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The Keep FAILED. I need a Save Game editor now.


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Kreidian

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I am beyond ****** pissed off at this now. Once again I went through every detail of my world state before importing, and once again I get completely different outcomes in my world state then what I have set. 

 

Tried several times to get the right save to work, every time Hawke turns from a rogue to a warrior in my playthrough. That's just one example.

 

I'm done with this now. I need a save game editor so I can fix all these stupid mistakes.


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Shechinah

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Did you check the timestamps in-game and compare it to the Keep to make sure they match?



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Grieving Natashina

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Did you check the timestamps in-game and compare it to the Keep to make sure they match?

This.  I've screwed that up before and was very confused for a bit as to why Bhelen wasn't ruling Orzammar.  :P



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Shechinah

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I was lucky enough to know of it beforehand. Ahh, the few perks of getting the game at the European date.



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Grieving Natashina

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I was enough to know of it beforehand. Ahh, the few perks of getting the game at the European date.

I was in the Keep beta, but I still forgot to double check.    So I really have no excuse.  :P



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Take a deep breath.

Some of the bugs are difficult to track, even an OPEN Beta period would have been hard pressed w/o direction to solve them.

Not sure a saved game editor will help until Bioware fixes a few things.  However, there are some tools to look at the file structure available - I use sourceforge tools for the most part.



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Take a deep breath.

Some of the bugs are difficult to track, even an OPEN Beta period would have been hard pressed w/o direction to solve them.

Not sure a saved game editor will help until Bioware fixes a few things.  However, there are some tools to look at the file structure available - I use sourceforge tools for the most part.

Do you have a link?



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Yes, I have in fact already tried all the obvious stuff. I wouldn't have bothered posting anything if I hadn't gone through and testing this SEVERAL TIMES, verifying timestamps and keep settings prior to every import, doubly setting the world states to try to make it go through, and in game I find all custom characters are ignored. Hawke still ends up as a moronically stupid warrior instead.

 

The Keep import Sucks balls and needs to be replaced with a proper save game editor until Keep Devs get their **** together.

 

Did I mention this is pissing me off?


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Can you even begin to imagine the negative repercussions of letting the players see the save file unencrypted? 

 

No?

 

Me neither.

 

It's a silly practice that should be ended.


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It is idiotic that the Keep import is identified by a long date stamp rather than by save game name when you import it. I also played for hours before finally realizing, when AListair showed up at Redcliffe married to friggin Anora rather than my warden, that something had gone wrong.



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Don't forget to export from the Keep itself. That's the data that is pulled when you import, NOT whatever save is loaded in the Keep.

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So far no one has anything useful beyond the painfully obvious advice. I would not have even created this thread if it was something that simple.

 

If you have a custom hero warden/hawke in your world state they are converted into one of the generic Default Heroes as soon as you import them into DAI. So not the same character, not the same name, often not even the same class.

 

I'm not waiting for Keep devs to fix this crap. Even if they did fix this, it probably won't be for some time, and it will probably require that I start a new game with a new import. In either case it does me no good whatsoever. The purpose of this thread is because the Keep failed to do it's job and I now want a tool to fix their mistake. Hence the save game editor.


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The "painfully obvious advice" is something missed by many and since you didn't mention what you've tried, it made sense to suggest it. If the purpose of the thread was meant only as a statement then you should have said so otherwise people might be inclined to offer assistance.


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Sorry OP, what you're asking for is a Christmas miracle.

Put DAI aside and play something else until they fix it.

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So far no one has anything useful beyond the painfully obvious advice. I would not have even created this thread if it was something that simple.

 

If you have a custom hero warden/hawke in your world state they are converted into one of the generic Default Heroes as soon as you import them into DAI. So not the same character, not the same name, often not even the same class.

 

I'm not waiting for Keep devs to fix this crap. Even if they did fix this, it probably won't be for some time, and it will probably require that I start a new game with a new import. In either case it does me no good whatsoever. The purpose of this thread is because the Keep failed to do it's job and I now want a tool to fix their mistake. Hence the save game editor.

The game ignores the characters names. However none of the codex entires talk about the names. Once you stick the playthrough ws into edit, then you change the heroes or set the dai choices in ach of the worldstates depending on what you did /what you want to happen.

So when you tell it to import a custom world state it does it but none of the choices match despite it being the correct time stamp?



