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I don't keep tabs on racial politics much, but the situation these days seems ridiculous. I'm really tempted to give an instance of how racial issues are being turned upside down, but I'm afraid any statement, even if it isn't remotely racist, will get removed and I will be banned.

 

It's rather funny how the sort of left-wing college students that try to silence any opinion other than their own also consider themselves champions of free speech. Oddly enough you won't see any protests for the murder of two NYPD police officers from that group either. Yet they're still (on their parent's money) protesting the death of a man who was acting like a fool after pushing around a store owner.



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I'm not sure I get the "over 30" line. Maybe from 30-60, yeah. But old people face Republican policies of cutting back social programs (read: Medicare) and are for privatizing Social Security (meaning they would see reductions to their monthly stipends).

What's baffling to me is the majority of old people are hardline Republican, despite it working directly against their own interests.


People are stupid sometimes, is no different then female republicans supporting a party who see them as inferior biblically & attempt to take some of their rights away
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I'm 20 years old. If that makes me naïve and not worth anyone's time then ok.

 

Well, I'm getting out of my 20s, and my idealism has definitely diminished over time. But, I've learned statements like this make you look stupid, even as an older adult, because you've let your prejudice cloud your understanding.

 

Since you're 20, it doesn't have to be that way provided you decide to have a brain and learn the complicated stuff that make your generalities just awful than spouting incendiary hooey. When a person stops making generalizations like that, maybe because you've probably gained perspective! Yay!



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Aite this thread is o'ding more than Gucci mane in a tattoo parlour.

Also dat George Brendan Shaw quote fam... Aite I'm out
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People are stupid sometimes, is no different then female republicans supporting a party who see them as inferior biblically & attempt to take some of their rights away

The mythical "war on women" as told by the Democrats who would never do anything sexist or demeaning to women? I love this one.


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Indeed I was only generalising. I only do so because its easier and I usually state that it's a generalisation when I say it. In this instance, I didn't, and you caught me out on it.



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It's not Ferguson in and of itself that's the problem but what it has brought to light across the nation. The thin veneer of a melting pot masks a seething hatred and distrust between different racial groups and political factions. It will get worse, and as Han says the cycle will never end.
 
Hell, the country got off on the wrong foot from the start. The whole country was borne out of bad blood. Bad blood between Native Americans and European settlers. Bad blood between the colonies and the Crown. Bad blood between white and black Americans. Bad blood between Americans and Mexicans. Hell even the North and South still have bad blood between them.
 
None of this is counting more recent developments like resentment between Americans and Islam. Multiculturalism is not working out here. Yeah it's easy to talk about how many awesome friends you have of different ethnicities and backgrounds or talk about how great everyone gets along in your city or at university, but are those the exception or the rule? And how many of them are just putting on a pretty face in public while cursing you behind closed doors?
 
I don't like the tensions simmering here and I don't think it will end well. And that's just one of the many things that has me wondering if I even wanna live here anymore.


I wish this forum saved drafts because I keep hitting my new stinking mouse's "back" button by accident. But basically, I think part of the problem is that the US isn't actually a melting pot anymore. We have a half-dozen, a dozen different cultures, all drawing their lines (Fun fact: Kwanzaa was created specifically for no other reason than to be a "black people holiday."). African American, Italian American (I have some friends who've taken to making Italian food, wearing Italian fashions, and listening to Andrea Bocelli, even speak Italian some just for their yearly Europe trip), Indian American, Mexican American, Asian...this is no melting pot.

I actually wrote a paper titled "The Melting Pot Is No More" some years ago in school. I think I'll look it up.

I'll move to Canada. They're basically the United States with Healthcare.


And sky-high taxes to pay for that healthcare.

Make no mistake: they're paying just as much for healthcare, and in fact more (because they're paying for everyone's not just their own). It's just in the taxes, not the hospital/doctor's bill.
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The problem is not the idea of a melting pot itself but what the melting pot is made of. When you take people with long histories of bitter conflict and resentment and try and force them to intermingle you're asking for trouble. That kind of thing doesn't just go away with a few laws, protests, college courses, or heartwarming TV shows. And it never takes much to draw out the subconscious anger two groups have for each other no matter how friendly the two might seem to be otherwise.


