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[Jeradon]

After the dark saga of Origins, DA 2 feels small scale and the combat mechanics are dull, but it is fast paced, and it is full of OMG moments. From the onset, you and your  colourful team will have to face murky little plots, and there will always be an epic fight when you are not expecting it. Give it a try! 

[GoldenGail3]

No. Skip DA2. It's crap, I'm telling you, utter crap. But it's worth playing once. And only once, it's too.. Small and it's combat is super fast, it's not very good. And I'm agreeing with the others who said this, but play DAO first. Skip DA2.

[Natureguy85]

No. Skip DA2. It's crap, I'm telling you, utter crap. But it's worth playing once. And only once,

 

So skip it but play it once lol. I know what you mean. It's a paradox.

[GoldenGail3]

So skip it but play it once lol. I know what you mean. It's a paradox.

Yeah. A Paradox. But I hated both Hawke (almost everything about Hawke I hated) and DA2. But it's better to play DA2 once for the keep. Then don't play it again. DA2... Was a nightmare, omg, I wish that they made Origins 2 becuase DA2 wasn't needed or wanted.

[Cyrus Amell]

To answer the original question I would say yes, if you can get it cheap. I think $10 is the most I would pay for it. But don't buy the DLC, just watch someone play them on Youtube. 

 

Yeah. A Paradox. But I hated both Hawke (almost everything about Hawke I hated) and DA2. But it's better to play DA2 once for the keep. Then don't play it again. DA2... Was a nightmare, omg, I wish that they made Origins 2 becuase DA2 wasn't needed or wanted.

 

I quite agree. If they had simply refined the DAO engine rather than making an entirely new game then they might have had time for some decent world building. Of course, it could still have been good if they had spent more than a year polishing the game. That would have been nice too. 

[Natureguy85]

Yeah. A Paradox. But I hated both Hawke (almost everything about Hawke I hated) and DA2. But it's better to play DA2 once for the keep. Then don't play it again. DA2... Was a nightmare, omg, I wish that they made Origins 2 becuase DA2 wasn't needed or wanted.

 

Yeah, DA2 had horribly one dimensional characters. There were a few high points. I liked when I hired the slave elf and Fenris complained. When I said I was giving her a job, he was like "Oh." But Anders sucked. Varric was cool but not as fun as Oghren. But Merril's mirror wasn't used for it's own sake, but rather to set up the Keeper's death, even though we saw other Eluvian in the Dalish Elf Origin and Witch Hunt. Ander was awful and they didn't really get into what it's actually like for him to be combined with Justice. I actually did like that Anders claimed his bomb making was about trying to pull Justice out to get you to go along with it, but some people hated that.

 

I like that they tried to do something a bit different but they didn't deliver on their promise of a more personal story. Hawke is just pushed along by the plot more than being an active protagonist. That could make a good story but it makes for a crappy game, where interactivity is the strength of the medium. Important character growth time happens during the time skips.

[GoldenGail3]

Yeah, DA2 had horribly one dimensional characters. There were a few high points. I liked when I hired the slave elf and Fenris complained. When I said I was giving her a job, he was like "Oh." But Anders sucked. Varric was cool but not as fun as Oghren. But Merril's mirror wasn't used for it's own sake, but rather to set up the Keeper's death, even though we saw other Eluvian in the Dalish Elf Origin and Witch Hunt. Ander was awful and they didn't really get into what it's actually like for him to be combined with Justice. I actually did like that Anders claimed his bomb making was about trying to pull Justice out to get you to go along with it, but some people hated that.
 
I like that they tried to do something a bit different but they didn't deliver on their promise of a more personal story. Hawke is just pushed along by the plot more than being an active protagonist. That could make a good story but it makes for a crappy game, where interactivity is the strength of the medium. Important character growth time happens during the time skips.

Why did people want a more personal story? Oh wait, it was the fans bases fault this time. I think Bioware really stretches what the fans want and over excesses it's use. Like ME3's ending for example...

[Natureguy85]

Why did people want a more personal story? Oh wait, it was the fans bases fault this time. I think Bioware really stretches what the fans want and over excesses it's use. Like ME3's ending for example...

 

I don't know that it was from some fan outcry. I think it was just to do something different and I give them credit for that. Their execution sucked, so that credit only goes so far. I don't know how ME3's ending was stretching what the fans wanted. It really had nothing the fans wanted, nor what was promised.

