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Natsunomiko21

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I dont know if anyone else thought about it or if I just didnt get it.. but.

 

Why does Corypheus just "gave up" entering the fade at haven/temple of sacred ashes and went all the way to the well of sorrows if he could just try to reopen the breach with the orb, as weve seen in the final battle?

 

It doesnt look like he needs the anchor or the inquisitor for that.. he just went back to haven and said "Ill just do it here, again".. and boom, tried to reopen it ..

I dont get it.. did I miss something?

 

Also, did he want the well of sorrows for its knowledge or was it really the eluvian he wanted (thus needed the well for the key)?



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After a while of playing Bioware games, you just learn to not think too hard about these things or else you'll realize everything is poorly written. 


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Honestly, I don't know why he re-opened the breach. It makes sense how: The Veil was extremely weak and the sky was scarred, it'd be easy for someone as powerful as Cory to tear it open again. Why? No clue. Maybe he was planning to fly through it with his dragon???



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It may be that he needed the knowledge from the Well of Sorrows to actually complete his plan of becoming a "god." Without that, he simply decides to reopen the Breach and take the world down with him. We have seen smaller cases of a torn Veil before, and it's likely very weak in the area where the Breach once was, so Cory wouldn't have had to work hard to reopen it.
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Oh well lol I thought that maybe I missed some important plot point about that :P

The game tried to imply a sense of "desperation" because he lost at arbor wilds.. so thats why he tried again at haven, out of desperation

 

still doesnt make sense because if he could do that, it just would be easier to zerg haven/the temple and keep trying to enter the fade through the breach than running around with his army..



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Because there were no guarantees he would survive entering the Fade that way. The anchor was stolen. The Well of Sorrows was taken from him, robbing him of the knowledge to learn other ways to enter the Fade safely. But he was desperate, there were no other options, and I think he went a little nuts. So he decided to say "screw it" and just try to force his way in via reopening the breach. It may not have worked, though, and he could have died.



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He did it because it was a last resort as his armies were destroyed, his plans for a demon army and throwing the empire into chaos failed and his plans for the well was wreaked as well, so it left that as his last resort. As for where he did it the temple of sacred ashes would be where the vale would be the weakest even with the breach sealed.



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The thing is that he needed the anchor for *something.*  The Orb wasn't enough.  Apparently the Well of Sorrows is a replacement for whatever the anchor was supposed to do.  The Breach alone wasn't enough.

 

At the end, I honestly think it was just petulance.  I forget who says it (Solas maybe? Dorian?) but somebody astutely observes that Corypheus is the type who will just throw away the whole board as soon as he realizes he can't win. 



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Bioware may be better at shaping characters and cultures rather than main storylines, but here, I think there is a method to Cory's madness.  Here's the sequence of events as I imagine it:

 

0.) A millennia ago, Cory is 1 of 7 powerful magisters trying to take over the Golden City, the seat of the Maker, in the Fade.  Even with all 7 of them, they failed, maybe partly because they were also scheming against each other.  However, Cory always wanted to return, but by himself, to take all the power for his own.

 

1.) A millennia later, an opportunity!  Cory somehow is given or steals Solas's Orb, an ancient Elven construct.

 

2.) He plans on using the Orb to create some way to get access to the Fade: the Anchor.  Dagna the crafter hypothesized the Anchor is a key; it can open doors, or it can close them, which was how we mainly used it.  If that's true, then Cory was trying to create a key for him to open every door before him in the Fade.

 

3.) He needs Blood Magic to forge the Achor, the key.  Out of sheer arrogance, he wanted to symbolically use the Divine's blood as his tool to get to the Maker.  Cory believes in symbolism, as described by Morrigan for why he had bound a dragon, just as a gesture to show he's like an old god.

 

4.) Disaster strikes!  This nobody comes and takes the Orb at a critical moment, steals the Anchor, runs away.

 

5.) Cory tries to recover the Anchor, finally tracks it down at Haven.  He goes to get it, finds it is bound to the Herald.  Fumes, but now turns to Plan B.

