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[Rippi80]

Hello,

Has someone of you a recommendation for a good Assassin Build and how to play this Charakter?

Thanks and regards,
Rippi

[Shinnyshin]

The standard, go-to Assassin build is Hidden Blades, Stealth, Flank Attack, Twin Fangs.  Your goal is to come close to permastealth for massive damage steroids and survivability through the ability that resets your Stealth when you kill--I Was Never Here iirc.  Passives are pretty obvious.  You need a good dagger, but only a really good main-hand dagger since that's what determines your Hidden Blades damage.

[mission555]

The standard, go-to Assassin build is Hidden Blades, Stealth, Flank Attack, Twin Fangs.  Your goal is to come close to permastealth for massive damage steroids and survivability through the ability that resets your Stealth when you kill--I Was Never Here iirc.  Passives are pretty obvious.  You need a good dagger, but only a really good main-hand dagger since that's what determines your Hidden Blades damage.

 

PenguinFetish coined that one iirc, credit to him, though Assassin was pretty obvious. 

 

I sometimes get sick of flank attack and grab Shadow Strike instead, great for Threathening runs, on Perilous I stick with my double stealth though.

[Apl_Juice]

Assassin is very weapon dependant I feel. Your usefulness goes through the roof once you can one-shot enemies, since it will immediately reset your stealth.

Like posted, stealth, flank attack, twin fangs, and hidden blades seems to be the optimal build. Shadow Strike doesn't have the oomph, and Death blow is a bit odd where it'll use 100 stamina sometimes. With the necessary passives, you can absolutely demolish and never be targeted. I got lucky and recently got the 2 best daggers in the game. If I catch the vena tori commander alone, I can almost one shot her with Hidden Blades.

[Rippi80]

What Do you have skullend at the passive skills?

[Rippi80]

Skilled

[-PenguinFetish-]

This is the build i use for perilous

[mission555]

This is the build i use for perilous

[video]

 

Side question, what would you think is the best combination of Daggers on Assassin? Red Birth?/Wicked Grace?/Agony?

[Apl_Juice]

What Do you have skullend at the passive skills?

I'm terrible at the names, but you want the passive that instantly cools down Stealth when you kill. You'll also want the critical from stealth, and the one for stamina on kill and stamina on critical. There's also one for reducing armor on critical and one that gives armor penetration. I'm going from memory, but I can give a sample build one I get home if someone else doesn't already

 

EDIT: http://da-skills.net...0,010,1C100,110

 

This build personally works for me. Note that it has 2 free points for personal preference.

 

As shown in Penguin's video, you stealth and always go for the flank unless you're sure you'll kill from the front. Since Assassins are free to pretty much go wherever they want, target prioritizing is very important. Its okay to skip some enemies if a more dangerous target is behind it. With powerful daggers and a lone target, Flank Attack can oneshot, and even when it doesn't, it will put you safely in stealth. Also note that it is more than okay to use basic attacks from stealth. Knife in the Shadows will turn your entire combo into crits rather than just the first tap, so it is perfect for low HP targets like those ghosts who you don't want to waste a cooldown on.

 

As far as stats go, prioritize Dexterity. When played correctly, your Assassin won't need Cunning's crit chance, as you will be attacking from stealth nearly 100% of the time. Anything with Flanking Bonus or Critical Damage Bonus is also good, as well as the always useful Heal on Kill.

[TheThirdRace]

I personally go for Stealth, Hidden Blades, Deathblow and Flank Attack. I find Deathblow more reliable than Twin Fangs.
http://da-skills.net...0,110,1D100,000

You'll notice I didn't take "I Was Never Here", I find it unnecessary as Flank Attack will give you Stealth on a 8 seconds cooldown anyway. Stealth is simply used to get behind the archers/mages before battle.

When someone start the battle and gets all the agro you position yourself to Flank Attack at least 2 enemies when possible. If a Flank Attack doesn't kill your target, spam Deathblow and it will die instantly most of the time.

One of the deadliest combo I've seen is with Static Cage and Pull of the Abyss. You just wait till it activates and your allies have dealt some damage then you go in the middle of the group, spam Deathblow and they all die faster than you can say "I had a parakeet...". With the "Dance of Death" passive (+50 stamina/kill), Deathblow becomes an instant 6k damage with no cooldown and no cost. Since dagger abilities like Deathblow and Twin Fangs have some AOE, you'll also hit clustered enemies which will just decimate them that much faster.

