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[Lulupab]

There was truly no alternative. After the explosion at the conclave everyone turned to mages for answers and many already blamed them and found them guilty. Any friends or alliances they had was gone in an instant with Templars getting ready to march on them. Ferelden already faced enough scrutiny for harboring the mages, it simply couldn't provide them with military aid against the "armies of the righteous". Templars got a bad name later in the game and at that point they were still respected. The people in Redcliff speak about threat of Templar invasion and how Alexius' influence stopped the attack.

 

Fiona says Alexius arrived very timely to help them (direct quote). Alexius used time magic and arrived in an exact moment where mages had a dagger on their throat and Alexius removed that dagger, and this way he made sure he would reach the mages sooner than the Inquisition as well. But I'm not sure there would be any mages left without Alexius' interference.

 

Venatori agents infiltrated Redcliff and "warned" Fiona about imminent Templar attack, the Templars did actually attack Redcliff too. (When you close the rift outside the gate you see them). They are not a vast army, perhaps they are mind controlled or something by Alexius to show FIona Templars are attacking.

[Colonelkillabee]

One small problem, there was no templar army marching on them. Fiona never saw it either.

 

There were templars in the Hinterlands, yes, but not this large army she spoke of that was going to march on her hundreds of mages in Redcliffe. They were devastated and fractured just like them from the explosion. She also had Redcliffe forces with her already there, which she threw out after listening to Tevinter, which doesn't make much sense. That's the reason why the Hinterlands went from bad to worse. No one to watch the crossroads or patrol the area. It was stupid.

 

A wise man once said:

 

 

Again, with Fiona's personal history as a slave during her childhood, I find it hard to believe she would take a random Magister's word of "There's a Templar army right over there! If you bind yourselves to indentured servitude, I will save you from the Templar army that's right over that hill!"

[Lulupab]

Having no allies or resources other than a simple refuge, being in an open war with an army ten times your size with allies and resources everywhere is enough. We don't even need anything else on this matter.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

One small problem, there was no templar army marching on them. Fiona never saw it either.

 

There were templars in the Hinterlands, yes, but not this large army she spoke of that was going to march on her hundreds of mages in Redcliffe. They were devastated and fractured just like them from the explosion. She also had Redcliffe forces with her already there, which she threw out after listening to Tevinter, which doesn't make much sense. That's the reason why the Hinterlands went from bad to worse. No one to watch the crossroads or patrol the area. It was stupid.

 

A wise man once said:

 

Lol, why are you even bothering, Conan? Look at their sig. 

[AlexiaRevan]

fiona got duped by Alexius , him using his time magic gave him an edge for how to twist watever he told her and convince her to ally with him . Although...indenture servitude..thats not ally more like slavery . 

 

Anyway , she was deseperate and he played on that to get what he wanted (wich was just to get the quizzie..cose he really doesnt care for the Mages * I also think he had something to do with what happen with the Templar if ya side with them) . 

 

While I always side with mages cose of mayhem and fun . fiona is an idiot...

 

Ya wanna be free and start an uprising.....at least get a plan in motion beside kill everything and run for the door !!! 

 

As such , she end up in a corner not knowing what to do...and she was a gray warden really ?? I would have asked for proof beside 'Ya are saying templar are marching on us'.....especially since all this mess started cose she didnt want to be in servetude in a circle or under the chantry..yet a lie..and PAf!!! She give it away so fast....

 

Dissapointing . I think fiona could have been more then what they gave us....

[Barquiel]

We know the templars attacked Redcliffe and in addition you have tevinter spies who infiltrated the village as refugees, feeding Fiona wrong information about an imminent attack. I can't really blame her.

[Colonelkillabee]

Having no allies or resources other than a simple refuge, being in an open war with an army ten times your size with allies and resources everywhere is enough. We don't even need anything else on this matter.

Yea, because she threw them out.

 

LMFAO

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol, why are you even bothering, Conan? Look at their sig. 

Because it's funny to see the denial, lol.

[Lulupab]

Because it's funny to see the denial, lol.

