I like these topics. I don't go on Vivienne's own topic to read or comment, because why would I, there's only people who like her there so no point.
But it's nice to talk about it occasionally lol. Was just reading now and I like how people who don't like her, actually have logical arguments while the people who like her are forced into the "I like her and that's that" category. It's not their fault, there's really nothing good you can say about her character 
Anywho, was just thinking about somehting else regarding Vivienne. I don't think this is what they intended for the character. All the descriptions, all the PR, prior to game release is either clueless, or they thought they were making something else entirely... For example she's described as intelligent and cunning, a master of word play, able to put down anyone anywhere with just a few lines. What does she do when we first meet her? Uses her magic to threaten someone into submission. I know that character was oh so mean to our inq (so we can hate him and be all "yay she put him down like he deserves"), but first of all, the inquisitor would have been fine dealing with that clown on his/her own and second of all what happened to Viv's oh so clever mind? Someone else mentioned this as well somewhere on the forums, how "the Game" is all about being subtle and not say or do things like a peasant... and there she is acting like a derpie thug.
No point in mentioning her hypocrisy when it comes to how mages should be treated. She's a horrible person no matter how you try to look at her. Well, "person" might be too much.
So I was saying I don't think they intended to do this with her character. Or that they were really that clueless as to not realise what character they have created. My problem though is that it's obvious that we are meant to "like" her and to believe she is intelligent (see how you can't argue with her, because your character seems to be mentally retarded when in dialogue with her). It's all over the place. From her starting scene, presented in such a way that is obviously inteded to have the viewer fall on his/her ass in awe at how awesome Viv is, to the last appearances and to the fact that she gets to become divine, a move pulled out of the "end" that goes against lore, in game world status... well pretty much anything rational or logical. It's just crammed in there so everyone can see how fkn fantastic Viv is... really now...
Same bs with the qunari. They present them as monstrous (because they are) and dangerous. The worst you can have in a society (plenty of books and movies address that type of society and why it doesn't work, and not just fantasy, sociology and psychology deal with that too quite in depth, but eh). And then, they change direction. All of a sudden we are supposed to like the qunari... see IB for details. All of a sudden they're not so bad... and one of my favorite lines ever, "there's 2 sides to every story". Nope, not always. And if this isn't true, then why oh why didn't I have an option, when IB told me about the "awesome" alliance with the qunari, to tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine because there's no way in hell I would ever ally myself with savage drones who only care about spreading their idiotic religion? Or when on the mission and that intended dramatic moment happens, why can't I tell that idiotic drone elf that they should learn what an alliance is before going all hysterical child on me and running away with their toys? (meaning compromise for one and not dictating all terms and having the "you do this or I leave now!" attitude, which are more suited for a playground for stupid kids, not one for diplomatic relations between nations). Or, like with Vivienne, how the inquisitor seems to go into stupid mode when arguing with IB about the Qun.
Meh. Lol.
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