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[Nattfare]

This is a good weapon.
 

Spoiler

Yes, it's a miniature spear.

[Dermain]

This is a good weapon.
 

Spoiler

Yes, it's a miniature spear.

 

Relevant:

 

[bEVEsthda]

I kinda lower the significance of "sword being the first true weapon". I don't believe so. Most single purpose perhaps. But I don't buy into that man is fundamentally a tool-making animal. I think we're fundamentally a weapon-making animal. Everything we did was first used as a weapon or in a weapon.

Not necessarily weapons for use against man, primarily. There must have been some time when other kinds of animals were a greater threat.

[Qwib Qwib]

Now, I want you all to take a deep breath and behold a type of dagger that is... special.

Ladies and mentlegen...

 

The amazing Bollock Dagger!

 

 

Yes. These did exist. And yes. You were supposed to hold it with the blade down. 

[bEVEsthda]

Now, I want you all to take a deep breath and behold a type of dagger that is... special.

Ladies and mentlegen...

 

The amazing Bollock Dagger!

 

 

Yes. These did exist. And yes. You were supposed to hold it with the blade down. 

 

Well, you were supposed to carry it at the front, hanging over the groin. And yes, it was absolutely meant to look like.

[Qwib Qwib]

No.

They were originally based on a spear, and a spear is a hunting weapon! So no, it was NOT made only for war like the best weapon in the world, THE SWORD!

 

 

I'm sure you could...try...maybe...before the axe or your arm breaks.

 

 

I've always wondered how one would actually wield those.

 

I see the thrusting bit, but the curved blade makes me believe you could also cut with it. Was it curved for... well, it just was? All the Chinese blades I've seen were curved (except some rare exceptions).

[Fidite Nemini]

I kinda lower the significance of "sword being the first true weapon". I don't believe so. Most single purpose perhaps. But I don't buy into that man is fundamentally a tool-making animal. I think we're fundamentally a weapon-making animal. Everything we did was first used as a weapon or in a weapon.

Not necessarily weapons for use against man, primarily. There must have been some time when other kinds of animals were a greater threat.

 

 

I meant "true weapon" as a means to distinguish it from multi-purpose gear that can be used (primarily or just during not so warry days) as tools for work. The sword as a design is singularily and marks a specific mindset, a first mental focus on war as opposed to the usual survival.

[bEVEsthda]

I meant "true weapon" as a means to distinguish it from multi-purpose gear that can be used (primarily or just during not so warry days) as tools for work. The sword as a design is singularily and marks a specific mindset, a first mental focus on war as opposed to the usual survival.

 

All arguably true.

And the (Western) sword is maybe also (generally) the most underrated and most misunderstood cold weapon.

The sword is also the technically most interesting and sophisticated cold weapon.

 

Still, I'd also say that the most quintessential human weapons are the spear and the missile.

 

While I can also see a vigorously swung branch or stick (club) in mans early history, I don't think it worked quite as well as throwing rocks or poking hard with a nastily pointed stick.

I also think that at least the Western sword sort of originated and evolved it's role from a concept of a short spear. The early bronze swords were mainly thrusting weapons. And both the Greek and the Romans mainly used the sword as a thrusting weapon and as a backup to the spear. One can see the same idea in the Zulu's short spear.

Then, from 1250 onwards, the Western sword is again mainly a thrusting weapon.

[Fidite Nemini]

 

Then, from 1250 onwards, the Western sword is again mainly a thrusting weapon.

 

The modern sword is no longer limited to thrusting, cutting or cleaving. Unless a specific type of sword was optimized for a specific action (say cavalry sabres for cutting, heavy blades like machetes for cleaving, or stuff like the Estoc for thrusting/piercing), a typical longsword was designed to be as good a cutting weapon as a thrusting one, with carefully designed blade angles and advanced metallurgy mixing hard steel for maintaining edges, flexible steel for adding flexibility and shock absorption aswell as highly temptered steel to make solid thrusting points at the sword tip (and occasionally the hilt).

[ApocAlypsE007]

My favorite weapon from sci-fi (after Lightsaber):

 

OMG, this so much. At my prime in UT99 I was unstoppable with the Flak Cannon.

Honnorable mention:

Mainly the ME2 version.

[Fidite Nemini]

 

http://masseffect.wi...i/M-76_Revenant

Manly version.

 

FTFY.

