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My science teacher who made a vaccine for a colon cancer told me something that every time has been proven true.

 

"If you are over 40 and a Democrat you are screwing yourself over, and if you are under 40 and a Republican you are stupid."

 

My history teacher once said, "if you are under 30 and Republican you have no heart, and if you are over 30 and a Democrat you have no brain."

 

I watched as half of my class got offended. Weirdest moment ever. :wacko:


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I'm gaging from this thread that the demographics of the BSN are approximately a 5:2 left wing:right wing user ratio. Just from the kind of things people are posting, and their attitudes towards specific topics. I'm under the assumption that Riven326, and Psychevore place themselves as right wing libertarians, where I stand. Of course guys you might not be that's fine.

 

 

Maybe off-topic. I'd say the DA:I forums are 15:1 far left bleeding heart idiocy: anything else


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My history teacher once said, "if you are under 30 and Republican you have no heart, and if you are over 30 and a Democrat you have no brain."

 

I watched as half of my class got offended. Weirdest moment ever. :wacko:

 

Meh. I sleep in on election days B)



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They're decent and generally nice to you. But, I found them simultaneously weird and normal. It's not their culture per se. Rather, I get a feeling Muslims so far I met live in two different worlds. They fast during the holy month of Ramadan. There's also an unspoken undercurrent of drug and alcohol use in Muslim society. Muslims whom I know drink like a fish. In a way, it's not that different from a Jew who doesn't observe kashrut. But, alcoholism is a social problem.

 

I'm sure the Muslims you know are young-to-middle aged males, as well. A demographic that drinks and uses drugs at higher rates than nearly any other.

 

Just saying.

 

You can't have both Sharia Law and secular law co-existing together in the same land and have both be just as valid as the other. You have to choose between one or the other.

 

Not every Muslim country need abide by Sharia law in its most strict form, just like a Hebrew nation need not conform to exact Kosher law. 

 

Let's not forget that the Ottoman Empire was one of the longest lived empires in human history, saw some of the longest stretches of peace for a nation of its size and was one of the most ethnically and religious diverse and accepting regions of the world at the time. Peace, tolerance, education, economic prosperity... for the vast majority of human civilization, the Middle East was a beacon of these things. Until World War 1, when they made the silly mistake of siding with the Germans (for good reasons - namely that all of Europe except Germany treated the Ottomans like they were lepers) and then the League of Nations thought it would be fun to smash the empire apart, carving it into borders and nations that respected no historical, ethnic or cultural influences, which caused the nations to devolve into little more than warlord states within half a century.

 

Islam and the Middle East aren't incompatible with Western civilization... Western civilization MADE the Middle East incompatible and have stoked the flames of those fires pretty consistently for more than 100 years. 



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My history teacher once said, "if you are under 30 and Republican you have no heart, and if you are over 30 and a Democrat you have no brain."

 

I watched as half of my class got offended. Weirdest moment ever. :wacko:

 

Sounds about right. No heart here!



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Well, I think that's actually not true. How many Christians do you see threatening violence when people make fun of Jesus? To say that Christianity in it's current form is just as violent or is just as likely to spawn radicals as Islam is in it's current form is, in my opinion, being


Christian fundamentalism is actually popular just not common. If you look at the way homosexuals are treated in Africa with the narrative of Christianity being pushed foward then you will find a lot of them. Churches in some African countries have been taken over by missionaries that preach then these homosexuals should be burn alive. My country is basically a democracy in name. A homosexual can get 14 years in prison for doing absolutely nothing. I deny that Christian fundamentalism is not a problem.

Before the argument is made that this is because Africa is under developed which is true but here is one thing you have to know. Fundamentalism is created usually by preying on the under educated with very harming philosophies.

Funny thing is that I have experienced a a former classmate turning to ISIS(surprising as ****) and was lucky enough to escape My country before they flailed me alive. I really don't care what people believe in as long as they like don't like Dane cook .
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Look at Ireland. As far as industrialized countries go, they are pretty dang homogenous. Yet they are torn by internal terrorism between Catholics and Protestants, which stemmed from Irish Catholics being forced to convert to Protestants by (then) invading Englishman. A slight religious difference that stemmed from English Imperialism, which is now centuries dead.


