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[Lunch Box1912]

Okay so I have some pistols and a rifle for the range now but I don't have a concealed carry weapon yet. Well I can carry the 1911 but to carry in “condition one,” which is a bullet in the chamber, the hammer is cocked back with the safety on. I don’t feel safe carrying a loaded pistol concealed on myself with the hammer cocked back. If I don't have one in the chamber I would have to rack the slide back first. Well not that I'm quick drawing but if the time ever came to pull it out I don't want to be blasted in the face while I'm reaching to pull back on the slide to load the chamber.  Plus the 1911 is slim but still quite large and heavy. So been reading up thought this was the most helpful site so far for selecting a particular firearm http://www.bestconce...arrygun101.com/. Then this site for information on concealed carry information rules and regulations they even have information for each state http://www.concealedcarryalmanac.com/

 

I'm thinking probably the Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm shield.

 

 

Anyone have any experience with this particular gun? Pro's / Con's???

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

No, but most likely can't kill a wolf with it.

[Serza]

I don't know, you want a big round, you go for the .50 BMG.

 

Me, I like having a style, so I'd love to be a gunslinger with a 1911.

Or a P226...

 

Also, just a year left, I'll finally be able to get a license...

[Broganisity]

Uh. . .I practice fencing, Rapier and Cape style.

On matters guns? None of my own, but my family is basically the Living Fossil to America's Guns.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Interesting:

 

[Serza]

Oh, cold weapons! Yay!

 

I took up interest in those since... well, since I picked up DA the first time. You can imagine, now I know a lot more about them than I used to, but I still haven't held one. Would love to try it once, though. Just, maybe, proper medieval longswords? I like the idea of a sword and shield.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Oh, cold weapons! Yay!

 

I took up interest in those since... well, since I picked up DA the first time. You can imagine, now I know a lot more about them than I used to, but I still haven't held one. Would love to try it once, though. Just, maybe, proper medieval longswords? I like the idea of a sword and shield.

 

Or simply try a long knife from your kitchen. They're almost like short swords!

[Serza]

Or simply try a long knife from your kitchen. They're almost like short swords!

 

Did that, it gets kind of old. I have a knife you could consider dagger-sized, though.

 

I mostly use umbrellas (hehe, improvisation) when I feel like a longsword. The balance is completely off (I think the handle and "pommel" are heavier than the "blade") but it's about the right size for a longsword. Also, finding places to mess around with that stuff isn't easy if you don't want people to look at you like an idiot. Or threat, in case you're actually carrying something that looks like a sword. Trust me, enough people treated me like a mentally retarded individual in the past, and I have no interest in explaining to the police that maybe that's not an actual, sharp longsword.

[Broganisity]

Just, maybe, proper medieval longswords?

I tried fencing with a longsword. . .its more of a two-handed style and I prefer having a defensive secondary in my off-hand (Dagger isn't my thing. Whip was alright but its too wieldy for me), but it was fun. . .Just don't try it with a Claymore. . .or do if you're trying to scare your partner.

[Duelist]

Did that, it gets kind of old. I have a knife you could consider dagger-sized, though.

I mostly use umbrellas (hehe, improvisation) when I feel like a longsword. The balance is completely off (I think the handle and "pommel" are heavier than the "blade") but it's about the right size for a longsword. Also, finding places to mess around with that stuff isn't easy if you don't want people to look at you like an idiot. Or threat, in case you're actually carrying something that looks like a sword. Trust me, enough people treated me like a mentally retarded individual in the past, and I have no interest in explaining to the police that maybe that's not an actual, sharp longsword.

You can still mess people up with an umbrella.

[Serza]

I tried fencing with a longsword. . .its more of a two-handed style and I prefer having a defensive secondary in my off-hand (Dagger isn't my thing. Whip was alright but its too wieldy for me), but it was fun. . .Just don't try it with a Claymore. . .or do if you're trying to scare your partner.

