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[Valerius]

I know nightmare is difficult regardless of class pre-skyhold, but I am wondering which is a little less stressful and more fun to play in the long run. Thanks everyone for your time!

[Fullmetall21]

Most likely a dual wield rogue on nightmare is more stressful for the people going dual wield for the first time but if you have experience dual wield is a wonder on any difficulty.

[N1trogeline]

Both are viable.Reaver will need a little more of your attention when his/her hp goes 50%-

[zeypher]

honestly after playing bot a 2h reaver and a dw assassin id say go assassin. Hell assassin ends up having better survivability, better damage, aggro dump. Honestly reaver felt like a poor mans assassin.

[Matth85]

Both are viable.

Rogue requires more work, but wins out by being the best once you get used to it. You need to be quick on your toes and use stealth as your mitigation.

Warrior is a lot simpler, while not easier. As you get to mid-game and get some Tier 3 gear, you won't really take any damage any more. Which means with a tad guard generation you can safely be a Reaver running constantly at 10%-20% health for maximum damage output.

[N1trogeline]

honestly after playing bot a 2h reaver and a dw assassin id say go assassin. Hell assassin ends up having better survivability, better damage, aggro dump. Honestly reaver felt like a poor mans assassin.

Well imho the only thing a 2h reaver lacks is the 3rd masterwork. Reaver too hits like a truck (4k per hit AOE mind you) but assasin will outdps every single class in boss fights. I realy think its a personal preferense and playstyle matter.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

With the warrior talents and the ability to generate guard in the pre skyhold levels, 2 hand warrior felt like less of a headache. When facing big targets as a rogue, it always felt like a chore.just getting in close. You spend most of your time watching for enemies telegraph attacks so you don't get 1 or 2 shot in their aoe. You are of course incapable of one shotting your enemies at these levels so it feels like you aren't contributing much to your team bv constantly having to back away from targets like bears, or hurlock alphas, or the boss bandits.. However the good news is, you can always start as an archer and then as you get more points to work with and unlock your specialization, switch to daggers. Especially as you get into tier 2 equipment, and of course tier 3 which is where classes really start to shine.

[Gigamantis]

Both are effective at different things, so you should probably just consider what kind of playstyle you enjoy most. 

 

DW Rogue is the best single target damage in the game, but it's a lot of setting up combos and waiting outside of combat for your moment to strike and hoping your attacks out of stealth actually land.  The AI won't flank for you, and you're going to die if you're not flanking your target, so if the Rogue is attacking you better be controlling him. 

 

Also, melee Rogues take a lot of "accidental" damage.  Even when you're flanking most melee enemies attack in wide-arcs and end up grazing you even when they don't intend to.  When there are 3 or 4 melee enemies flailing away in your proximity they're going to accidentally hit you, even if you have no aggro, so it's not a good idea to stay in the thick of battle if you don't have a barrier up. 

 

 

 

2H Warriors are more durable and will smoke large groups of melee opponents with great AoE damage, but they get torn to shreds by ranged enemies.  You don't have to babysit them; the AI will use abilities like Block and Slash and Combat Roll very effectively, but they're not as good against powerful single targets as a DW Rogue and aren't as good at evading and eliminating ranged targets as a DW Rogue. 

 

The other thing with 2H Warrior is that you'll have to babysit your Warrior bigtime if you're playing with friendly fire on.  A 2H Warrior will destroy any other melee character in your party with friendly fire unless you're monitoring his every movement. 

[Matth85]

DW rogue - you hit hard as a truck. You need to learn the concept of "WIndow of Opportunity": Not every opportunity is for you. See that mauler? Yeah, that guy. He got 2 attacks that will hit 360. FIrst one he attacks randomly. You can get off a full combo here, if you know when to hit. The other he does a combo of attacks. You can get off a few attacks in-between each hit. In the end you do more dps than anybody, and you didn't die. Why? Because you are a rogue. Rogue does not sit on a target 100% of the time. It's sort of their trademark.

 

2h warrior  - You control the battlefield and dish out damage. You smash your head into **** until it dies. If it doesn't die, you stun it and support your team. In AoE situations you'll dish out a lot of damage,. SIngle target you'll.. do OK. You are sort of in the middle of a Rogue and a Mage. DO yourself a favor, and make the pink armor when you craft! Nothing says "Fear me!" more than a pink reaver rushing into battle!

