I certainly thought Alistair would be happier as a Warden on my first DAO playthrough, so a Warden he remained. After importing that world state into Inquisition, I am no longer certain of that decision.
As a king, he grows into the role. He isn't happy about being away from his mistress, the HoF, as much as he is, but the rumors in the Herald's Rest ("The power behind the throne") suggest that she's in Denerim more often than he lets on.
I let Anora rot in jail.
I mean, in my canon playthrough, she betrayed my Warden THREE times during the Landsmeet. Good riddance, Kallian thought.
So that's problem Anora gone, and he seemed to be happy enough. Considering he's not Hardened in that one, though...
Aversion to life at court...? Well... A king with the common touch...? Ok, you're making me uncertain.
But he sure dodged a bullet by becoming King.
He's actually going to dodge it again in my second PT, because randomHawke.
I... think... he's... errr... not unhappy?
I certainly thought Alistair would be happier as a Warden on my first DAO playthrough, so a Warden he remained. After importing that world state into Inquisition, I am no longer certain of that decision.
As a king, he grows into the role. He isn't happy about being away from his mistress, the HoF, as much as he is, but the rumors in the Herald's Rest ("The power behind the throne") suggest that she's in Denerim more often than he lets on.
I don't know how somebody like Alistair would fall for a woman he barely knew yet, he does and she betrays him by making him King and then forces him to marry Anora.
Is he happy as king? I think so since in DA:A he seems content. In the DA:A game I started tonight he barely acknowledges the woman he once love. 
I must have harden Alistair since I never had that to happen before.
He seemingly speaks crap of any Warden that made the dark ritual and did not romance him (meaning that he'll speak crap of your male HoF if he lives) and that's why I give two craps about the happiness of characters like Alistair, Isabella or Anders (hard feelings aside) whatever you do to keep them happy will be rather futile since they will always manage to screw it again and whine about it.I always thought having Alistair stay with the Wardens was good for him, bad for the kingdom. And making him king was bad for him, good for the kingdom. That's the way DA:O made it sound.
I haven't met King Alistair in DA:I yet, but Warden Alistair seems absolutely miserable when you meet him. Hell, I didn't even recognize his face or his voice, despite having the same actor. The worst part is that he said my Warden, who was basically a saint in DA:O and DA:A, "walks a dark path" all of a sudden.
I am sure my Alistair is as happy as he gets at the bottom of whatever bottle he's crawled into today.
But, yeah, judging King Alistair's overall state of mind in the five seconds you see him reaming someone out for betraying his hospitality and family probably isn't the most reliable course.
It was the dark ritual.I always thought having Alistair stay with the Wardens was good for him, bad for the kingdom. And making him king was bad for him, good for the kingdom. That's the way DA:O made it sound.
I haven't met King Alistair in DA:I yet, but Warden Alistair seems absolutely miserable when you meet him. Hell, I didn't even recognize his face or his voice, despite having the same actor. The worst part is that he said my Warden, who was basically a saint in DA:O and DA:A, "walks a dark path" all of a sudden.
He or Anora were the one who made the decision to accept those rebel mages so i think that they should blame themselves.I am sure my Alistair is as happy as he gets at the bottom of whatever bottle he's crawled into today.
But, yeah, judging King Alistair's overall state of mind in the five seconds you see him reaming someone out for betraying his hospitality and family probably isn't the most reliable course.
I always harden and make Ali king, no way is that traitorous sow Anora getting the throne. I also never marry him to the back stabber either!. But I got the impression thru the dark horse graphic novels that Ali really did subconsciously want to be king, and the war table messages did seem like the old Ali sense of humour to me. But no mention is made of Mistress to King HoF in game so I'm curious what happened there?.
I always harden and make Ali king, no way is that traitorous sow Anora getting the throne. I also never marry him to the back stabber either!. But I got the impression thru the dark horse graphic novels that Ali really did subconsciously want to be king, and the war table messages did seem like the old Ali sense of humour to me. But no mention is made of Mistress to King HoF in game so I'm curious what happened there?.
This is what usually happens in my games.
After Camine makes him King and Anora his Queen he barges into a room and blares out we have to talk.. The slob dumps Camine in a room full of people. 
I can see the smug "I told you so" grin on Wynne's face.
The joke is on Alistair.. She wanted rid of him and the best way to do that was for him to marry Anora. 
