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[Willowhugger]

I used to have quite a bit of respect for Knight Commander Meredith. The fact she had the idol for years when Bartram immediately went Smeagol is something which showed me she was a woman of phenomenal willpower as well as moral fortitude. As we find out in Dragon Age: Inquisition, with a far smaller amount of Red Lyrium VARRIC will go insane and need to be put down. Meredith also handles the Apostates you're sent to retrieve with relative leniency and leaves Apostate Hawke alone as long as he's solving the city's problems rather than causing them.

 

She's incredibly reasonable.

 

Then Inquisition has Cullen tell me she made a mage Tranquil for sending love letters.

 

...

 

What the hell?

That's all sorts of illegal.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Varric does not go insane from the red lyrium...

[Jaron Oberyn]

I keep hearing people say this about Varric, but I've yet to see it. So pics/vid or it didn't happen. 

[Willowhugger]

It seems TOO much consequence for a decision to be honest so I wouldn't be surprised if it's not true.

I'm still of the mind the Idol making her crazy doesn't explain THAT.

[AlexiaRevan]

Maybe I'm wrong..but I always though the Idol enhance whats already there...

 

in the case of Meredith..it made her even more zealous . In the case of Bartrand..it made him even more of a parano and controle freak (thinking everyone want to murder him , locking himself up , and feeding everyone crap and what not) . 

 

Varric didnt fall under the spell of the idol...but he felt it and he snapped at Hawke when she tried to convince him to destroy it/or keep it . 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I'd answer but I don't care and it's not about Varric.

:-)

You're a cruel one. The mystery goes on. 

[Willowhugger]

Hell, isn't the Rite of Tranquility only supposed to be used with the First Enchanter's permission?

It was meant to be sort of a subversion with Jowan.

He's being made Tranquil because he's a suspected Blood Mage.

Because he is.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

In the beginning, I imagine Meredith was indeed reasonable, harsh, yes, but only because she had to be.

The idol made her crazy. I imagined the stories Cullen tell were near her end, when she was genuinely losing it.

Also, Varric doesn't go crazy, Bianca made him a special box to put the piece in.

[New Kid]

I cannot believe people still think Varric goes insane. Who made that rumour in the first place??

[WildOrchid]

I cannot believe people still think Varric goes insane. Who made that rumour in the first place??

 

Yeah i've heard of that rumor a lot but i've yet to see it.

 

 

Ngl, it would've been good drama material if they went that route and at the end we'd have to kill him.... Kinda lame how lyrium doesn't affect him at all. It's like the decisions we make don't have that big of a impact. :/

[AlexiaRevan]

Yeah i've heard of that rumor a lot but i've yet to see it.

 

 

Ngl, it would've been good drama material if they went that route and at the end we'd have to kill him.... Kinda lame how lyrium doesn't affect him at all. It's like the decisions we make don't have that big of a impact. :/

It does......

 

When ya get the cutscene to decide if he should keep it..thats when you can point out that he is under the lyrium ifluence.......or let him keep it . 

[AlexiaRevan]

Here...

 

 

around 7:10 , Hawke if he refuse to let varric have the shard..claim 'It is controlling him'....and I dont think Hawke would lie......right ? 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yeah i've heard of that rumor a lot but i've yet to see it.

 

 

Ngl, it would've been good drama material if they went that route and at the end we'd have to kill him.... Kinda lame how lyrium doesn't affect him at all. It's like the decisions we make don't have that big of a impact. :/

 

So because you allowed him to keep the red lyrium shard, he should then be devoid of all common sense to take precautions when handling it given everything he saw his brother go through? The way they handled it made sense. It wasn't an attempt to limit the impact of your choices. Not every decision will have a huge consequene. This is just one of the many that has a moderate effect, which isn't bad at all. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I would have loved it if we were forced to kill Varric if he kept the red lyrium shard.

 

As for the original question of the thread.