[KaiserShep]

I'm one of those weirdos around these parts that can actually play DA2 more than Origins, and enjoy more of the companions in 2 as well, particularly Varric vs. Oghren, the latter of which became nigh unbearable in his Awakening appearance. Then there's my undying love for Hawke.

[GoldenGail3]

I'm one of those weirdos around these parts that can actually play DA2 more than Origins, and enjoy more of the companions in 2 as well, particularly Varric vs. Oghren, the latter of which became nigh unbearable in his Awakening appearance. Then there's my undying love for Hawke.

So your like the DA2 liking version of myself. Well, good for you anyhow.

[AnimalBoy]

I can't believe anyone would actually suggest skipping an entire game in a series. Anyway, i would play DA2 again before Origins anyday. Not even close for me. DA2 has my favorite main character, my favorite city setting and my favorite companion. (Aveline)

[MichaelN7]

If you're still on the fence, I'd say play it for the story (i.e. "Casual" difficulty, don't worry about the side quests or loot).

The combat system in DA2 is very different from Origins, and should be a good primer for how it'll be in Inquisition.

 

I find the character arcs to be engaging, so I recommend the companion quests.

The Friendship/Rivalry system is clever, even if it needs some clarification.

It probably sells for cheap now, and if the item packs are included, then that's all the loot you'll ever need.

 

Definitely play "Legacy", but the other DLC's are fun too.

 

I can honestly say that you'll miss out on one of the biggest moments of Inquisition if you don't play DA2 beforehand.

[vbibbi]

I can't believe anyone would actually suggest skipping an entire game in a series. Anyway, i would play DA2 again before Origins anyday. Not even close for me, DA 2 has my favorite main character, my favorite city setting and my favorite companion. (Aveline)

Love your avatar, did you make it?

 

 

 

I really do enjoy DA2, warts and all. I give its flaws a lot more leeway than DAI because of its extremely rushed development time, whereas DAI had much more time and still fell flat for me. Yes, the companions can be one dimensional at times and I get tired of the feuds between Fenris Anders and Merrill, but I still enjoy all of them (except Sebastian, but he becomes interesting at the end and I actually liked his appearance in DAI). If the recycled maps hadn't occurred, if the enemies jumping from the sky hadn't occurred, if we had gotten a more substantial Act 3 and revised the ending a bit, I could have absolutely loved DA2 as one of the best games. As it stands, I still really enjoy it.

[Natureguy85]

I can't believe anyone would actually suggest skipping an entire game in a series. Anyway, i would play DA2 again before Origins anyday. Not even close for me, DA 2 has my favorite main character, my favorite city setting and my favorite companion. (Aveline)

 

Why not? Obviously you like DA2, but let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that you didn't. Let's say you thought it was the worst game ever. Would you really recommend it just because it was part of a series? It's not like it was a straight trilogy like Mass Effect where you wouldn't know what was going on if you skipped one game. I didn't play Inquisition but does it really rely on DA2 other than for how the war started? DA2 didn't rely on Origins except for the intro.

[vbibbi]

Why not? Obviously you like DA2, but let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that you didn't. Let's say you thought it was the worst game ever. Would you really recommend it just because it was part of a series? It's not like it was a straight trilogy like Mass Effect where you wouldn't know what was going on if you skipped one game. I didn't play Inquisition but does it really rely on DA2 other than for how the war started? DA2 didn't rely on Origins except for the intro.

I think DAI does rely more on DA2 (and a bit on DAO) than DA2 did for DAO. But it's not vital and I don't think someone who has only played DAI will miss out on a lot of content, they just won't understand some references. If players don't mind not completely understanding all side content, it's fine. In most cases, they wouldn't even know that they're missing a previous reference.

 

It's hard to say, though, since I've only played DAI after playing both other games. It's kind of like WEWH, where I had already read TME so I had a better understanding of the quest, and it wasn't until I read the forums that I realized that people who hadn't read the book were at a severe disadvantage in understanding the quest well. Yes, the player can still complete WEWH and understand the story, it would just be much less detailed of an understanding of the histories and personalities of the three politicians.

[AnimalBoy]

Love your avatar, did you make it?