 

6.) Cory figures there must be other things that could do the same thing as the Anchor, likely to be Elven devices.  He sends his minions everywhere to look through Elven ruins, that's the mid-game.  Of all the leads he had, he finds a real good one: the magic mirror and the key at the Well of Sorrows at the Temple of Mythal.

 

7.) He is again foiled at the Temple of Mythal by the Herald.  This is the 3rd time he met the Herald, who keeps on foiling him.  This is ridiculous, he gets really pissed.  He knows the smarter strategy is to retreat and rebuild, as Leliana said, but right now, he doesn't care about succeeding anymore.  If he can't win, he'll make the whole world lose instead.

 

8.) He goes back to where this feud with the Herald started.  He might not have the forces to assault Skyhold, but he goes nearby: the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  He knows it holds symbolic significance to the Herald, that the Herald must meet his challenge.  IMHO, he was no longer trying to open a Rift into the Fade to cross it, but to rip one open to flood the world with wild magic or whatever is in the Fade.  He's already given up trying to become a god, except to bring Hell on Earth.

 

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Thus, his plan looks really weird, but it's due to 2 things:

 

- at the start, his plan was already flawed, as he's trying to succeed alone where 7 like him failed

 

- in the end, he had already tossed his plan out the window, he just wanted revenge

 

To put it in game terms, Cory was playing a PvP game with us, but when he started to lose, he was just trying to ragequit.  That's why he seemed more and more erratic, like an upset player.


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I like this Coryphenus ragequit idea.

The final mission is named Doom Upon All the World after all.

If he can't win, no one wins evar again!
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Dude this is the same company that brought you the Mass Effect 3 ending does anything really have to make since?



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He can use the orb to open a breach all he wants but, the anchor is what carries him to the fade and, the Inquisitor has that, so even with a breach, Cory can't physically enter the fade and survive, if he could enter it at all. it is the anchor that allows one to enter and survive in the fade physically but, apparently it can allow several at once to do so since Quizzy and companions did it.

 

What I want to know is did the magisters use the orb the first time they breached the fade? Was there an anchor on one of them, one that is now dead so Cory had to recreate it? Was Solas involved in that, was Solas one of those magisters or one of the old gods they sought to serve in person? If so, does his current elven body mean anything or, is that just a convienient host? Are the old gods also elven gods or are only some old gods elven gods? Is that why the elven gods split, the "evil" ones became the old gods while the "good" ones did not? Flemeth calls Merril "one of the people" so we knew what she was then, jsut didn't realize what it meant. She does have a dragon form but, not a corrupted one.

 

So did Solas bring the corruption to the first being to hold the anchor? Why did he give Cory the orb? Was he with Cory for the 1000 years he "slept"? So many questions and so few answers.



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What I don't understand is, once Corypheus realized that the Anchor was tied to the Herald, why couldn't he go back and make another one.  It seemed like he had more than one orb.   It must've been difficult and he must've been impatient.  



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Didn't Morrigan say that the Well was the key to the Eluvian?

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What I don't understand is, once Corypheus realized that the Anchor was tied to the Herald, why couldn't he go back and make another one.  It seemed like he had more than one orb.   It must've been difficult and he must've been impatient.  

he only had the one orb. If there were more solas wouldn't be so upset



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What I want to know is did the magisters use the orb the first time they breached the fade? Was there an anchor on one of them, one that is now dead so Cory had to recreate it? Was Solas involved in that, was Solas one of those magisters or one of the old gods they sought to serve in person? If so, does his current elven body mean anything or, is that just a convienient host? Are the old gods also elven gods or are only some old gods elven gods? Is that why the elven gods split, the "evil" ones became the old gods while the "good" ones did not? Flemeth calls Merril "one of the people" so we knew what she was then, jsut didn't realize what it meant. She does have a dragon form but, not a corrupted one.

 

So did Solas bring the corruption to the first being to hold the anchor? Why did he give Cory the orb? Was he with Cory for the 1000 years he "slept"? So many questions and so few answers.

 

Setting Lore says that the 7 Magisters who entered the Fade used the blood of hundreds of slaves and a ridiculous amount of lyrium to accomplish their goal. Who needs the finesse of an ancient elven aritfact when you have enough raw power you can just throw at the problem? 