 

I do wonder if this is a case of "Flanderization" as TVtropes puts it. As harsh as Meredith was in DA2, she only starts pulling off the truly tyrannical stuff in act 3. Perhaps that was forgotten or disregarded?

[Willowhugger]

Samson is on the streets offering to turn tricks for lyrium (I exaggerate, probably) in Act I so Meredith making the Mage Tranquil would have had to have happened before then.

 

But yes, it's one of the big things which mitigate the whole Tranquility thing.

 

1. It can't be done to a Mage who has passed the Harrowing.

 

2. It has to be done with the permission of the First Enchanter.

 

3. It can't be used as a punishment.

[TheLittleBird]

I don't see how Samson has anything to do with that story of Cullen's. Unless there's some context that I'm missing here.

 

Because it really seems something Act 3-Meredith would do. Not so much Act 2-Meredith and definitely not her Act 1-self.

[renfrees]

On the subject of Varric and Red Lyrium shard. It really leads nowhere, as most of the previous decisions. Just a few different dialogue lines:

[Willowhugger]

I don't see how Samson has anything to do with that story of Cullen's. Unless there's some context that I'm missing here.

 

Because it really seems something Act 3-Meredith would do. Not so much Act 2-Meredith and definitely not her Act 1-self.

 

Yes, the context in that the reason Samson was kicked out is because he was delivering said mage's love letters.

The official charge the Mage was made Tranquil for was, "Corrupting a Templar."

 

Sorry, I thought everyone knew the story.

[Deanna]

Varric doesn't go insane, he gives the shard to Bianca who built a special box for it to keep it contained, that's when she found out lyrium has the blight, by studying the shard Varric gave her.

[Teshayel]

Yes, the context in that the reason Samson was kicked out is because he was delivering said mage's love letters.

The official charge the Mage was made Tranquil for was, "Corrupting a Templar."

 

Sorry, I thought everyone knew the story.

 

Meredith was pretty ruthless to begin with. If I remember correctly, Anders mentions that harrowed mages had been turned tranquil even in Act 1. Isn't that what happened to his friend Karl?

[mrs_anomaly]

Samson is on the streets offering to turn tricks for lyrium (I exaggerate, probably) in Act I so Meredith making the Mage Tranquil would have had to have happened before then.

 

But yes, it's one of the big things which mitigate the whole Tranquility thing.

 

1. It can't be done to a Mage who has passed the Harrowing.

 

2. It has to be done with the permission of the First Enchanter.

 

3. It can't be used as a punishment.

This is the whole point. I believe Anders points this out a few times during DA2. Meredith was doing this and obviously flaunting the rules about it. The fact that apostate Hawke was running free doesn't have so much to do with the tolerance level of Meredith as her being shrewd and knowing Hawke had a lot of deep connections and it would rock the boat too much. Hawke was too powerful to just take down and she's kind of a Batman to Kirkwall. She's the hero Kirkwall doesn't even deserve IMO. The fact that Hawke couldn't save everyone and prevent a war doesn't make her less epic- she did what she could but she's only one hero. 

[IhateEA-Mask]

I think Cassandra also said that seekers were aware of Meredith's abusing her power even before things went to hell, but did nothing about it to her shame.

[azarhal]

I think Cassandra also said that seekers were aware of Meredith's abusing her power even before things went to hell, but did nothing about it to her shame.

 

They did nothing because they concluded it was justified with all the reports about abuse of magic (which there was, Kirkwall was crazy-mage central).

[Ryriena]

They did nothing because they concluded it was justified with all the reports about abuse of magic (which there was, Kirkwall was crazy-mage central).

How can you explain the using it on a guy sending love letters to his sweetheart? Yeah they went by what Meredith said was the truth. Which they were pushed into by Meredith whom was crazy.

[themikefest]

Meredith is my favorite character in DA2. She is, was, a very strong willed woman with a commanding voice thanks to her va, Jean Gilpin. Too bad she had to die instead of being convinced the idol was messing her head up. It would've been nice to have her in DAI.

 

Nothing happens to Varric if he kept the shard. He talks about a couple of times.