I don't care about the happiness of that whiny manchild, I wanted what was best for Ferelden.
Therefore my HoF (female elf mage) didn't romance him, hardened him and put him on the throne with Anora. Loghain was fed to the Archdemon so my Warden survived.
I always save Hawke though so Stroud dies.
I always harden and make Ali king, no way is that traitorous sow Anora getting the throne. I also never marry him to the back stabber either!. But I got the impression thru the dark horse graphic novels that Ali really did subconsciously want to be king, and the war table messages did seem like the old Ali sense of humour to me. But no mention is made of Mistress to King HoF in game so I'm curious what happened there?.
Alistar decided to dump her? And I don't have a world state like that so I dunno....
No, she's mentioned, but not directly.
If your HoF makes Alistair king and remain his mistress, you hear rumors in the Herald's Rest about a "power behind the throne". I missed the first part of the conversation, so I didn't hear the word "Ferelden" mentioned specifically, but considering that my Inquisitor wasn't romancing anyone at the time and that I hadn't started WEWH yet, what other throne could they be talking about? I didn't hear those rumors on my "Warden and Alistair remain Wardens together" playthrough, nor did I get them on my "Queen Cousland" playthrough, so odds are good, that was the only name drop there's going to be.
Come to think of it, I don't remember Alistair mentioning his wife, the HoF, in Redcliffe, either. It wasn't a social call.
Alistair doesn't love Cousland more than Surana or Amell, or Brosca, Aeducan, Tabris, or Mahariel, for that matter. Heck, any female Cousland at all can marry him whether there's a romance there or not, as long as her persuasion skill is high enough. There's enough "My choices are more valid than your choices" in the fandom already without dredging that up again.
I always thought having Alistair stay with the Wardens was good for him, bad for the kingdom. And making him king was bad for him, good for the kingdom. That's the way DA:O made it sound.
I haven't met King Alistair in DA:I yet, but Warden Alistair seems absolutely miserable when you meet him. Hell, I didn't even recognize his face or his voice, despite having the same actor. The worst part is that he said my Warden, who was basically a saint in DA:O and DA:A, "walks a dark path" all of a sudden.
How is that bad for the kingdom? Anora had been successfully running the country for years and unlike him, she's actually willing to do it. There's also the fact that Wardens shouldn't be holding titles anyway.
As for him being miserable, I think it should be considered that 1) it's been 10 years since DAO, he won't remain a bubbly wide-eyed 20 year old forever, and 2) when Inquisitor meets him, he's hearing the Calling that may or may not be real, his fellow Wardens are duped into killing each other to raise a demon army because of said Calling and he's on the run from his own order because his brothers were instructed to silence or kill him - no wonder he feels down. That doesn't mean that he's unhappy with the life he's chosen, however.
I never got this line in my games, but I think "Walks the dark path" is referring to the Dark Ritual and/or whatever the Warden is doing to get rid of the Calling.
I suppose the line in the epilogue about riots in the alienage stuck with me. I remember having Anora remain queen on my "bann of the alienage" playthrough so that my Warden would be in a position to prevent such things, but I guess the boon and the epilogue are both irrelevant now.How is that bad for the kingdom? Anora had been successfully running the country for years and unlike him, she's actually willing to do it. There's also the fact that Wardens shouldn't be holding titles anyway.
As for him being miserable, I think it should be considered that 1) it's been 10 years since DAO, he won't remain a bubbly wide-eyed 20 year old forever, and 2) when Inquisitor meets him, he's hearing the Calling that may or may not be real, his fellow Wardens are duped into killing each other to raise a demon army because of said Calling and he's on the run from his own order because his brothers were instructed to silence or kill him - no wonder he feels down. That doesn't mean that he's unhappy with the life he's chosen, however.
I never got this line in my games, but I think "Walks the dark path" is referring to the Dark Ritual and/or whatever the Warden is doing to get rid of the Calling.
Neverwinter, That is why I make him King. My wardens knows he will be better off as King instead of being a Grey. None of my wardens remains a Grey since they never wanted to be one and after the ordeal at Vigil's Keep they go rogue.
Here's what happen to my wardens.
Thanks to Leliana returning to the Chantry Tidus does rot in the Denerim Alienage as a drunk. He never sees Morrigan or his son but,often wonders about him.
