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[Xralius]

As a response to they guy who said companions are obsessed w you in DAO because you can defile the ashes and they dont care... Actually, defiling the ashes w/ leliana in your party will cause her to attack you and force you to kill her. True story. In fact, you can kill every companion at some point except Morrigan and the dog. (Not sure if having allistair executed counts as killing him). So yeah you can ****** people off big time in Origins if you RP it.

[In Exile]

Origins actually had very few fetch quests. Only the "Board" quests are fetch quests. The rest of them, almost without fail, gave you options to complete them differently.

The entire main quest in DAO was a fetch quest. "Go fetch allies!" said Flemeth, and you agreed to do it and save Ferelden. Then the treaty quests were fetch quests. "Go fetch Branka!" said Bhelen/Harrowmont. "Go fetch the urn!" said Teagan. "Go fetch Withefang's heart", said Zathrian. "Go fetch Irving", said Gregoire.

The difference in DAO is that we had more cinematics and more dialogue. And then at the end of the fetch quest, we got a choice that was RP relevant but never followed up on.

I'm not saying the lack of cinematics (or even conversations) is good. It's not. I'm not saying the lack of choice is good. It's not.

But there is 0 debate about the kind of quest that it was or the actual content of the quest (kill a bunch of mooks to fetch something).

[Dakota Strider]

If we wrestle with the term long enough, we could rationalize that D-Day was a fetch quest.  However, what I consider to be a "fetch" quest, is one that has nothing to do whatsoever with the main storyline, or even advancing some storylines that branch off the main storyline.  The Chantry Board,and the Mercenaries may have had you collect a few things, but Origins managed to tie in what you were "fetching" with the chaos that was being caused by the Darkspawn Invasion, or the civil war that was the result of Loghain's attempt to usurp the crown.  The things the Mage Collective had you do, gave you insight to what was happening to mages.  I am sure there were a couple of really silly quests, I cannot recall from DAO, but most were done to add flavor and context to the overall story.  Ok, actually, there was one quest, that you received clues about throughout the land, that had NOTHING to do with the current troubles...but it was a big Easter Egg from back in the BG2 days.  But that didn't play out as a "fetch" quest. 

 

DAI on the other hand, not only has you go collect things; they have you collect the same things over and over again.  And if it was not picking plants or rocks, it was fulfilling some errand that you generally received zero recognition for.  Compared to DAO, DLI side missions were pure laziness, and reflect the multi-player online atmosphere that they were creating simultaneously.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Yeah I don't need 300-400 (though that was awesome in BG2!), but more strategic option in Inquisition would be cool    Adding just 10 more spells (that did different things than just dps and barrier) would add a whole new layer of strategic options for mages

 

This is becoming my slight pet-peeve I suppose. That is to say,  that mages are not the ONLY class that could use more skills.  I get it...  most people on here seem to play archers and mages but seriously,  I don't feel mages currently have it worse than warriors and melee rogues at the moment on terms of lack of skills.  Your skills,  on a whole,  bring a lot more variety than your melee brethren.  

 

/rant

 

Can we all just hold hands and say together "the game just needs more skills"?   

 

Don't feel I'm trying to single you out btw.  Nothing personal

[errantknight]

There's definitely been too much 'streamlining.' I'm starting to think of that as the foulest of dirty words, lol. 

[Xralius]

In exile, your logic that all of the region stabilizing quests are fetch quests is just plain dumb. That's like me saying DAI is just a "go fetch Corypheus' head" fetch quest. Or maybe Lord of the Rings was a "go fetch the distruction of the one ring" quest. Or maybe the quest for the holy grail was a fetch quest. Anything js a "fetch quest" if you stupidly twist the words to destroy the meaning.

[wicked cool]

Lets not forget how you got specializations, secret enemies, kill moves, jealousy, webbed knockdown. Obtaining Specializations didnt feel so cheap.

As of right now dao will have more impact choices in keep?

[Xralius]

Most people here play archers and mages because melee is unplayable on PC m + kb. Just another example of Bioware slighting its fans.

[Xralius]

In inquisition, i mean. Obviosuly.

[AlanC9]

As I understand it there is no agreed upon consensus of what a CRPG is. I usually categorize CRPGs as opposed to action RPGs. Where a CRPG is "deeper" in a lot of RPG features, action RPGs are more "hack 'n' slash".
 
I'd say games like BG, NWN, KoTOR and Origins are CRPGs.
While games like Mass Effect, Diablo, and Legend of Zelda are action RPGs.
 
In many ways they overlap though, hence the open discussion

I agree that it's open. I'm not sure it's resolvable anymore, if it ever was, since there are too many differentthings that are called RPGs out there; it's almost like we're back in the early 80s, before the genre got stale to be well defined. But this means that discussing whether DA:I is or isn't enough of a cRPG isn't really a high-value activity. Though it can be entertaining.

Note that you're approaching the poorly-defined term CRPG by using more terms which are also poorly defined --"deeper," "hack'n' slash." FWIW, Gamespot 's BG1 review says that it's a hack 'n' slash game, since it's mostly about tons of combat. I believe at some later date the term was repurposed by the gaming community to only refer to particular kinds of combat, but exactly which kinds has always seemed a little fuzzy to me.

[JCFR]

Simply put: DA:I is a damn good Rpg, if you can stand it's lousy controls on Pc and it's dumb action-paced non-tactical-combat-system.
Really, i never thought combat-mechanics in a party-based.Rpg could be worse than DA2... but this is literally a no-brainer.
If you can't stand this, then Hands off!

[Xralius]

Basically I have ZERO hope inquisition can be made into anything worthy of DAO with patches/DLC. I just hope that if enough people let their voices be heard thst Bioware is going in the wrong direction, maybe their next game will be better.... Of course i think that's unlikely too, but I hope.