You're not in Stealth and an enemy pass by, just hit it from the back or the flanks till it's 50% HP (usually 2 hits) then Deathblow and get your next victim.

Well, that's how I play her and it's a blast. The most difficult task is to position yourself, after that it's just a matter of timing yourself to go into a group of enemies when none are swinging their melee attacks (it's much easier when you play with people you know because you know their pattern and avoid being surprised). If you can do that correctly, you won't get hit at all and kill over 50 enemies per game in Perilous.

[mission555]

I personally go for Stealth, Hidden Blades, Deathblow and Flank Attack. I find Deathblow more reliable than Twin Fangs.
http://da-skills.net...0,110,1D100,000

You'll notice I didn't take "I Was Never Here", I find it unnecessary as Flank Attack will give you Stealth on a 8 seconds cooldown anyway. Stealth is simply used to get behind the archers/mages before battle.

When someone start the battle and gets all the agro you position yourself to Flank Attack at least 2 enemies when possible. If a Flank Attack doesn't kill your target, spam Deathblow and it will die instantly most of the time.

One of the deadliest combo I've seen is with Static Cage and Pull of the Abyss. You just wait till it activates and your allies have dealt some damage then you go in the middle of the group, spam Deathblow and they all die faster than you can say "I had a parakeet...". With the "Dance of Death" passive (+50 stamina/kill), Deathblow becomes an instant 6k damage with no cooldown and no cost. Since dagger abilities like Deathblow and Twin Fangs have some AOE, you'll also hit clustered enemies which will just decimate them that much faster.

You're not in Stealth and an enemy pass by, just hit it from the back or the flanks till it's 50% HP (usually 2 hits) then Deathblow and get your next victim.

Well, that's how I play her and it's a blast. The most difficult task is to position yourself, after that it's just a matter of timing yourself to go into a group of enemies when none are swinging their melee attacks (it's much easier when you play with people you know because you know their pattern and avoid being surprised). If you can do that correctly, you won't get hit at all and kill over 50 enemies per game in Perilous.

Blood Thirst over I Was Never There? Never!

 

Deathblow over Twin Fangs? Can Deathblow do one shot everything?

[-PenguinFetish-]

Side question, what would you think is the best combination of Daggers on Assassin? Red Birth?/Wicked Grace?/Agony?

 

Blade of red birth and Agony. 

[J. Peterman]

Blades out!!! Join the dance!!

[TheThirdRace]

Blood Thirst over I Was Never There? Never!
 
Deathblow over Twin Fangs? Can Deathblow do one shot everything?

Heresy I say! I am an heretic!

On a more serious note, that's what is working for me.

I find Twin Fangs more unreliable, probably because I'm playing with keyboard and mouse (and I'm bad at it "speedwise"), I don't doubt it's easier with a controller. The advantage of going Deathblow is you can decimate groups, Twin Fang is a single target 8 second cooldown ability. For that same 8 seconds, I can use Deathblow up to 8 times in a row without cooldown, without cost and I actually killed 8 targets. I already have Hidden Blades for single targets, I use Deathblow for "crowd control" and by that I mean bring them all down in an instant. It will kill anything but bosses as long as it's 50% health or less, even on Perilous.

As for "I was Never Here", just try without it. It's much easier than it sounds, not mentioning you now have 2 skill points to spend elsewhere instead. I honestly don't miss it, the 8 seconds cooldown of Flank Attack is more than enough. I usually use Stealth only before getting into battle, after that Flank Attack is enough for fast escape and Deathblow will kill most of the things before they become a threat. If you need the stealth that badly, you're getting aggro you shouldn't have and it's probably your fault. Positioning and timing is key, when you have those you won't need "I was Never Here". But that's just my point of view, if you feel it fits better your play style, go ahead and take it.

[tbxvividos]

Twin fangs 1 shots big targets.

Deathblow does not.

I really don't care how fast you can kill small targets because lots of classes can do that with ease.

Deathblow is a waste of an ability slot.