Well, English imperialism isn't dead at all, but let that go. Describing Ireland as being "torn by internal terrorism" is kind of over the top. Ever since the Good Friday agreement back in 1997, the war has basically ended. All that's left is a series of fragmented IRA spinoffs like the Real IRA and the Continuitists, and their campaigns have resulted in something in the neighborhood of fifty total deaths over the intervening 17 years, most of which happened in a single bombing back in 1998...and many of the remainder were hits on other terrorists or on certain criminal groups.

Fifty deaths isn't nothing, and of course the dissidents continue to do other random stuff all the time as well (injuries, property destruction, failed attacks, etc.), but that's not exactly the makings of a major terror campaign, and it's certainly not comparable to the extensive violence in the United States.

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My history teacher once said, "if you are under 30 and Republican you have no heart, and if you are over 30 and a Democrat you have no brain."

 

I watched as half of my class got offended. Weirdest moment ever. :wacko:

That was my class, but way more of the class was offended.

 

Like 13 of the 20 people in the class.


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If you can't see how over populated the earth is than ... *shakes head* ... it just doesn't matter.

 

This is why humanity is destined to die out. Wilful ignorance is a harsh mistress.

 

The Earth's issues aren't caused by over-population. Scientists and economists have studied the issues, and over-population itself is not the cause of the problems that we face.

 

That's not to say we don't face many problems, or that individual countries aren't over-populated because of limited resources, but that's not quite the same thing.

 

(How did this thread end up on this subject, anyway?)



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My history teacher once said, "if you are under 30 and Republican you have no heart, and if you are over 30 and a Democrat you have no brain."

I watched as half of my class got offended. Weirdest moment ever. :wacko:

I'm not sure I get the "over 30" line. Maybe from 30-60, yeah. But old people face Republican policies of cutting back social programs (read: Medicare) and are for privatizing Social Security (meaning they would see reductions to their monthly stipends).

What's baffling to me is the majority of old people are hardline Republican, despite it working directly against their own interests.
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It always has and always will be that way. Young people are idealistic and unrealistic. Older adults generally start seeing sense, and are more realistic and down to Earth about things.



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That was my class, but way more of the class was offended.

 

Like 13 of the 20 people in the class.

 

I guess politics aren't a laughing matter.

 

...unless it's about the other party.



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Older adults generally start seeing sense, and are more realistic and down to Earth about things.

Wat



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I guess politics aren't a laughing matter.

 

...unless it's about the other party.

Democrats are cowards.

 

And Republicans are idiots.

 

lol


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And, now that I'm caught up, I think it's probably time to leave.  :blink:



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Top it off considering how hard it is for the poor to advance in America (such as getting a high quality education, and getting a good job based on it.)

 
This is another topic entirely, but let me say: student loans are available to anyone in that typical age bracket (unsure about the older folks), and if you're intelligent you don't even need that (I got a 31 on my ACT and got a full-ride scholarship). Then, choosing wisely and not some bullsh*t "I wanna be a psychologist" profession, and applying yourself and getting good grades, you CAN get a job, a decent job at that.
 
Take it from a black guy with dozens of family members on welfare, some "adopted" by St. Vincent de Paul, and more cousins with the same mother but different fathers than I can count (total number of cousins is around 45 now, probably 30+ like that)--you can do what you set your mind to. The problem with this country is not poor people being unable to make a buck, it's poor people be unwilling to make a buck. Not all, of course. But the overwhelming majority.
 
 
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to accuse you or anything, just using your comment as a springboard for my own comment.

 

Prince Edward Island really is very nice. If you can stand all the references to Anne of Green Gables. :D

 
If I said I enjoyed that book would you think I was a bad person?

The ironic thing? Even if you found such a place, you'd be viewed as an outsider for years to come. Such communities are usually not welcome to outsiders - that's why everyone is pretty homogenous and share a common identity.

 
I can't help but think of Japan.
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Magma Rider that's twice now you've replied 'wat'. There is nothing hard to comprehend about my statement or Riven326's one a few pages back. Maybe you should fully quote me instead of just the second sentence, putting it out of context in some attempt of argument?