 

Both will die if they lack gear. The AI is equally terrible at both. The rogue dies a lot more from the AI, though.

 

Which one to choose?

 

Can you play well? Yes - Rogue

Do you like being punished for bad play? Yes - Rogue

Do you play 1 character, or like to change constantly? Yes - Warrior

Do you like risk/reward play? Yes - Rogue

Do you want to kill a high dragon in 12 second flat? Yes - Rogue

Do you want to push your character beyond what the game was meant for? Yes - Rogue

Am I biased towards Rouge, even though I am a 2h warrior-lover? Yes.

[zeypher]

DW rogue - you hit hard as a truck. You need to learn the concept of "WIndow of Opportunity": Not every opportunity is for you. See that mauler? Yeah, that guy. He got 2 attacks that will hit 360. FIrst one he attacks randomly. You can get off a full combo here, if you know when to hit. The other he does a combo of attacks. You can get off a few attacks in-between each hit. In the end you do more dps than anybody, and you didn't die. Why? Because you are a rogue. Rogue does not sit on a target 100% of the time. It's sort of their trademark.

 

2h warrior  - You control the battlefield and dish out damage. You smash your head into **** until it dies. If it doesn't die, you stun it and support your team. In AoE situations you'll dish out a lot of damage,. SIngle target you'll.. do OK. You are sort of in the middle of a Rogue and a Mage. DO yourself a favor, and make the pink armor when you craft! Nothing says "Fear me!" more than a pink reaver rushing into battle!

 

Both will die if they lack gear. The AI is equally terrible at both. The rogue dies a lot more from the AI, though.

 

Which one to choose?

 

Can you play well? Yes - Rogue

Do you like being punished for bad play? Yes - Rogue

Do you play 1 character, or like to change constantly? Yes - Warrior

Do you like risk/reward play? Yes - Rogue

Do you want to kill a high dragon in 12 second flat? Yes - Rogue

Do you want to push your character beyond what the game was meant for? Yes - Rogue

Am I biased towards Rouge, even though I am a 2h warrior-lover? Yes.

This post sums it up. I have both a 2h reaver and a dw assassin and i love 2 handed warriors but assassin's man you gotta love them.

[Feranel]

I'm currently loving my DW Assassin on nightmare, my only trepidation is that I went Lavellan instead of Trevelyan and I keep worrying that the lack of the extra perk point is hindering me.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

I'm currently loving my DW Assassin on nightmare, my only trepidation is that I went Lavellan instead of Trevelyan and I keep worrying that the lack of the extra perk point is hindering me.

 

 

 1 perk is hardly going to make or break you, and you can make up the extra point if you let a chest respawn that has an amulet of power for the inquisitor in it anyway. I like the innate ranged defense the elves get, but just can't stand the character models for them in this game, especially the males and their "moobs"

[Feranel]

 1 perk is hardly going to make or break you, and you can make up the extra point if you let a chest respawn that has an amulet of power for the inquisitor in it anyway. I like the innate ranged defense the elves get, but just can't stand the character models for them in this game, especially the males and their "moobs"

 

I actually managed to make a decent looking female elf, through dumb luck on the sliders, I haven't been able to reproduce it on a human or even another elf haha. 

[myztikrice]

I think 1 perk can absolutely make or break you in the Haven parts of the game

[SpaceV3gan]

You have access to 5 Amulets of power for your Inquisitor. 4 of them are basically on your way if play for completion; 1 requires a specific plot decision (reconcile Celene and Briala). So that extra point you would get as a human shouldn't hinder you much in the long run, if at all.
Besides, the 25% Ranged Defense the Elves get isn't bad a deal.

Regarding the OP's dilemma, I would prefer DW. It does more damage, it doesn't need to be half dead to achieve its best damage, thus it is smoother and less stressful than a 2H - As long as you can handle the controls. DW controls can be a pain when you are not used to them.

[Matth85]

I think 1 perk can absolutely make or break you in the Haven parts of the game

In contrary to?

AS a qunari you get more damage and melee defense. The best choice for any dps,

As an elf you get 25% ranged defense. Decent for a tank, I guess.

As a Dwarf you get 25% magic resistance. The best choice or any tank.

 

That 1 point doesn't hold up to much. I generally pick human as I can't stand the look of the others -- but VItaar > extra skill points.