 

 

 

I really do enjoy DA2, warts and all. I give its flaws a lot more leeway than DAI because of its extremely rushed development time, whereas DAI had much more time and still fell flat for me. Yes, the companions can be one dimensional at times and I get tired of the feuds between Fenris Anders and Merrill, but I still enjoy all of them (except Sebastian, but he becomes interesting at the end and I actually liked his appearance in DAI). If the recycled maps hadn't occurred, if the enemies jumping from the sky hadn't occurred, if we had gotten a more substantial Act 3 and revised the ending a bit, I could have absolutely loved DA2 as one of the best games. As it stands, I still really enjoy it.

 

 

 

I wish i did, but no. I'm just someone who goes around looking for good fan art and since my Hawke was close friends with Anders and i'm a lover of animals in real life i figured Ander with Ser Pounce-a-lot was a no brainer. Doesn't hurt that it's really well done.

 

I don't want to say that i like the companions in 2 more then Origins because i like Morrigan, Leliana, Shale and especially Dog. But my Hawke was close friends with all his companions except maybe Fenris who was a friend but barely. I didn't really use Varric or Sebastian except when necessary because Isabela was my rogue of choice. Though i did try and use Sebastian here and there considering i had to pay for him. I wish Hawke could have had a more physical confrontation with Sebastian once Sebastian started threatening Hawke and Anders about invading Kirkwall if you leave Anders alive. (Which i did) Considering that my Hawke is best friends with Aveline and Anders i was more then happy to send Cullen's military to assist Aveline in pushing Sebastian and his army out of Kirkwall.

 

That's another thing i love about 2. Being an extremely mage friendly Hawke (Not a mage myself but i like to play my Hawke as a protective older brother who would do anything for his mage sister.) i thought that Aveline and my Hawke would constantly clash but she ended up becaming one of Hawke's best friends. The caves are obviously repetitive but i was someone who found that ironic story wise more then being annoyed with it. Plus i was someone who thought that the fighting style in Origins was a bit slow and that the game itself was a little dragged out. So i liked DA 2's faster fighting style and shorter story. One last thing that puts DA 2 over the top for me is that male Hawke's voice sounds like Timothy Dalton to me and since i'm a Bond fan that can only be a plus.

[AnimalBoy]

Why not? Obviously you like DA2, but let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that you didn't. Let's say you thought it was the worst game ever. Would you really recommend it just because it was part of a series? It's not like it was a straight trilogy like Mass Effect where you wouldn't know what was going on if you skipped one game. I didn't play Inquisition but does it really rely on DA2 other than for how the war started? DA2 didn't rely on Origins except for the intro.

 

 

Depends on what kind of person you are. I'm a completist so i actually would. When i first started playing Bioware games i was strictly a Mass Effect guy and didn't give Dragon Age a chance until i finished playing the first two Mass Effect games and had to wait until i could afford the DLCs for Mass Effect 3 before i started playing the third. Origins is a great game  and i would recommend it now for sure but i kept finding myself originally comparing it to the Mass Effect games and not liking it as much compared to them. (Though i was a fan of a lot of the companions in Origins) so i didn't start off raving about Origins and with other people that might have been enough to make people not want to finish it or give the other two a chance but i started it and finished it and moved on to 2 and Inquisition and i absolutely love both of them. So yeah, i probably would recommend a game i didn't like to someone else because you never know. They may like it when i didn't and i believe in sticking things out to finish the whole thing. i'd feel incomplete if i didn't.

[vbibbi]

Aveline is one of my favorite DA companions. I have never had the will to rival her, so I don't know what that path is like, but her friendship is so good. She's such a well rounded and realistic character, and one of the strengths of the character writing in DA2. I enjoy Anders and what he represents, but I do think he could have been better portrayed as falling down a dark path. I don't know if it was the rushed development time or if it would have occurred the same way with more generous deadlines, but he should have been much more like DAA Anders in Act 1, have some transitions in Act 2, and only be the one note mage rebellion character in a  longer Act 3.

 

It is a hurdle for storytelling to have large time gaps between action, so if character development comes in those gaps, we need some method of accessing the changes once we're back in the action. And DA2 didn't do that as well as it needed to. Not just the change in environment from year to year, but getting more hands on with how the companions have changed, apart from the "Companion in the Last Three Years" quest we get each act.

 

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know if Bio was really up to that task, regardless of development time. I'd like to think they could, but it sounds challenging for a single-narrative novel, so compounding that with multiple paths and a more interactive medium makes it seem more unlikely.