 

Personal Theory:

 

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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Cory is just a 10 year old ragequitting and calling your mom names at the end lol



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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Cory is just a 10 year old ragequitting and calling your mom names at the end lol

 

That boils it down, yes.



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I dont know if anyone else thought about it or if I just didnt get it.. but.

 

Why does Corypheus just "gave up" entering the fade at haven/temple of sacred ashes and went all the way to the well of sorrows if he could just try to reopen the breach with the orb, as weve seen in the final battle?

 

It doesnt look like he needs the anchor or the inquisitor for that.. he just went back to haven and said "Ill just do it here, again".. and boom, tried to reopen it ..

I dont get it.. did I miss something?

 

Also, did he want the well of sorrows for its knowledge or was it really the eluvian he wanted (thus needed the well for the key)?

 

It,s said that it will kill him. He kinda wishes to avoid that before. Your efforts just made him desperate.



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Here's what I don't get: why not just make Corypheus go after the Inquisitor personally to let him into the Fade/Black City? Just start killing off the Inquisitor's associates until he gives in! It's such a simple and good plan and yet Bioware decided not to use it... why?

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3.) He needs Blood Magic to forge the Achor, the key.  Out of sheer arrogance, he wanted to symbolically use the Divine's blood as his tool to get to the Maker.  Cory believes in symbolism, as described by Morrigan for why he had bound a dragon, just as a gesture to show he's like an old god.

 

 

Some thoughts I had about this one:  I almost wonder if Cory's blood magic, at least as it pertains to the fade, is powered and shaped by belief. As Solas says, mortal emotions, thoughts, and dreams leak through to the fade and give it form and substance.  Spirits/demons feed/prey on the emotions/memories/thoughts of mortals.  Was using the Divine as a sacrifice solely a political move, or was it necessary as she was/is the mortal focus point for the beliefs of millions? IE: Sacrifice some slave and you get the power contained in their soul, but sacrifice the spiritual leader to world-spanning religion and a portion of the power from all of those people is granted.


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Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Cory is just a 10 year old ragequitting and calling your mom names at the end lol

 

Yeah, I agree and I got the feeling that was partially what Bioware was going for. It didn't help that to me, Cory was probably the weakest, story-wise, big bad in a Bioware ever, and I am counting the Archdemon and NWN games in to this. He was a lot more substantive in Legacy, where I had a much stronger grasp what the character was supposed to be about than here.

 

There were a lot hints in the game, though, of what I assume Bioware wanted from Cory, but it really never came through and didn't help that most of his henchmen seemed to just be mustache-twirling villains with the exception of Alexius and Samson. I felt Bioware wanted Cory to be this inherently fearful and fragile human, who had been faced with such a dark revelation at the moment that was supposed to be his greatest triumph, that now even while being one of the most powerful beings in Thedas, he is still driven by those same fears and insecurities, which lead him to declare that he himself shall become a god while clinging to the glory of his old Empire. Yet when all that is taken away from him by the Herald, he takes that one more petty stab at the world, wanting it to be washed away by demons rather than continue on as proof of his failings and fears.

 

I don't know if that was the intention for the character, as said a lot of it is assumption, but that is what happens when you have a villain as thin as Cory.



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Here's what I don't get: why not just make Corypheus go after the Inquisitor personally to let him into the Fade/Black City? Just start killing off the Inquisitor's associates until he gives in! It's such a simple and good plan and yet Bioware decided not to use it... why?

 

I could see maybe going after associates and family not in Skyhold but Skyhold itself which is about the worse for him possible place he could strike at. Morrigan, Solas, Cullen and others note how protected Skyhold was both physically and mystically. Its why he never attacks the place, the location would be a nightmare to protect and its protected by ancient magics which as morrigan noted has seeped into the stones themselves. Of course that was all as planned by Solas given who he really is.



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I thought the title said Cory's pants. I was severely mistaken.

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Here is another question, if Cory is the rage quitting spiteful brat we are painting him as.


Why doesn't Cory kill the quizzie at Haven?