You know who the rest of the world has a TON of subconscious anger for?

Americans. :)


I just keep going back to this - America is not the greatest country in the world. I'm not sure what country is, but by nearly every metric, America is behind, delayed or rated poorly compared to others. But for the reasons you are talking about leaving, I'm not sure you'd like the rest of the world all that much better.

That's not to say the world isn't FILLED with great places to visit and live, but the problems you describe are pretty universal to mankind. Some places do better and worse, but no one's got the whole thing figured out. And if they tell you otherwise, they are selling you something.

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bye guys, I'm outta here. Feel like anything else I say might get me banned.



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People are stupid sometimes, is no different then female republicans supporting a party who see them as inferior biblically & attempt to take some of their rights away

 

I like you. You're funny. 

 

I admire your spirit, if not your views.



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You know who the rest of the world has a TON of subconscious anger for?

Americans. :)


Subconcious?
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Implying the rest of the world isn't always whining about the Americans when they aren't shouting for us to do something about Putin and ISIS.


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I like you. You're funny. 
 
I admire your spirit, if not your views.


Thx i guess B)

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You know who the rest of the world has a TON of subconscious anger for?

Americans. :)


I just keep going back to this - America is not the greatest country in the world. I'm not sure what country is, but by nearly every metric, America is behind, delayed or rated poorly compared to others. But for the reasons you are talking about leaving, I'm not sure you'd like the rest of the world all that much better.

That's not to say the world isn't FILLED with great places to visit and live, but the problems you describe are pretty universal to mankind. Some places do better and worse, but no one's got the whole thing figured out. And if they tell you otherwise, they are selling you something.

 

Politics are just one reason I'd consider heading out. I've developed many other grievances with this nation over the years. The rabid consumerism is maddening at times. Every road is teeming with stores, restaurants, bars, etc. and billboards and posters everywhere. George Carlin called America a giant shopping mall and he was right: I can't walk five feet without feeling like someone is trying to sell me something. It's so commonplace that most people don't even know what's going on until you point it out to them.



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Politics are just one reason I'd consider heading out. I've developed many other grievances with this nation over the years. The rabid consumerism is maddening at times. Every road is teeming with stores, restaurants, bars, etc. and billboards and posters everywhere. George Carlin called America a giant shopping mall and he was right: I can't walk five feet without feeling like someone is trying to sell me something. It's so commonplace that most people don't even know what's going on until you point it out to them.

The degree to which people try to sell you junk can be a bit overwhelming here for sure, but I doubt it's much different in modern Europe. Just the ads might be in a different language. Maybe less annoying ads for lawyers (because there is always somebody to sue in America) however.



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Politics are just one reason I'd consider heading out. I've developed many other grievances with this nation over the years. The rabid consumerism is maddening at times. Every road is teeming with stores, restaurants, bars, etc. and billboards and posters everywhere. George Carlin called America a giant shopping mall and he was right: I can't walk five feet without feeling like someone is trying to sell me something. It's so commonplace that most people don't even know what's going on until you point it out to them.

 

Consumerism can be a pain in the behind, but none of the alternatives are really appealing at all. 

 

This may seem like a reducto ad absurdum, but in underdeveloped or state-run economies, getting even the most basic consumer goods is/was awful. I get it, I'd rather not hear about pizza on a bagel, but if it's hearing about pizza on a bagel or having to pay $3000 to ship a fridge, I may have to choose the former.



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It's rather funny how the sort of left-wing college students that try to silence any opinion other than their own also consider themselves champions of free speech. Oddly enough you won't see any protests for the murder of two NYPD police officers from that group either. Yet they're still (on their parent's money) protesting the death of a man who was acting like a fool after pushing around a store owner.

 

There's a huge difference between how the two are handled though.

 

The cop killer will get persecuted to the full extent of the law. The cop who murdered an unarmed civilian who honestly didn't deserve to die will get a slap on the wrist.

 

It sort of highlights the inequality of the situation and how it is handled from people in power and why it's an issue.



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