[AnimalBoy]

Aveline is one of my favorite DA companions. I have never had the will to rival her, so I don't know what that path is like, but her friendship is so good. She's such a well rounded and realistic character, and one of the strengths of the character writing in DA2. 

 

Absolutely. I went from not thinking i'd care for Aveline when i first started playing the game to her becoming my favorite companion in the series to the point where i named my mount in Inquisition and my Nug plush after her. I'd only change one thing about her story...

 

[vbibbi]

I like that she's not romanceable, though, because strong friendships are often sidelined in stories in favor of romantic ones. I normally play as male Hawke, so it's additionally nice to have an opposite-sex friendship that doesn't turn into a romance. It's not that a romance with Aveline would have been bad, just that it's good as is.

[AnimalBoy]

I like that she's not romanceable, though, because strong friendships are often sidelined in stories in favor of romantic ones. I normally play as male Hawke, so it's additionally nice to have an opposite-sex friendship that doesn't turn into a romance. It's not that a romance with Aveline would have been bad, just that it's good as is.

 

 

While i  understand those points, i also look at it in another light where a friendship can make a romantic relationship even stronger and vice versa. I would have gladly taken away the option to romance Isabela or Merrill and keep one of them as a friends only option if replaced with Aveline.  I stated that Aveline was one of my Hawke's cloesest friends so i would have liked to have built a romantic relationship with her based on that. She is one of the people who has known Hawke the longest afterall. Not complaining but Bioware seems to have it in for me when it comes to romantic options. I'm quite happy with Isabela and Cassandra but if the options were available i would have chosen Aveline and Sera (I play as male only.)

[vbibbi]

While i  understand those points, i also look at it in another light where a friendship can make a romantic relationship even stronger and vice versa. I would have gladly taken away the option to romance Isabela or Merrill and keep one of them as a friends only option if replaced with Aveline.  I stated that Aveline was one of my Hawke's cloesest friends so i would have liked to have built a romantic relationship with her based on that. She is one of the people who has known Hawke the longest afterall. Not complaining but Bioware seems to have it in for me when it comes to romantic options. I'm quite happy with Isabela and Cassandra but if the options were available i would have chosen Aveline and Sera (I play as male only.)

I get that view and nothing against it, I just prefer my view (never see that online!).

[Natureguy85]

 

I don't want to say that i like the companions in 2 more then Origins because i like Morrigan, Leliana, Shale and especially Dog. But my Hawke was close friends with all his companions except maybe Fenris who was a friend but barely. I didn't really use Varric or Sebastian except when necessary because Isabela was my rogue of choice. Though i did try and use Sebastian here and there considering i had to pay for him. I wish Hawke could have had a more physical confrontation with Sebastian once Sebastian started threatening Hawke and Anders about invading Kirkwall if you leave Anders alive. (Which i did) Considering that my Hawke is best friends with Aveline and Anders i was more then happy to send Cullen's military to assist Aveline in pushing Sebastian and his army out of Kirkwall.

 

While I do like Aveline, Varric, and Merril to some extent, the characters in DA2 were far more one dimensional and boring than in Origins. Anders and Fenris are the worst. For more on why that is, read below.

 

 

That's another thing i love about 2. Being an extremely mage friendly Hawke (Not a mage myself but i like to play my Hawke as a protective older brother who would do anything for his mage sister.) i thought that Aveline and my Hawke would constantly clash but she ended up becaming one of Hawke's best friends. The caves are obviously repetitive but i was someone who found that ironic story wise more then being annoyed with it. Plus i was someone who thought that the fighting style in Origins was a bit slow and that the game itself was a little dragged out. So i liked DA 2's faster fighting style and shorter story. One last thing that puts DA 2 over the top for me is that male Hawke's voice sounds like Timothy Dalton to me and since i'm a Bond fan that can only be a plus.

 

 

 

Aveline is one of my favorite DA companions. I have never had the will to rival her, so I don't know what that path is like, but her friendship is so good. She's such a well rounded and realistic character, and one of the strengths of the character writing in DA2. I enjoy Anders and what he represents, but I do think he could have been better portrayed as falling down a dark path. I don't know if it was the rushed development time or if it would have occurred the same way with more generous deadlines, but he should have been much more like DAA Anders in Act 1, have some transitions in Act 2, and only be the one note mage rebellion character in a  longer Act 3.

