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[Ieldra]

I think many people hate her because they are unwilling or unable to look beyond her arrogance.

 

Vivienne isn't a person you can like. You can respect her, you can appreciate her for several things, but you can't really like her. Meanwhile, she and my main Inquisitor have disagreements about mages and magic but she has good arguments for her position, which is why I don't dislike her for having them. She's the kind of person I can imagine having some interesting debates with. Also, she has good advice on leadership. Yes, she may use the Inquisition to further her own personal ends, but hey, so do I. Aspiring to power is not, by itself, a detestable trait. In fact, I appreciate her for being ambitious.

 

As odd as that may sound: I may not like her, but I'm a fan. She's one of those rare types: an ideological foil I can respect, and if she becomes Divine, yes, the Circles are reinstated but the mages' situation is still considerably improved from the pre-war state of things.

[ZipZap2000]

I can't decide whether I hate her or like her, to be honest.

 

Hate is a really strong word for a video game character.

[KaiserShep]

Hate is a really strong word for a video game character.

 

I dunno. I hated Arl Howe. Tim Curry sold that rotten bastard perfectly.

[Rifneno]

What's this thread?  Is Vivienne not a condescending, arrogant, self-righteous, self-superior assclown if you make decisions or something?

[Zeroth Angel]

I hate/like her at the same time if that makes any sense.

 

I like her as a character but me being the mage friendly dude that I am always end up having her greatly dissaprove everywhere.

 

There is also the fact that she keeps talking about how mages don't have it so bad, yet that's easy for her to say seeing how she lives the live of a noble.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

People hate fictional characters...

[KaiserShep]

Says that mages killing normal people causes fear and is intolerable yet she freezes a guy(a noble at that) and possibly kills him because "he was rude". Yeah that's not abuse of Mage power right there yeah?

 

She only kills the guy if you insist that he die, otherwise she lets him go. And he was ready to fight the Inquisitor to the death, so right then and there he declared himself an enemy combatant, albeit instantly neutralized.

[WildOrchid]

People really don't like characters that have any agency outside of validating the PC.

 

Truer words were never spoken. When a character has their own opinions/beliefs/etc and stands by them and doesn't lick the protag's boots, is pretty much hated.

[mikeymoonshine]

Example:

 

Says that mages killing normal people causes fear and is intolerable yet she freezes a guy(a noble at that) and possibly kills him because "he was rude". Yeah that's not abuse of Mage power right there yeah?

 

Then there is the whole deal with her having a mansion living outside of the tower, having a relationship with a Duke openly, and suspiciously killing said Duke(unclear?) but disagrees with you and even the tone of her voice changes towards you when you mention mages have the same freedom she has.

 

But all that is okay cause what? Cause she's right about the rebellion being a waste? I still think she is a viper who saw an chance to achieve the status and power she wanted so she took it by joining the Inquisition.

 

Well I think she was referring to Abominations and mages like Anders killing hundreds of people at once easily. Her point is that mages have the power to cause mass devastation so when a mage is driven to kill it is not the same as when a mundane is. I think she goes a little bit over the top with this but I don't think it's a hypocritical stance. The Marquis was insulting and threatening you and she only kills him if you tell her to do so.

 

Mages already have the same freedom she has (at least in her view) she lives in that mantion because she is allowed to despite being a mage. Many other mages were allowed to leave the circles. 

[Zeroth Angel]

Truer words were never spoken. When a character has their own opinions/beliefs/etc and stands by them and doesn't lick the protag's boots, is pretty much hated.

That's not true.

[FreshRevenge]

She is into politics and I hate politics. I did take her along on my last playthrough and she seems nice but she is also conniving. She joins the Inquisition for own political power and interest. I did her mission to try to save her love and I thought she isn't so heartless but at the end where she introduces you to the sister or cousin of the guy you tried to save. She points out that because of what you did gave her a spot of power or something like that. I was so angry because I don't like being used.

 

Plus she looks at people as pawns in a game. Not really actual people. She manipulates people into doing her dirty work. I won't do her mission now and I don't care if the guy dies because he dies regardless of what you did anyway.

[WildOrchid]

And whoever likes a particular character is called a ret@rd and other nice "gems". Actual quotes from the haters.

[KaiserShep]

Ugh. The Sera defenders are starting to migrate in. At least the usual Vivienne defenders can be talked to like a human being. Conversation is possible. Sera defenders operate on Insane Troll Logic that no healthy mind could hope to comprehend.