[Realmzmaster]

Most people here play archers and mages because melee is unplayable on PC m + kb. Just another example of Bioware slighting its fans.

 

Actually I am playing a DW rogue right now using keyboard and mouse with no problem. The controls are far from unplayable.

[AlanC9]

Most people here play archers and mages because melee is unplayable on PC m + kb. Just another example of Bioware slighting its fans.

I still don't see what the difference is between playing a melee character in DAI and playing one in , say, Skyrim.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Dragon Age Inquisition is perfectly adequate. That is the best phrase I can use to describe this game :- Perfectly Adequate. 

 

It is neither great nor bad. Just okay. Just decent. 

 

If I were to use the analogy of Marvel Cinematic Universe...

 

Dragon Age Origins is like Iron Man 1 & Captain America 2. It was outstandingly brilliant.

 

Dragon Age 2 is like Iron Man 2 & Iron Man 3. It was crap. 

 

Dragon Age Inquisition is like Thor 2 and Captain America 1. It was just decent. 

[Xralius]

Well maybe it takes some getting used to, but I played a melee character through the prologue and said "screw this". Chasing something while clicking on it while also hitting my abilities... Was obviously designed for console and is a slap in the face to PC gamers. I don't want to fight the controls all game.

[AlanC9]

Well maybe it takes some getting used to, but I played a melee character through the prologue and said "screw this". Chasing something while clicking on it while also hitting my abilities... Was obviously designed for console and is a slap in the face to PC gamers. I don't want to fight the controls all game.

Why would that be better on console? I can understand not liking it, but I can't understand how waggling a stick instead of pushing keys would make it better.

[Xralius]

Personally I think Dragon age Inqusition is like the first Hobbit movie. It's pretty, but mostly just filler, and the only people who like it are those who have played it so long that their brains convince them it's a good game.
'Cognitive dissonance' is when your beliefs change to match your behavior. Basically you play this game for 100hours and your brain says 'well I've been playing this for so long willingly i must be enjoying it'. I would recommend playing DAO for a few hours again... You will never want to touch Inquisition again.

[In Exile]

If we wrestle with the term long enough, we could rationalize that D-Day was a fetch quest. However, what I consider to be a "fetch" quest, is one that has nothing to do whatsoever with the main storyline, or even advancing some storylines that branch off the main storyline. The Chantry Board,and the Mercenaries may have had you collect a few things, but Origins managed to tie in what you were "fetching" with the chaos that was being caused by the Darkspawn Invasion, or the civil war that was the result of Loghain's attempt to usurp the crown. The things the Mage Collective had you do, gave you insight to what was happening to mages. I am sure there were a couple of really silly quests, I cannot recall from DAO, but most were done to add flavor and context to the overall story. Ok, actually, there was one quest, that you received clues about throughout the land, that had NOTHING to do with the current troubles...but it was a big Easter Egg from back in the BG2 days. But that didn't play out as a "fetch" quest.

DAI on the other hand, not only has you go collect things; they have you collect the same things over and over again. And if it was not picking plants or rocks, it was fulfilling some errand that you generally received zero recognition for. Compared to DAO, DLI side missions were pure laziness, and reflect the multi-player online atmosphere that they were creating simultaneously.

The DAI zone quests all had "plot significance". I'd have to waste an hour and spoil the whole game, but many of them directly tied into the game's plot OR showed the chaos and damage of the Fade rift and Orlesian civil war.

What those quests didn't have - and what the DAO main quests did have - is a lot more dialogue. But the DAO main quests were as garbage from a quest design POV as the trash DAI quests. The only difference is the quality of the cinematics.

DAO had some great dungeon crawls. And it had some awesome quests - like helping Redcliffe prepare, or doing the Landsmeet.

But - and this unimaginative design infects every RPG - the quest is the same. Find stuff or kill stuff. There's no "solve this puzzle", convince this person, research this time, etc.

Acting like DAO had any other design for 90% of the quests is insane.

[JCFR]

Well maybe it takes some getting used to, but I played a melee character through the prologue and said "screw this". Chasing something while clicking on it while also hitting my abilities... Was obviously designed for console and is a slap in the face to PC gamers. I don't want to fight the controls all game.

Not to forget, if you play melee-char, you can loose the overview very quickly. One second you hammer the left-mouse-button in the middle of the turmoil and in the next, your out-of-range-and-view parked archer or mages drop ti minimal health because something happened int he background which you did not notice.

[Xralius]

I know from experience. I felt myself grinding through Inquisition and every time something happened that was even mildly entertaining, like meeting hawke, for example, i would get excited and say 'see this game isnt so bad'. Then I would play another game for a while and realize how terrible DAI is in comparison.

[In Exile]

Personally I think Dragon age Inqusition is like the first Hobbit movie. It's pretty, but mostly just filler, and the only people who like it are those who have played it so long that their brains convince them it's a good game.
'Cognitive dissonance' is when your beliefs change to match your behavior. Basically you play this game for 100hours and your brain says 'well I've been playing this for so long willingly i must be enjoying it'. I would recommend playing DAO for a few hours again... You will never want to touch Inquisition again.

You mean before or after I re-live the broken combat by re-rolling a mage again since warriors have 0 variety, rogues are complete trash unless you power game and then only at level 15+, and rebuild the same BM/SM or AW I did for the last 15 times, since 80% of mage abilities are trash?

Or are we going to talk about the plot? Because that's a subjective YMMV. But the mechanics of the game aren't. And while they are different from DAI - and one is certainly entitled to prefer one over the other - they are absolutely not better.