 

Its also amusing to watch denial of people who think others are in denial. When the Templars attacked Redcliff (could be also Alexius' doing), Teagan couldn't and didn't do anything about it. Venatori agents disguised as mage refugees warned Fiona that the attack was merely small portion of a whole army on the way. There was NOTHING indicating this information was wrong at the time. Even the people of Redcliff believed it. Besides Connor no one is concerned about Teagen getting thrown out because they still think Alexius saved them from Templar invasion while their arl did nothing about it.

 

Someone needs to play the game with more care and more extensively. ROFLMAO

[AlexiaRevan]

Its also amusing to watch denial of people who think others are in denial. When the Templars attacked Redcliff (could be also Alexius' doing), Teagan couldn't and didn't do anything about it. Venatori agents disguised as mage refugees warned Fiona that the attack was merely small portion of a whole army on the way. There was NOTHING indicating this information was wrong at the time. Even the people of Redcliff believed it. Besides Connor no one is concerned about Teagen getting thrown out because they still think Alexius saved them from Templar invasion while their arl did nothing about it.

 

Someone needs to play the game with more care and more extensively. ROFLMAO

Still....when Teagan got kicked out , that was a bad sign . They were already rebel ! the Magistra have bad reputation to begin with and every mage is always blamed cose of those guy.....

 

That alone shouldve made her taker her rebel mage and get out by a different exit . Instead......if truly there was an army coming....she endangering everyone in red cliff !! Thats baaadd !! 

[Lulupab]

Still....when Teagan got kicked out , that was a bad sign . They were already rebel ! the Magistra have bad reputation to begin with and every mage is always blamed cose of those guy.....

 

That alone shouldve made her taker her rebel mage and get out by a different exit . Instead......if truly there was an army coming....she endangering everyone in red cliff !! Thats baaadd !! 

 

Go where exactly? At the time almost everyone blames the mages for explosion at the conclave, even the small amount of allies that they had prior to that was gone.

[Sah291]

Yup, that's the impression I got too. That's what's so tragic about it, because that is often what happens to rebels, unfortunately, no matter how well intentioned they might be at first. It's easy to sell out right back into slavery due to circumstances, that's why such movements very rarely succeed.... I recall Fenris saying there were uprisings like that all the time in Tevinter, and he had even seen it before.  

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Go where exactly? At the time almost everyone blames the mages for explosion at the conclave, even the small amount of allies that they had prior to that was gone.

 

Any where is better than a place where you are putting innocent people in danger, is it not? Or do they not count because they have had their freedom their whole lives? 

[AlexiaRevan]

Go where exactly? At the time almost everyone blames the mages for explosion at the conclave, even the small amount of allies that they had prior to that was gone.

More reason that anywhere is better..then to stick around , endanger everyone even more..and gain even more hate then they already had . 

 

I understand she was cornered and deseperate but I still think it was poor planning . And she claimed to have been once a time a warden...I would have though she would be..y'know..more self sufficiant instead of just sit there and wait for Templar to knock on your door . 

[herkles]

Well at least if fiona and the other mages won as these indentured servents could be happy owning slaves and oppressing mundanes in tevinter.

But hey they had no choice but to accept such a protection instead of fighting for redcliff and the mages by holding back this templar assult.

[EmissaryofLies]

The way she behaved befits some rookie first enchanter. Not the Grey Warden Grand Enchanter who possibly cured herself of the blight. Not someone that Duncan vouched for. Not the mother of a f*cking king. 

 

I do not even view as canon; it's just more 'mages are stupid and bad, f*ck you for liking them' bullsh*t that never ceases in the narrative.

[Colonelkillabee]

Its also amusing to watch denial of people who think others are in denial. When the Templars attacked Redcliff (could be also Alexius' doing), Teagan couldn't and didn't do anything about it. Venatori agents disguised as mage refugees warned Fiona that the attack was merely small portion of a whole army on the way. There was NOTHING indicating this information was wrong at the time. Even the people of Redcliff believed it. Besides Connor no one is concerned about Teagen getting thrown out because they still think Alexius saved them from Templar invasion while their arl did nothing about it.

