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[SlottsMachine]

Kitchener-Waterloo. I go to school there.

 

That's cool. I live 25 miles west of London.

[Fast Jimmy]

A judge does. And nice way of turning something serious into a "conspiracy or whatever". We are not outlawing films, novels or video games based on a few knee jerk reactions. You can buy GTA V in the Netherlands just fine (if you're 18 or older) and go shoot prostitutes if that makes you happy. The first Article of our Constitution deals with discrimination and states that equal cases should be treated equally and that discrimination based on race, gender, sexuality or any other ground is prohibited. This was originally meant for Government-citizen relationships, but in practice it's now also applied to regulate dealings between citizens. Again, it's about equal treatment. And when equal treatment collides with freedom of speech (Article 7 of our Constitution) the limits of freedom of speech have been reached.

We have similar laws preventing discrimination - in hiring, in providing services as a business, as a government entity, etc. Where the line stops is actions you do as an individual - that's no one's right to control but the individual themselves, barring it results in no bodily or monetary harm or direct perceived threat.

What you are talking about is asking permission to have beliefs and express them. That should NEVER be the governance of anyone, as long as those views are expressed in a peaceful manner.

And again, it's about equality vs. freedom of speech. Proclaiming hate-speech and inspiring hatred for a specific group based on gender, handicap, etc. is not a right and is by law a crime.

And once again, it's still not about being offended, and that is not how it works. The government cannot outlaw anything that is/they find offensive. On the contrary. One can be offended without being discriminated.

Again, what is discriminatory? If the answer is "whatever a judge says it is," then that means it can be anything. Imagine a terrible terrorist attack is committed by Group X, who is attacking your country because you are Group Y. If all it takes is a judge to say "Group X is being discriminatory against Group Y - it is illegal to be Group X," then I think you seriously underestimate how quickly people see red during such times and will begin agreeing to anything that will sate their anger and make them feel safe again. Even if it is locking Group X up wholesale, regardless of their involvement with the attack. Or worse, sending them to camps specifically for Group X... or performing mass executions against Group X...

Oh well, this is just rich. I guess I'll go prepare my basement for when the Netherlands become North Korea.

It's a failsafe. A lock on the door. A safeguard.

If you leave your car unlocked tonight, chances are it won't get stolen. But if you leave something unprotected, the chance of something going wrong is there.

The test of a country's Constituion isn't when things run smoothly and peacefully, but when the worst has happened - when people are on the verge of panic and their faith in the system has been rocked. It's during those times that the worst abuses of power can happen.

You look at our Freedom of Speech and see it as being drug through the mud with hateful people saying whatever they want. I see it as when the time comes and the majority of the populace calls for certain voices to be silenced, the rights guaranteed will shine through, just as they were intended. Once you can silence one voice by judge, committe or vote, you can silence ANY voice by the same means.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm gonna have to concur with Shaia here and add that I think the far right will actually see a resurgence in the future (they already are somewhat). There's a lot of unspoken hatred and resentment bubbling beneath the surface of this so-called melting pot and it's starting to boil over with the whole Ferguson mess. People are starting to become more conscious of it and lines are being drawn. I don't think this will end well and it's another reason I'd consider packing up and hitting the road.

Ferguson is a microcosm of thousands of local problems.

There isn't a police district out there that doesn't have anti-discrimination policies, police brutality policies, community involvement policies, etc.

Yet the number of minorities incarcerated and assaulted and killed by the police is always slanted, usually with roughly the same slant across the country. I couldn't even begin to explain why - but it anyone thinks that rioting is going to solve problems, then I would heartily disagree.

[L. Han]

^And thus the cycle never ends!

[AutumnWitch]

As much as most Americans think it is the case, it is near impossible now days to pick up and move to another country unless you are very wealthy. 90+% of the population can't take this option unless they want to move a very hostile country where there is no law and order.

 

The world has become very over populated and immigration to ANY country where Americans would want to live have very strict immigration policies. Some won't even let you move there now if you are married to one of its citizens. 

 

For the most part, world wide Yanks are "persona non grata".

 

(Thank the heavens I am Scottish)

[Farangbaa]

The world has become very over populated

No, it is not.

First of all, if it were overpopulated, the population of earth would stabilize or decline. This is not the case. Only a minory of the world's countries are experiencing a decline. Most countries, whatever their wealth, continue to grow.

Second of all, 1/3rd of the world's population is overweight. 1/3 of the earth's population is starving. Do the math. Either people are living in the wrong place or, and this is the case in my opinion, certain places draw too much food from places where the people need it, or simply just gather too much food for themselves, where that food could easily have been given away to, or sold for minimal prices, to places where the food is needed.

We ALL know this. Everyone of us throws food away at times. No one of us, excluding people with eating disorders, are underweight. Stores and restaurants throw food away every day. Every single day.
 

Some won't even let you move there now if you are married to one of its citizens.

This is the case for almost all 1st world countries. Even 2nd world countries usually don't allow it. I could, technically, use my girlfriend's nationality and marry her to move to Thailand, but I would never get a job. Theoretically, I could go there, but practically I can't. That's pretty much how it is in every country in the world, I think. You COULD move there, but practically it's just not doable.

[AutumnWitch]

No, it is not.

First of all, if it were overpopulated, the population of earth would stabilize or decline. This is not the case. Only a minory of the world's countries are experiencing a decline. Most countries, whatever their wealth, continue to grow.