"Sera takes a swing at you for no reason and later draws an arrow on you for no reason, I don't think--"
"UR BAD Y U BAD U MUST H9 EVERY1 WHO DISAGREE WITH U"
"No, I can tole--"
"DO U RAPE KITTENS 2? HEY EVERYBODY, ITZ A KITTEN RAPIST!"

 

You merely adopted this thread. I was born in it. Molded by it.

[Rifneno]

And whoever likes a particular character is called a ret@rd and other nice "gems". Actual quotes from the haters.

What was that? Something about kittens?

[KaiserShep]

Kittens are good, however are forever tainted because the last kitten lover we got in Dragon Age turned out to be a terro....bad man.

[ZoliCs]

I hope a DLC lets me make her tranquil.  She wants the system back where other mages were made tranquil for minor offenses, so I think she should get it.

 

i want the option of sending viviene to the qunari; and have her submit to the qun for like a year.....that'll bring her down to earth. 

 

Not bad ideas. My idea was to make her fight the next Archdemon, because evidently we don't need Grey Wardens...

[Baerdface]

I don't hate her, I mostly agree with her about chantry. I can't stand Fiona and her rebel mages, their selfishness and constant "but what will happen to us?"  whining made me more sympathetic to what Vivienne has to say. And also made me restart the game and go with templars because they just make more sense to me. You already have the loyal mages with Vivienne and you can conscript the templars to join your cause eliminating the zealous "kill all mages" attitude by the fact that their leaders are dead and you are now in charge and can just tell them to not kill mages. Solved. Rebel mages are scum. They even left the apprentice mages and tranquils behind because they were "too weak". And sold themselves to tevinter. Scum. Templars want to fix the world, rebel mages are just with you because they had no other choice. Opportunistic scum. Vivienne is smug and condescending but also powerful and intelligent and a good ally to have.

[WildOrchid]

What was that? Something about kittens?

 

I find it pretty amusing how you act all so innocent.

[Rifneno]

Kittens are good, however are forever tainted because the last kitten lover we got in Dragon Age turned out to be a terro....bad man.

Hero. The word you're looking for is "hero."

I don't hate her, I mostly agree with her about chantry. I can't stand Fiona and her rebel mages, their selfishness and constant "but what will happen to us?"  whining made me more sympathetic to what Vivienne has to say. And also made me restart the game and go with templars because they just make more sense to me. You already have the loyal mages with Vivienne and you can conscript the templars to join your cause eliminating the zealous "kill all mages" attitude by the fact that their leaders are dead and you are now in charge and can just tell them to not kill mages. Solved. Rebel mages are scum. They even left the apprentice mages and tranquils behind because they were "too weak". And sold themselves to tevinter. Scum.

"Lyrium. The other red meat." isn't exactly better. Welcome to Dragon Age, where mages and templars compete to see who can be the dumbest, most dangerous bunch of psychopaths in Thedas in a truly sad attempt to make the "mages or templars?" question that every single game asks a "gray area."

I find it pretty amusing how you act all so innocent.

Says the person who whined about "everyone judging people by the way they act."

[WildOrchid]

Says the person who whined about "everyone judging people by the way they act."

 

And i knew you'd ignore my explanation later on. Keep being amusing. I love it.

 

Besides, weren't you who called people names for liking a character? My post is nowhere near offensive, as it was yours.

[Barquiel]

Above all, because it's easy to say that circles and templars are a great idea when you live in a palace and are probably the most privileged mage in Orlais.

[KaiserShep]

Hero. The word you're looking for is "hero."

 

I wonder if he got a hero's burial after Hawke gave him an edgy goodbye.

[KaiserShep]

Above all, because it's easy to say that circles and templars are a great idea when you live in a palace and are probably the most privileged mage in Orlais.

 

 She never claims that her position or level of comfort is any kind of standard of living among mages. Obviously to a less fortunate mage that lived in a Circle like, say, Kirkwall's, the outlook would be extremely different, but this is true for just about anything. The prospect of total freedom, regardless of the consequences, would be preferable to that sh**hole from that point of view. She flatly states that to some Circle life is abysmal, others merely tolerable, and some preferable to the lives they would have otherwise been leading. But mostly she goes on about the necessity of the system, not that they're actually great in and of themselves. It ties into her fear of magic and fear of possession, but I don't believe that she's wrong on the idea that mages need a sanctuary where they can learn the disciplines of magic among other mages. While I don't really side on the loyalist end of things, I do think that there's some merit to what she has to say.

[WildOrchid]

I'll admit, i personally don't agree with Viv's opinions at all and she and my mage qunari clashed a lot.

 

 

But i quite like bringing her with me in missions, she makes some pretty hilarious comments. I don't hate her at all, just... disagree a lot with her.