 

If we go for fictional stuff, then my vote goes to:

 

 

Hilariously overpowered godmode weapon, but sure is fun.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Yes. The sword is the only true war weapon...
Except for cannons...
And catapults...
And morning stars...
And mustard gas...
And nukes...
And orbital lasers...
You might want start saying first...only is a broad term.
Also Neo is that you? Because if so the Fidite facade faded...fast...

[Fidite Nemini]

Yes. The sword is the only true war weapon...

 

Read again. I said "first", not "only".

[TheClonesLegacy]

Read again. I said "first", not "only".

I don't trust you.

So you probably edited the post to make me look the fool.

 

In any case. Your statement was proven wrong. The sword wasn't the first, and has the basis of being a very modified spear.

So yeah. Some dude probably looked at a spear in olden times and said "What if we made the pointy end longer than the stick?"

So they did.

[Fidite Nemini]

I don't trust you.

So you probably edited the post to make me look the fool.

 

Unless I discovered a way to travel through time, I don't see how that would be possible if you look a bit lower and see Qwib Qwib's post when he quoted my comment, which I can obviously not edit. So the version you see in Qwib Qwib's post where he quoted me (which was long before your comment when you tried to debate a point I never made), is completely unedited by me and should serve you good enough as safeguard against any ninja-edits you may suspect. Or you suspect me to have some form of precognition. I have come to expect that we do not share most opinions, but this would be giving me too much credit.

 

Distrust is only healthy if you don't omit evidence you have in favour for making yourself believe something false. That is the point when I'd tell you it's better to trust the comment timestamps and distrust your own opinion.

 

Or you just tried to be funny and failed at least where I am concerned. But I guess in that case it wouldn't matter as I'd hardly be the audience for such a joke.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

You two should do an internet duel. First aim your colt at each other's avatar, then count to three and shoot.

 

 

Ah.. my permanent solutions!

[TheClonesLegacy]

No you like people being stabbed.

So I guess I was reaching for the wrong audience.

 

Anyway, I guess I should contribute more other than argue with Fidite.

I like Mjolnir.

And the Helix sword.

[Fidite Nemini]

No you like people being stabbed.

 

Ah, does this go back the misunderstanding I had in that one thread about the morbid/abusive roommate?

 

You sure seem to have a curious memory if you are that eager to hold onto an imaginary feud, yet evidently can't remember what I wrote one page earlier in a comment. And here I thought we managed to evade each other peacefully so far since then.

 

I'll renew my last proposal: you ignore me and I'll ignore you. I think it would be for the best since we obviously don't swing on the same frequency.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ah, does this go back the misunderstanding I had in that one thread about the morbid/abusive roommate?

I'll renew my last proposal: you ignore me and I'll ignore you. I think it would be for the best since we obviously don't swing on the same frequency.

Nope.

RWBY thread. Asking me to find you gore fanart...Even after I told you no multiple times?

Ring any bells?

Page 1185.

 

Sure I think it's for the best if we ignore each other from now on.

[Fidite Nemini]

Nope.

RWBY thread. Asking me to find you gore pics...Even after I told you no multiple times?

Ring any bells?

Page 1185.

 

Sure I think it's for the best if we ignore each other from now on.

 

 

That? I already apologized.

 

Well anyway, ignoring is the consensus, good for me. Good day and hopefully we won't cross each other again, for both our sakes. Happy new year, btw.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

OK, enough of your discussion.

 

This is a Grenadier's Sword, one of the most technologically advanced swords of the world (in 18th century).

 

[Qwib Qwib]

OK, enough of your discussion.

 

This is a Grenadier's Sword, one of the most technologically advanced swords of the world (in 18th century).

 

 

I'm curious -- how so? Make it about every single late military saber.

 

Here is another 18th century sword that I'd consider even more technologically fascinating. A Scottish broadsword, of the claidheamh cuil type. 

 

 

Actually, here is a Schiavona -- this is from the late 17th century!

 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Still the French one looks better!

[ApocAlypsE007]

As for real life weapons, I didn't actually fire this one but it looks so cool

[Qwib Qwib]

And now I bring forth to your attention an example of a military failure! 

Here is the great not really Nock Gun!

 

 

About 500 of these were made for the beginning of the Napoleonic Wars. Was designed for ship-to-ship combat. It was soon discontinued after combatants were getting broken arms and shoulders from the kick of the seven barrels firing at once. Oh, that and the fear of the sparks produced setting fire to rigging. That did happen.