 

It is a hurdle for storytelling to have large time gaps between action, so if character development comes in those gaps, we need some method of accessing the changes once we're back in the action. And DA2 didn't do that as well as it needed to. Not just the change in environment from year to year, but getting more hands on with how the companions have changed, apart from the "Companion in the Last Three Years" quest we get each act.

 

I'm going to be honest and say I don't know if Bio was really up to that task, regardless of development time. I'd like to think they could, but it sounds challenging for a single-narrative novel, so compounding that with multiple paths and a more interactive medium makes it seem more unlikely.

 

And you've just hit on one of, if not the, biggest reasons DA2 wasn't that good. In a narrative more focused on a character, you play 3 short windows into a decade of that character's life. You see Hawke with people he or she has had, eventually, 10 years of adventures and experiences with, but don't experience most of it. Other important events, such as Hawke becoming a notable figure that Varric wants to approach or Anders' change from Awakening due to Justice, happen off screen. Thus, the time periods that would actually change these characters are skipped.  This is the same problem that Attack of the Clones had. We are told Anakin and Obi-Wan had a bunch of experience together but we don't see them. So the stories are meant to imply that they are friends, but all we see is the conflict between them. As I'm sure we have all heard, "show, don't tell."

 

 

I like that she's not romanceable, though, because strong friendships are often sidelined in stories in favor of romantic ones. I normally play as male Hawke, so it's additionally nice to have an opposite-sex friendship that doesn't turn into a romance. It's not that a romance with Aveline would have been bad, just that it's good as is.

 

I agree, but that whole arc with Donnic is painful.

[sniper_arrow]

Despite its obvious flaws, I quite enjoyed the game. Though there are times I wished it could've been made better.

[vbibbi]

While I do like Aveline, Varric, and Merril to some extent, the characters in DA2 were far more one dimensional and boring than in Origins. Anders and Fenris are the worst. For more on why that is, read below.

 

 

 

And you've just hit on one of, if not the, biggest reasons DA2 wasn't that good. In a narrative more focused on a character, you play 3 short windows into a decade of that character's life. You see Hawke with people he or she has had, eventually, 10 years of adventures and experiences with, but don't experience most of it. Other important events, such as Hawke becoming a notable figure that Varric wants to approach or Anders' change from Awakening due to Justice, happen off screen. Thus, the time periods that would actually change these characters are skipped.  This is the same problem that Attack of the Clones had. We are told Anakin and Obi-Wan had a bunch of experience together but we don't see them. So the stories are meant to imply that they are friends, but all we see is the conflict between them. As I'm sure we have all heard, "show, don't tell."

 

 

 

I agree, but that whole arc with Donnic is painful.

I would argue that only Fenris and Anders are flat characters, used more for vehicles of their respective platforms on control of mages. I do wish they had been more fleshed out and not just differing viewpoints on the mage issue. Varric wasn't terribly deep but a decent character with conflict shown through Bartrand. I wonder if Bianca was going to appear in the Exalted Marches DLC, which would then have also provided more depth (not that I'm justifying character development relying on a DLC). As I mentioned, I think Aveline is a great companion, and I enjoy Isabella and Merrill. Merrill's story does suffer from the idiot ball a few times, but if I take her out of that context I can enjoy her.

 

With all that said, yes I do need to justify my like of the characters, and it shouldn't require so many justifications. And I honestly don't know if they would have changed at all with more development time; I think that time would have been spent more on plot and environments than additional character content.

 

The time skip is an issue and I can't claim confidence that Bio could have done it well even with more time. I do applaud them for trying something different. I agree that we should have seen more of the behind the scenes actions like Anders' decline and Hawke's rise. I also don't know why they made such large time gaps of three years. Really, Isabella was gone for three years, then shows up and everything is back to normal? Really, a romanced Fenris breaks it off and then three years later will come back if we haven't romanced anyone else in that time?

 

I think instead they should have framed the time change as gradual over the course of each act. There are the five main rumor quests in Act 1 before we can go on the expedition. Have each of those take place several months apart, and maybe have one of them take place before Varric meets Hawke, to demonstrate Hawke's growing reputation. Then have less of a time break between acts and show how the city has changed in that time. As it is, the city never changes, which I know what cut due to development time, but I always had trouble remembering which map I'd cleared because I had already explored it in a previous act and it looked identical.