Second of all, 1/3rd of the world's population is overweight. 1/3 of the earth's population is starving. Do the math. Either people are living in the wrong place or, and this is the case in my opinion, certain places draw too much food from places where the people need it, or simply just gather too much food for themselves, where that food could easily have been given away to, or sold for minimal prices, to places where the food is needed.

We ALL know this. Everyone of us throws food away at times. No one of us, excluding people with eating disorders, are underweight. Stores and restaurants throw food away every day. Every single day.
 

This is the case for almost all 1st world countries. Even 2nd world countries usually don't allow it. I could, technically, use my girlfriend's nationality and marry her to move to Thailand, but I would never get a job. Theoretically, I could go there, but practically I can't. That's pretty much how it is in every country in the world, I think. You COULD move there, but practically it's just not doable.

 

If you can't see how over populated the earth is than ... *shakes head* ... it just doesn't matter.

 

 

This is why humanity is destined to die out. Wilful ignorance is a harsh mistress.

[Farangbaa]

There's more than enough food to feed everybody on this earth, and we haven't even begun to tap into the possibilities of things like vertical farms.

[ME_Fan]

No, it is not.

*snip*

 Best post in this entire thread. I completely agree.

[Riven326]

None of this is counting more recent developments like resentment between Americans and Islam. Multiculturalism is not working out here. Yeah it's easy to talk about how many awesome friends you have of different ethnicities and backgrounds or talk about how great everyone gets along in your city or at university, but are those the exception or the rule? And how many of them are just putting on a pretty face in public while cursing you behind closed doors?

I think that western civilization and Islam are incompatible. Political correctness and the cowardly acts like bowing down to Islam's wishes whenever the radicals threaten violence (which is almost always their go-to plan) is a contributing factor to why Americans are fed up with Islam.

 

It's also a religion that spawns people like this guy.

 

And he's not alone.

 

It's also important to note that not all Muslims are radicals. But the religion has a bad habit of creating radical nuts who condemn western civilization, hate everything it represents, and desire nothing more than to take us back to the stone age and call it a blessing. I personally think they would have a much better time if they went back to the desert where that sort of thing is kosher.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I think that western civilization and Islam are incompatible. Political correctness and the cowardly acts like bowing down to Islam's wishes whenever the radicals threaten violence (which is almost always their go-to plan) is a contributing factor to why Americans are fed up with Islam.
 
It's also important to note that not all Muslims are radicals. But the religion has a bad habit of creating radical nuts who condemn western civilization, hate everything it represents, and desire nothing more than to take us back to the stone age and call it a blessing. I personally think they would have a much better time if they went back to the desert where that sort of thing is kosher.

All fanatical religious people are like that tho, is not like muslim extremists are different then christian extremists

[Nessaya]

Riven, your posts make me cringe.

[Riven326]

All fanatical religious people are like that tho, is not like muslim extremists are different then christian extremists

Well, I think that's actually not true. How many Christians do you see threatening violence when people make fun of Jesus? To say that Christianity in it's current form is just as violent or is just as likely to spawn radicals as Islam is in it's current form is, in my opinion, being dishonest.

 

 

Riven, your posts make me cringe.

Well, I'm very sorry if I caused you any distress for simply speaking my mind.

[Isichar]

Well, I think that's actually not true. How many Christians do you see threatening violence when people make fun of Jesus? To say that Christianity in it's current form is just as violent or is just as likely to spawn radicals as Islam is in it's current form is, in my opinion, being dishonest.

 

Not what she said dude, go back and read her post again.

 

You either missed the point or are intentionally warping it.

 

She never said anything about which side was more violent or had more extremists atm, just that all extremists are basically bad no matter what side they are on. Also if you want to look through history you'll find Christianity has more then its fair share of violence and extremists.

[Deathangel008]

Well, I think that's actually not true. How many Christians do you see threatening violence when people make fun of Jesus? To say that Christianity in it's current form is just as violent or is just as likely to spawn radicals as Islam is in it's current form is, in my opinion, being dishonest.

the crusades in the name of christianity or the medieval witch persecution by the christian church sure were not violent or cruel  
the only difference here is that in the name of christianity all cruelties were already done.
and you really cant measure an entire religion by some fanatic idiots btw.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'll move to Canada. They're basically the United States with Healthcare. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Not what she said dude, go back and read her post again.
 
You either missed the point or are intentionally warping it.
 
She never said anything about which side was more violent or had more extremists atm, just that all extremists are basically bad no matter what side they are on. Also if you want to look through history you'll find Christianity has more then its fair share of violence and extremists.

Yes, i don't see a difference with both religions extremists, a christian extremist who bombs or shoots up a abortion clinic is no different then a muslim who blows himself up in the middle east, both cause terror in people with their fanatical beliefs

[Isichar]

She said they're equally extremists. Which, if you consider the history of Christianity, is very much true. However...

 

She's not talking about the effect that all the extremists on one side compared to all of the ones on the other side have on the current world, she's talking about how each side has extremists that are willing to do equally despicable things regardless of what side they are on (I mean I don't want to speak for her, but I'm willing to lay money on this being the context)

 

Again in essence: All extremists are bad no matter what side they are on.

[Riven326]

Yes, i don't see a difference with both religions extremists, a christian extremist who bombs or shoots up a abortion clinic is no different then a muslim who blows himself up in the middle east, both cause terror in people with their fanatical beliefs

But how often is that in relation to the atrocities Islamic radicals commit on a daily basis? Be honest.

[Clover Rider]

I think that western civilization and Islam are incompatible.

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