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[Cknarf]

For when the Germans absolutely refuse to sell us a proper G36 lol.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm looking into something cheap that shoots cheap ammo like .22 to shoot at the range, cheap ammo being key but fun and accuracy as well. (looking to have my cake and eat it too)

 

Been looking at a Remington 597. There about $200 bucks at the Bass Pro Shop. Anyone ever fire one of these?

 

I have a cheaper Remington for a few years:

 

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[Serza]

To this day it's still one of my favorite Battle Rifles, the M14. Granted the original design was cumbersome and unwieldy, but thanks to modern day composites it's back and is a heavy hitter imo.

 

Yeah, modern technology sure helped the M14 a whole lot...

 

This thing is completely stupid and obsolete. I want it so bad.

 

MTs255

 

 

 

What is that? 12 Gauge? Looks... Wild West-y to me. I can't disapprove of that.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

MTs255 is badass. It doesn't look impractical.

 

That M14 gun kinda looks like a BAR.

 

[Serza]

MTs255 is badass. It doesn't look impractical.

 

That M14 gun kinda looks like a BAR.

 

 

Actually, the M14 is an evolution of the M1 Garand, I believe. BAR eventually evolved into the Squad Automatic Weapon category, and the M1919 is an LMG.

[vometia]

Actually, the M14 is an evolution of the M1 Garand, I believe. BAR eventually evolved into the Squad Automatic Weapon category, and the M1919 is an LMG.

Yeah. The internals of the M1 & M14 are different to the BAR, whose mechanism was modified for use in the MAG (M240, L7 etc). I think I'd describe the M1919 as more of a medium gun, even in its M1919A6 form (the one with the bipod) as it still wasn't exactly light or convenient!

[Serza]

Yeah. The internals of the M1 & M14 are different to the BAR, whose mechanism was modified for use in the MAG (M240, L7 etc). I think I'd describe the M1919 as more of a medium gun, even in its M1919A6 form (the one with the bipod) as it still wasn't exactly light or convenient!

 

I agree. It's a full rifle caliber belt fed automatic weapon. That's pretty much saying "machine gun."

 

Still, it doesn't really reach the weight of firepower of the M2. .50 cal is something completely different, IMHO. So that's a heavy machine gun.

 

A "Squad Automatic Weapon" is something I'd define as "chambered in the standart rifle caliber, capable of sustained fire," and maybe add belt-fed. Even if belt feed is hardly a necessiry for a SAW, IMHO.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

In WW2 shooter games BAR looks Boss tho. It's much stronger than M1.

[vometia]

I agree. It's a full rifle caliber belt fed automatic weapon. That's pretty much saying "machine gun."
 
Still, it doesn't really reach the weight of firepower of the M2. .50 cal is something completely different, IMHO. So that's a heavy machine gun.
 
A "Squad Automatic Weapon" is something I'd define as "chambered in the standart rifle caliber, capable of sustained fire," and maybe add belt-fed. Even if belt feed is hardly a necessiry for a SAW, IMHO.

I think things have changed "since I were a lass" kinda thing: back when there was a rifle calibre and everything used it, so eg. the British Army used the .303 Lee Enfields as infantry weapons, the .303 Bren as its LMG and the .303 Vickers as its MMG; the .50 Browning was mainly an anti-aircraft weapon, I think, but where it appeared it was definitely a "heavy" and needed to be vehicle-mounted. Then NATO standardisation saw the FAL as the rifle, the continuation of the Bren in LMG mode and the MAG effectively filling in as MMG, even though it was usually described as general-purpose.

The BAR seemed to be a very early example of what slotted into the role between rifles and even LMGs, but that's probably only comparatively recently been fully realised once the old full-power rifle rounds gave way to the intermediate cartridges like the 5.56 and 7.62x39, and since then we've seen things like the Minimi and RPK, which whilst not quite as devastating as the old LMGs can certainly lay down a lot of firepower.

Though by this stage I'm probably just randomly pontificating like the old fart you find half-asleep down the pub.

[Fidite Nemini]

For when the Germans absolutely refuse to sell us a proper G36 lol.

 

I'm pretty sure lots of G36 rifles will find their onto the market soon.

 

The interesting question (particularily for gun enthusiasts), what weapon is the German army going to replace the G36 with now that they are outphasing it as their standard issue assault rifle? Will they modernize the G36, will they switch to other existing weapons (like say the HK 416) and/or use a variant of some such, or will they contract arms manufacturers to run wild and end up with a completely new weapon?

[Cknarf]

There isn't much need for a new weapon if you ask me. AR or AK  Pick one, and be done. But they won't, because governments don't like taking the easy way. They'll probably overhaul the G36, supposedly it's a relatively simple fix. At least that's what I read.

 

Every once in awhile, the US will be like "We need a new rifle! Hurr!" Then they have all these trials, just to find out that half of the entries suck, and the ones that don't are far too expensive considering what little advantages, if any, they offer over the M4.

[Serza]

In WW2 shooter games BAR looks Boss tho. It's much stronger than M1.

 

Funny, considering it uses the same round...

[Fidite Nemini]

 

Every once in awhile, the US will be like "We need a new rifle! Hurr!" Then they have all these trials, just to find out that half of the entries suck, and the ones that don't are far too expensive considering what little advantages, if any, they offer over the M4.

