).

 

- How does it contradict ME1's endings? It really doesn't... And the Catalyst appears as the kid from Earth because it manifested itself as something Shepard would understand (this kind of thing happens 2 or 3 times in the Trilogy). Why it chose this form? I don't know, maybe because seeing that kid die impacted Shep. And why would he not trust it? What other choices does he have? He's at the Crucible, the thing they've been building to defeat the Reapers, the 3 options are there and the Catalyst only explains them.

 

- TIM wanted to use the Reapers for humanity only. He wanted to make Humans superior by using the Reapers. Shep might change his idea of Control because now it's fully explained and he undestand eveything he could achieve for the galaxy.

 

- You're talking like the Reapers are evil and that choosing Synthesis makes them win. Yes, in way, it makes them ''win'' but they're not evil. Synthesis stops the conflict between Organics and Synthetics, which is why the Reapers exist. The Reapers are not evil, they're only doing what they were programmed to do. (And yeah, walking around with Reaperized people is extra creepy.)

 

- Loosing the Geth and EDI if you chose Destroy is part of the story. It's a sacrifice. It's part of the choice, accept it. I'm gonna say it again, you're not making the game, you don't decide everything.

[Predator5209]

No, you are not alone. I want to be excited, but until we get a definitive answer on what actually happened in Mass Effect 3, I don't feel comfortable giving Bioware the satisfaction.

 

I still feel like I've been kicked between the legs every time I watch the ending.

[Mcfly616]

"what actually happened"...?

[goishen]

I'll always keep comparing the ends of ME3 to the end of Dexter (Showtime TV series).   Why?   Well, because both times people thought they were excellent series' up until the very end which decidedly ruined them for most viewers/players.  

 

I'll talk mostly about the ending of Dexter here, seeing as that's the one that I know the most about.  The ending was very symbolic for me.  Letting Deb go in the ocean surrounded by a white sheet symbolizing her innocence indicated, to me at least, that Dexter was letting go of all the good things in his life that he had ever, and would ever, know.   The place where he buried bodies.  The place where he lost the only thing that mattered to him by a rival.  By somebody that he had on his table.  And by somebody that he let go.  Then, once he does kill his rival, the police witness it (one of Dexter's last days of work)...    They say, "Looks like a clean kill to me."   "This piece of **** needed to die."   When you can obviously tell that if either of them were in their correct mind's, they wouldn't have felt this way.  They were too overcome with emotion with Deb's death and vengeance.  And who better to exact that vengeance than her brother?

 

Now, I know that ME3 isn't Dexter.  However, you can still respect the decisions that ME3 did by looking at it through the the Dexter lens.  I'm not saying you have to agree with it.  But at least god damned respect it.