[TheThirdRace]

Twin fangs 1 shots big targets.

Deathblow does not.

I really don't care how fast you can kill small targets because lots of classes can do that with ease.

Deathblow is a waste of an ability slot.

I disagree, that's what Hidden Blade is for: 1 shots big targets. Twin Fangs becomes redundant to Hidden Blades. Deathblow isn't a waste of time if you want to lay waste to more than 2 targets when you're in a good group.

In any case, it doesn't matter if you like Deathblow or not. Do what you want, I'll play mine like I want anyway. It suits me perfectly fine on Perilous, doesn't mean it has to suit you too

[veramis]

Twin fangs 1 shots big targets.

Deathblow does not.

I really don't care how fast you can kill small targets because lots of classes can do that with ease.

Deathblow is a waste of an ability slot.

 

Deathblow can do a lot of damage vs a single target, hits in an AoE arc, and will trigger a second hit for a total of ~1000% weapon damage if an enemy has less than 50% hp. Deathblow shines for grouped or CC'ed enemies and vs. bosses, where it can do significantly more damage than twin fangs.

 

Assassin has many viable abilities, and people should try them out.

[Shinnyshin]

PenguinFetish coined that one iirc, credit to him, though Assassin was pretty obvious. 

 

I sometimes get sick of flank attack and grab Shadow Strike instead, great for Threathening runs, on Perilous I stick with my double stealth though.

Penguin/Salsa's guide was certainly lovely and informative, but credit where credit's due.  That build was "coined", as it were, by SaveFerris785, who probably has a totally different forum name than his Reddit one.  His guide should be located here: http://www.reddit.co...t_dps_build_im/ .

[Apl_Juice]

Is deathblow buggy for anyone else? Sometimes it uses stamina on both hits and other times it doesn't seem to trigger Dance of Death.

[Kryntos]

Twin fangs 1 shots big targets.

Deathblow does not.

I really don't care how fast you can kill small targets because lots of classes can do that with ease.

Deathblow is a waste of an ability slot.

 

Very close-minded of you. Much disappoint.

 

I usually group with an arcane warrior that will pull of abyss a group of 10+ enemies. I can stealth in from behind and spam Deathblow until everything goes bye-bye.

 

As for BiS offhand dagger, Agony seems to be the favorite. Personally, I like Gift of the Talon for the Hidden Blades proc.

[Anzer]

Need to choose where to put my last 2 points. Choosing between Deadly, Sneak Attack and Bloodthirst. Would love some feedback on which 2 everyone thinks would be best, although I'm leaning toward Deadly and Sneak Attack right now. I'm running Flank Attack, Stealth, Hidden Blades and Twin Fangs with key passives Knife in the Shadows and I Was Never Here.

[TheThirdRace]

Need to choose where to put my last 2 points. Choosing between Deadly, Sneak Attack and Bloodthirst. Would love some feedback on which 2 everyone thinks would be best, although I'm leaning toward Deadly and Sneak Attack right now. I'm running Flank Attack, Stealth, Hidden Blades and Twin Fangs with key passives Knife in the Shadows and I Was Never Here.

I'd go Sneak Attack and Bloodthirst. Deadly is nice, but you don't really need the extra %attack + %critical damage from Dexterity and the %critical chance + %range defense from Cunning. While Bloodthirst isn't the always active, you do get extra %melee defense from Constitution and get an edge to movement and critical chance when you're in the middle of a group. That means the passive is active when it really counts. It's really a hard call to make, all those options look fine to me so you might as well go with what you feel better with.

[Apl_Juice]

I'm actually not a big fan of Agony. I have it and use it due to lack of alternative, but that Chain Lightning grabs agro at the worst moments, and with my luck its always an archer who turns around and plugs me for 1500 damage. Ugh.

[veramis]

I'm actually not a big fan of Agony. I have it and use it due to lack of alternative, but that Chain Lightning grabs agro at the worst moments, and with my luck its always an archer who turns around and plugs me for 1500 damage. Ugh.

 

Same here. Its damage and shock are nice though. Maybe I'm hallucinating, but have you ever noticed enemies sometimes just kind of fall over when hit by the chain lightning from agony? I think I've even seen the venatori commander fall over from it. Doesn't happen with normal chain lightning.