 

I would like to interject that weapon trials end like they do not necessarily because new weapons offer too little advantages or are too expensive for the relative gains, but that a massive (can't understate that point) factor in the decision making isn't the cost of acquiring and mainting new weapons, even branch-wide, but actually the immense costs associated with scrapping the existing stockpiles of weapons the US military already has.

 

Many new weapons are readily adopted on a smaller scale, say for special forces, and are very popular due to their advantages over previous weapons. It's just that special forces and the likes amean a manageable amount of weapons. As soon as you look at outfitting the rest of the military, you are suddenly looking at ridiculous numbers. The M16 series production is past eight million rifles total, and even though that's a global number, it still means the amount of rifles the US military got stockpiled is ludicrously high and you can't just sell all those since so many militaries already use it (as you can glimpse from the procuction number). You'd have to scrap all that and that is big money we're talking about.

[Cknarf]

That's kinda what I was trying to get at. The overall costs of both the weapons and the pain in the ass of implementing them make it pointless to even try. Switching to a rifle that might perform a tiny bit better, but at the cost of millions and millions of dollars? The good just doesn't outweigh the bad. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

It'd still be kinda cool if they did go full retard and start phasing out the M16/M4.  For civilian collectors like me, anyways.  Parts. Parts everywhere.

[Cknarf]

Squee.

 

http://www.thefirear...x39-on-the-way/

[The Invader]

There isn't much need for a new weapon if you ask me. AR or AK Pick one, and be done. But they won't, because governments don't like taking the easy way. They'll probably overhaul the G36, supposedly it's a relatively simple fix. At least that's what I read.

Every once in awhile, the US will be like "We need a new rifle! Hurr!" Then they have all these trials, just to find out that half of the entries suck, and the ones that don't are far too expensive considering what little advantages, if any, they offer over the M4.

I think they should of adopted the XM8 as a replacement for the aging M16. It uses a modular design that allowed you to swap out the barrel as needed for different situations. Hell, you could even switch it over to a barrel made to accept 7.62 rounds.

[The Invader]

The Israeli Corner Shot. It can be armed with a wide range of hand guns, machine pistols and even a small number of sub machine guns.

[Serza]

I think they should of adopted the XM8 as a replacement for the aging M16. It uses a modular design that allowed you to swap out the barrel as needed for different situations. Hell, you could even switch it over to a barrel made to accept 7.62 rounds.

 

I actually do like the XM8. Sadly the whole project died down.

 

Originally, I wanted to get a replica for airsoft, but everyone says the XM8 replicas suck.

In the end, I didn't get any replica so far. Hmm... I might get a real weapon sooner, heh.

[The Invader]

I actually do like the XM8. Sadly the whole project died down.

Originally, I wanted to get a replica for airsoft, but everyone says the XM8 replicas suck.
In the end, I didn't get any replica so far. Hmm... I might get a real weapon sooner, heh.

I really want one of the HK .22 LR MP5 replicas.

[Giant ambush beetle]

I have read reviews that this is due to over-tightening of the bolt guide-rails while re-assembling after cleaning, this forces them out of alignment. If there snugged to specified torque I have read there was little issues with jamming.

 

How detailed is your friend with maintaining their weapons because I'm kind of OCD when it comes to cleaning and maintenance, maybe it wouldn't be a problem for me??

 

Dude, just get the 10/22, with that gun you don't have to worry about its reliability or over-tightening stuff.You buy a gun to shoot it for fun not to find out how to make it shoot reliably. 

[Cknarf]

Indian INSAS.  I hear they're complete garbage, but I'll be damned if they don't look cool.

[Lunch Box1912]

I think they should of adopted the XM8 as a replacement for the aging M16. It uses a modular design that allowed you to swap out the barrel as needed for different situations. Hell, you could even switch it over to a barrel made to accept 7.62 rounds.

 

Where have I seen an XM8 before???  oh yeah

 

[Lunch Box1912]

 

Dude, just get the 10/22, with that gun you don't have to worry about its reliability or over-tightening stuff.You buy a gun to shoot it for fun not to find out how to make it shoot reliably. 

 

 

We already determined the Ruger 10/22 to be my course of action.

 

 

I was going to buy a 597 once, but it struggled to make it through an entire mag without failure.  Buy a 10/22 and never look back, man.  

 

I'm currently in possession of my father's 10/22 that he bought new back in 1988. It was never cleaned until I ended up with it a few years ago lol.  I've never had any issues with feeding unless I was using some fly-by-night third party magazine with plastic feed lips.  The factory ten round rotary mags are the best, if you ask me.  I have three Ruger BX-25 magazines, two of which are great, and one is defective for some reason.

 

If you end up with a 10/22, order yourself some Tech Sights.  I have a set on mine and I absolutely love them.

 

There's always the Marlin model 60. Superb plinking rifle, but it lacks detachable magazines, which is its only downfall.

 

 

Alright Ruger 10/22 it is sir; you talked me into it.

 

Thanks. I hate buying a new gun and being sad after the first range visit.

[Commander Rpg]

What do you think of the HK416? I've heard it's a notch up from M16 and AK-47.

[The Invader]

What do you think of the HK416? I've heard it's a notch up from M16 and AK-47.

The U.S. Army Rangers seem to like it, so I would say it's probably a solid weapon.