 

Someone needs to play the game with more care and more extensively. ROFLMAO

 

 

Yes, because a few handful of templars attacking warrants a panic and the displacement of all soldiers in the area for some tevinter mages? She didn't even question why the tevinter wanted them out? Lol, did she really think that teagan would just allow the templars to invade them?

 

Anyone who thinks that is an idiot, lacking common sense. Not to mention, if the tevinter were really so concerned with stopping an invasion, they would never tell her to get rid of the soldiers offered, they'd suggest an alliance temporarily and offer services to redcliffe. Trading men does nothing. Adding more numbers does. The leap in logic here is astounding and incredibly forced, both for Fiona and this thread.

 

LOLROFLMFAO

[Lulupab]

Any where is better than a place where you are putting innocent people in danger, is it not? Or do they not count because they have had their freedom their whole lives?

The people of Redcliff don't seem to have a problem with it. They are concerned with the information that Templars are attacking, the city's shipments are getting raided by Templars and most importantly their leader either can't or won't do anything about it. If anything Mages are welcome because they will defend it like their own. We have to be realistic and treat these events like Templars were really going to attack because everyone in Redcliff believed they would. 

 

More importantly Anora is harsh in this matter, if Alistair rules alone (or with female Cousland) he says he understands why Fiona did what she did but he has to exile them from Redcliff because after what happened he has to do it as king, so its not something he wants to do. Clearly he can see the manipulation of Alexius but he is powerless against it.

[Lulupab]

Yes, because a few handful of templars attacking warrants a panic and the displacement of all soldiers in the area for some tevinter mages? She didn't even question why the tevinter wanted them out? Lol, did she really think that teagan would just allow the templars to invade them?

 

Anyone who thinks that is an idiot, lacking common sense. Not to mention, if the tevinter were really so concerned with stopping an invasion, they would never tell her to get rid of the soldiers offered, they'd suggest an alliance temporarily and offer services to redcliffe. Trading men does nothing. Adding more numbers does. The leap in logic here is astounding and incredibly forced, both for Fiona and this thread.

 

LOLROFLMFAO

 

The fact that the very people of Redcliff are concerned with Templar invasion speaks volumes. You are trying to use your own viewpoint on characters in Redcliff. They were manipulated by Alexius and the fact that he used time magic made it worse. No one had any reason to doubt Templars were not attacking based on the proof (fake) Alexius provided. 

 

You fail to put yourself in place of people manipulated by a efficient plan and time magic and call people idiots. 

[OHB MajorV]

Remember that time Fiona led a Mage rebellion for freedom only to doom her people to slavery by doubling down on ****** decisions? Pepridge farms remembers.

[EmissaryofLies]

Remember that time Fiona led a Mage rebellion for freedom only to doom her people to slavery by doubling down on ****** decisions? Pepridge farms remembers.

 

I am so disappointed in Bioware; Fiona should have died at the conclave.

[Lulupab]

I am so disappointed in Bioware; Fiona should have died at the conclave.

 

Yeah, that would make her an ultimate martyr.

 

She would have played a major role in making the lives of mages better for good. All endings are in favor of mages, some more than others.

[Computron2000]

Fiona is just dumb. Look at who decided to rebel in the first place. You rebel and you never think of what you are losing and only what you are gaining (so called freedom which just changed into slavery lol). Vivienne had it right. You decide to break the system instead of changing it from within, then you had better suck up the consequences. No one is going to cry for you

[Lulupab]

Fiona is just dumb. Look at who decided to rebel in the first place. You rebel and you never think of what you are losing and only what you are gaining (so called freedom which just changed into slavery lol). Vivienne had it right. You decide to break the system instead of changing it from within, then you had better suck up the consequences. No one is going to cry for you

 

And yet if you make Vivienne divine she makes the exact reforms Fiona initially wanted and tried to get votes to do it before the college of enchanters was disbanded. Either in the grave or alive, Fiona has played her role in future of mages, dumb or no.