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How exactly are you testing this? You're running through the entire first portion of the game to meet Hawke? Changing the worldstate doesn't affect an existing game.



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Asdrubael Vect

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It would be much better if they create a Save Game editor as a program and i do not believe that it was more difficult than creating a Keep because it is a lie



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OP, the odds are pretty darn good that you forgot to export it. I think most of us have done this at least once. 



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How exactly are you testing this? You're running through the entire first portion of the game to meet Hawke? Changing the worldstate doesn't affect an existing game.

 

First couple of playthroughs I noticed Hawke was always was the wrong class.

 

In the Keep there is a section under World States that shows the exported world states for your actual playthroughs. So after I noticed the errors I ran a number of tests trying to import the world states correctly, matching up the playthrough states with the actual imported states. Everytime I imported custom characters the resulting playthrough world state would show they changed to default characters, and often the wrong class. There were other errors I noticed, but that was the most blatant since Hawke shows up in game as the wrong class.



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In the keep, you have to confirm after you change to lock it in. It will also change class if you change your sibling stuff in DA2 or something that affects that., but it tells you about that. Sometimes the import fails in the character creator, so you have to watch that, too. I've had that happen if my internet is wonky, or if I change something, then change it back in the keep without exporting again If you want to be 100% sure of your import, check all the details to make sure everything is as it should be, Also make sure it's locked and unlocked at the appropriate times



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Sorry OP, what you're asking for is a Christmas miracle.

Put DAI aside and play something else until they fix it.

False, ALL bioware games have had Gamesave editors. Some were official, some not so much. I remember 2 weeks into ME3 having a Game save editor, for my XBox playthough. It had all the options included, who I saved, Who I killed. Upon seeing this thread my first reaction was to look for one. I thought I found one turned out to be a red herring. So yah, we need a save game editor, for at least the player options from previous games. Granted if fans make it, I hope it will include the usual list of cheats.  



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I should also point out I know the OP IRL, the OP works as a programmer (C,C++,and everything else), I know for a fact the OP will spend 6 days building a character. I know the OP has at least 4 complete playthoughs, and loves to play at the hardest setting on all games.

 

If the OP says, the game save came out wrong. 

 

1. The OP insured the Game data was correct

2. The OP checked the date of the save data, to the Keep and the Import

3. The OP played up to a point where the data was incorrect, stopped playing, made a new character, with a new import, and tried again. 

 

Me I would never have that level of commitment to a game, but since the OP actually makes money in a related industry, and has EVERY Bioware game (true passion me thinks). Do not assume incompetence or mistaken. 

 

The reality is I have encountered a number of stupid bugs with both the Keep and the imports. I just soldiered past and finished the game anyway, because I'm more mellow natured. 



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It would be much better if they create a Save Game editor as a program and i do not believe that it was more difficult than creating a Keep because it is a lie

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Who cares about the class of Hawke?

Its just the weapon in his/her back, it does nothing else...

 

Just... ignore it...



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Who cares about the class of Hawke?
Its just the weapon in his/her back, it does nothing else...
 
Just... ignore it...

We spend a lot of time designing our characters, the weapon is very much a part of the character design, but there is more. A failure to have the right Hawk means that other details which can change the game might be different. The weapon and class of Hawk is just the most noticeable error, if you choose the Mages, and your warden married Alistair, and Alistair is King making the Warden Queen how would you like seeing Anora and Alistair married? Which is a common bug people have noticed, and it is the same bug this thread relates to. 
 
Other things I have seen first hand. 

My worst case playthough, Dwarf Female Warden
DA:O - Morrigan did not have the old god child, Warden dies, Alistair King no marriage. (everyone dies, if possible)
DA2 - Mage Hawk, everyone dies, seriously if I could they die.
DA:I (results) Warden was a Dwarf, Morrigan had Alistairs god child, Hawk was loved and a warrior (at least the gender was right), Alistair was married to Anora. (WTF, she was imprisoned)

This happened to me on my second play-through, which was my horrible completion play-through. Basically, if you purposely set up different setups to illicit a set of responses and you don't get the correct responses to your choices it lessens the game. This is an actual issue that many have encountered, seems to me it's a partial import of keep data with key components failing to load correctly. Resulting in strange default responses in odd places.