Camine marries a Denerim Shem merchant and enjoys the family life. Rikku (my brand dwarf) returns to Orzammar but,soon tires of the quiet life and leaves Orzammar and joins a Dwarven surface Carta as a enforcer under the name of Shera.
Chasha returns to the Circle and several weeks later slips away and joins Lanaya's Danish clan as Lanaya's second..
I certainly thought Alistair would be happier as a Warden on my first DAO playthrough, so a Warden he remained. After importing that world state into Inquisition, I am no longer certain of that decision.
As a king, he grows into the role. He isn't happy about being away from his mistress, the HoF, as much as he is, but the rumors in the Herald's Rest ("The power behind the throne") suggest that she's in Denerim more often than he lets on.
I've never heard those comments thanks, I'll listen harder next play thru.
I thought he seemed extra grumpy in my Anora and Alistair import though
It's more likely a result of Anora being the one who gets to sets the tone of Alistair's public appearance:
"Now, Dear, we are showing the Crown's strength and resolve by exiling the rebel mages who abuse our Realm's hospitality: so no sarcastic remark and no apologizing in public, is that clear?"
Agreed. King Alistair is also an awful racist who dumped his non-human girlfriend because being king suddenly mattered more. Doubt he did anything about the equally awful alienage situation either.
He or Anora were the one who made the decision to accept those rebel mages so i think that they should blame themselves.
Well obviously that's never gonna happen. They're powerful political leaders and they have to make an example out of someone, and they can't very well point the finger at the mages while blaming themselves if they want to be taken seriously as a monarch(y).
Agreed. King Alistair is also an awful racist who dumped his non-human girlfriend because being king suddenly mattered more. Doubt he did anything about the equally awful alienage situation either.
The trigger that hardens Alistair (and makes him willing to keep his girlfriend as his mistress in case of a romance) is the Warden telling him to be a little more selfish avec the Goldana incident.
Non-hardened Alistair isn't racist, he's just easily pushed by those around him. If made king, "those around him" will be a bunch of aristocrats who may not be racist per se but classists prone to think "The commoners are a bigoted rabble, better not have the king give them an excuse to burn stuff by keeping his commoner/non-human lover by his side".
Same thing about the Alienage: unless specified otherwise, I'll keep assuming that a hardened king Alistair often butted head with bigots and those wanting to accommodate them.
Agreed. King Alistair is also an awful racist who dumped his non-human girlfriend because being king suddenly mattered more. Doubt he did anything about the equally awful alienage situation either.
Of course him being king matters more than him having a girlfriend. That's not him being racist, that's him being responsible. He obviously can't marry a mage or a non-human Warden - that would lead to a coup when Ferelden needs stability more than anything, not to mention, the Landsmeet would never accept that. If unhardened, he gives a very good reason why he won't keep you as a mistress - it would be unfair to his future wife, whoever she's going to be.
The way Alistair bursts into that room and shouts "We need to talk" and proceeds to dump his Elven or Dwarf lover in front of everybody is terrible. He might be a tad upset because my female warden won't agree to anything he asks after he is made king.
My female warden gets sweet revenge when she cons him into doing the DR. If he is harden one needs to do lots of persuasion in getting him to agree.
It was great stuff, great stuff! Until I had to pick between my (living) Warden's lover and my Hawke who is with Fenris. NOPE NOPE NOPE ABoRT ABORt nOo000. I ended up changing my canon to avoid the choice - King Alistair (HoF still alive), RIP Stroud. I don't normally do that, I normally stick to my established well-loved canon and deal with the ramifications of my choices in these games, but that choice was just too much for my little heart, lmao. It's a shame cause Warden Alistair kept going on about his HoF. I'm not sure how I feel about HoF and King Alistair (she's Dalish) tho... iirc nothing mentions their relationship (understandable, she's away on a crazy quest and he's King)... Seriously considering changing her canon LI to Zevran or Leliana. She can be happy with Warden Alistair in an AU or something. LmaoI prefer warden Alistair in all 3 games. He's super great. (though the bug with him not acknowledging his relationship with the Warden in DA2 sucks) I don't know for sure if he's happier in one role or the other, but he seemed really happy in DAI as a warden. He and the Warden are still in love and hoping to find a cure for the calling. Good stuff, good stuff!
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