 

I don't see a point in rapiers. They're stabbing weapons, and I love versatility (also the reason why I prefer assault rifles - the good ones will hold your hand at slightly longer than medium ranges, but are still semi, if not fully, automatic - and whenever I carry a sniper rifle in a game, I tend to opt for an assault rifle secondary... that's out 90 percent of the time) so I want to be able to slash and stab. Now the Roman Gladius would be a similar case, since I don't recall it being very good at slashing attacks. Give me a regular longsword. Or, Katana, I guess. I heard those can stab pretty well, as well as having a very sharp edge (as I recall, part of the bushido code is to cut off your opponent's head when they commit seppuku due to dishonor)

 

You can still mess people up with an umbrella.

 

That's one... very solid... umbrella. What did they make it of? Solid steel? Bamboo? Bamboo might have that kind of strength. The ones I saw in my life would probably break on the tenth hit, if not sooner. Those are also hard enough hits to stagger a grown man, so they can't be half-way (obviously, they are, this is a movie, but I'm talking if this was real)

[Lunch Box1912]

 

cold weapons

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

You can still mess people up with an umbrella.

 

I've seen the Once Upon a Time in China trilogy and they're very good. Jet Li is boss in them.

[vometia]

I never really liked the roller delayed blow back action either, until I learned that the MG42 used that system. And the MG42 is ace. 

The MG42 wasn't quite the same: it used a short-recoil based system. From a technical point of view, I really like it, though the gun itself was apparently somewhat inaccurate and I wouldn't want to carry around the ammunition to feed it given its rather profligate use of the stuff. The delayed blowback version was a further development, though I'm somewhat vague about the exact details: ISTR there was a mooted MG45, but development was moved to Spain after the war before HK came along and picked it up again; but that bit I'm not entirely certain about.

Where the katana is concerned, I think it's a good design for its intended purpose and the materials they had to work with, though personally I prefer the European swords: I think they are technically better, though a lot of it is just personal preference too. I can't really be trusted with either. Sadly, I own a number of quite sharp swords, which I have variously tripped over (whilst not in their scabbards), nearly dropped on my feet and so on. I'm not really sure why somebody like me has such an interest in weapons considering I'm entirely unsuitable to be allowed anywhere near them.

[Broganisity]

The rapier is thin and most of your attacks are from wrist movements. It is great for preserving your advantage of range over slashing weapons but is also useful for exploiting weaknesses in their defense with flicks of the wrist. The blade is flexible so a fencer can use their weapon, especially if it is a standard foil, in a whip-esque fashion to strike from the sides while still preserving their range. It can also be used for slashing and has a balanced offensive-defensive move-set.

If you are a martial artist, the footwork is very similar. . . and then, if you are also a cloak fencer, you can use the cloak to mask the location of your body while also masking where you will attack next.

 

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Penguin's umbrella was the best. Period.

 

 

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Katana is a better sword overall I'd sat, but I still think the European sword wins out for one reason: Japanese foot soldiers didn't all get Katanas, while European foot soldiers got swords.

[vometia]

Katana is a better sword overall I'd sat, but I still think the European sword wins out for one reason: Japanese foot soldiers didn't all get Katanas, while European foot soldiers got swords.

Most European soldiers got pole-arms of one sort or another: few would be armed with swords. Generally speaking, the European sword was more versatile than its Japanese contemporary, the latter of which was a compromise based on rather poorer metallurgy.

Rather hoping my phrasing isn't a bit off today, I'm in a right strop for some reason.

[Broganisity]

Most European soldiers got pole-arms of one sort or another: few would be armed with swords. Generally speaking, the European sword was more versatile than its Japanese contemporary, the latter of which was a compromise based on rather poorer metallurgy.

Rather hoping my phrasing isn't a bit off today, I'm in a right strop for some reason.

 

Oh I gotcha, I'm a bit off today myself.

But that was what I was hinting towards: Japan was and is rather lacking in metals.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

A gorgeous Chinese Taichi sword:

 

 

Am I the only one who prefers Gunadao, Podao and Woldo to Katana? (All pole arms, first two from China and the last from Korea)

 

Guandao is said to be designed by Guan Yu and was very heavy (weight unknown). It was not used vastly.

Podao was a popular Chinese polearm from the ancient times (alongside the simple "Ji").

 

 

And about the Korean one:

The Muyedobotongji describes its design: “The length of the handle is six feet, four inches; the length of the blade is two feet, eight inches; and the weight is three pounds, 15 ounces.”