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Look at Ireland. As far as industrialized countries go, they are pretty dang homogenous. Yet they are torn by internal terrorism between Catholics and Protestants, which stemmed from Irish Catholics being forced to convert to Protestants by (then) invading Englishman. A slight religious difference that stemmed from English Imperialism, which is now centuries dead. 

 

People fight. All over the world. Our own prejudices and hatreds just seem worse because we have a front row seat, but no one is placing car bombs that intentionally kill school children, or publicly executing people because they were born a couple towns to the west or east, or because they pray to the same God in a church less than a mile up the road, but with different lyrics to their services.

 

I don't think it's quite as simple as that. There's a lot of history behind that conflict and it can't quite be boiled down to just religious differences.

 

And I worry stuff like that could happen here. There's been civil unrest in the U.S. for weeks since they threw the Mike Brown case out, and two cops just got gunned down in NYC the other day. The media is keeping the fires going by finding any case they can of police brutality, real or perceived, and reporting on it. It's ugly out there and I don't think it's gonna get any better.



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Well, English imperialism isn't dead at all, but let that go. Describing Ireland as being "torn by internal terrorism" is kind of over the top. Ever since the Good Friday agreement back in 1997, the war has basically ended. All that's left is a series of fragmented IRA spinoffs like the Real IRA and the Continuitists, and their campaigns have resulted in something in the neighborhood of fifty total deaths over the intervening 17 years, most of which happened in a single bombing back in 1998...and many of the remainder were hits on other terrorists or on certain criminal groups.

Fifty deaths isn't nothing, and of course the dissidents continue to do other random stuff all the time as well (injuries, property destruction, failed attacks, etc.), but that's not exactly the makings of a major terror campaign, and it's certainly not comparable to the extensive violence in the United States.


Sorry - my mistake on giving outdated info. Still, the gist of it was on point: America isn't the only place with issues of neighbors not getting along, but for different reasons than being a melting pot.

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I don't think I ever went through the idealistic and caring phase, or maybe I did before I was old enough to understand politics.



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I don't keep tabs on racial politics much, but the situation these days seems ridiculous. I'm really tempted to give an instance of how racial issues are being turned upside down, but I'm afraid any statement, even if it isn't remotely racist, will get removed and I will be banned.



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I don't think it's quite as simple as that. There's a lot of history behind that conflict and it can't quite be boiled down to just religious differences.

And I worry stuff like that could happen here. There's been civil unrest in the U.S. for weeks since they threw the Mike Brown case out, and two cops just got gunned down in NYC the other day. The media is keeping the fires going by finding any case they can of police brutality, real or perceived, and reporting on it. It's ugly out there and I don't think it's gonna get any better.


It could be. Could not. It's likely just a flash in the pan. Look at all the calls of "race wars!" and "nationwide riots!" that were supposedly going to follow after the riots in LA from the Rodney King trial. Yeah, it was SUPER ugly there for a while. But the nation didn't get swept in hysteria. At least not swept up enough to have something HAPPEN.

People naturally avoid conflict. Few people want to be rabble rousers, even fewer want to be rabble rousers once the cops in riot gear show up. The biggest danger the average person will face will be being bored to death of the story on national news.

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It always has and always will be that way. Young people are idealistic and unrealistic. Older adults generally start seeing sense, and are more realistic and down to Earth about things.

 

Generally, when you're posting these things as an older adult, it's ironic.



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I'm 20 years old. If that makes me naïve and not worth anyone's time then ok.



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Sorry - my mistake on giving outdated info. Still, the gist of it was on point: America isn't the only place with issues of neighbors not getting along, but for different reasons than being a melting pot.

 

The problem is not the idea of a melting pot itself but what the melting pot is made of. When you take people with long histories of bitter conflict and resentment and try and force them to intermingle you're asking for trouble. That kind of thing doesn't just go away with a few laws, protests, college courses, or heartwarming TV shows. And it never takes much to draw out the subconscious anger two groups have for each other no matter how friendly the two might seem to be otherwise.