It usually had a spike on the end of the handle, and a feather or tassel attached by a ring to the back of the blade. There was a variant of the woldo, called the danwoldo, which had a bigger blade

 

 

I think I prefer the Podao to all.

[Duelist]

As cold weapons go, the simple Spear would be my favourite.

If you are a martial artist, the footwork is very similar. . . and then, if you are also a cloak fencer, you can use the cloak to mask the location of your body while also masking where you will attack next.

The footwork is very similar to boxing but even more so to karate due to the fact that both were heavily influenced by fencing.

Karate still retains much of it's fencing influence in both the linear footwork and the way limbs are treated as live blades, which leads to the annoying phenomenon of all strikes in competition being scored equally, another carryover from fencing, but that's a rant for another day.

[Broganisity]

Karate still retains much of it's fencing influence in both the linear footwork and the way limbs are treated as live blades, which leads to the annoying phenomenon of all strikes in competition being scored equally, another carryover from fencing, but that's a rant for another day.

 

I know this feeling. Practice Shotakan myself.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I think the Japanese Martial Arts with weapons are called Jutsus not Karate. Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu etc.

[Broganisity]

I think the Japanese Martial Arts with weapons are called Jutsus not Karate. Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu etc.

We're mostly referring to the footwork rather than actual weapons usage. Shotakan's footwork, especially at the basic level, is a lot like fencing.

[Cknarf]

Full-size 1911's can be concealed, but I hear it can be a pain, and likely won't be comfortable. Especially if you're of average build. As for the M&P, I don't know much about them aside from the fact that they're a generic polymer framed service pistol like Glock or the XD. Some police departments use them. Good enough for the cops, good enough for everyone else, I suppose. I think you can get them with or without manual safeties, but I'm not sure.

I'm making the switch from my Bersa Thunder to my XD Compact for CCW when my new holster comes in. It's going to be strange carrying a gun with no manual, only passive safeties.

 

I say test a few guns out, and see what you like best. Most ranges have a variety of rentals, so you can get a feel for them. Go with what you're comfortable with.

 

Anyways, speakin' of cold weapons...

 

 

The AK bayonet is pretty cool.

 

Doubles as a wire cutter too.

 

[Serza]

AK bayonet?

 

Again, I got a counterpart. I think I might love being a hipster *shrug*

 

 

The webstore the picture is from actually has a physical branch five minutes of walking away... Hmm.

[bEVEsthda]

Okay so I have some pistols and a rifle for the range now but I don't have a concealed carry weapon yet. Well I can carry the 1911 but to carry in “condition one,” which is a bullet in the chamber, the hammer is cocked back with the safety on. I don’t feel safe carrying a loaded pistol concealed on myself with the hammer cocked back. If I don't have one in the chamber I would have to rack the slide back first. Well not that I'm quick drawing but if the time ever came to pull it out I don't want to be blasted in the face while I'm reaching to pull back on the slide to load the chamber.  Plus the 1911 is slim but still quite large and heavy. So been reading up thought this was the most helpful site so far for selecting a particular firearm http://www.bestconce...arrygun101.com/. Then this site for information on concealed carry information rules and regulations they even have information for each state http://www.concealedcarryalmanac.com/

 

I'm thinking probably the Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm shield.

 

 

Anyone have any experience with this particular gun? Pro's / Con's???

 

Not with the shield, but I like the M&P a lot.

Back in the days when I was competing, I held the opinion that the 1911 was an acceptable carry gun. The logic/argument was: carry what you train with.

I rarely carry a gun, but when I do, or did, even then, it was a revolver, a S&W model 19, 2½". It's just safer and faster and more fool proof in a frantic situation.

 

Since then, I've been through experiences which have changed my opinion of carrying 1911, and my opinion of the Glock (I used to dislike it with a passion). Different circumstances, different environment, but nevertheless I learned that target and competition oriented triggers and lockwork aren't practical. No matter how much you train. So I think I always made the right choice with the revolver.

And I like the Glock and the S&W M&P very much today.

 

Disregarding the practical details, there's a ton of philosophical and personal considerations you have to think very carefully about, before you go carry a gun. One thing, preferably, your brain should physically have matured beyond 30 years. Just saying.