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[L. Han]

He never wins anything and he never even makes an attempt to make you emphasize with him.

 

His plan was to fail from the start.

[LaughingBanana]

Bioware may be better at shaping characters and cultures rather than main storylines, but here, I think there is a method to Cory's madness.  Here's the sequence of events as I imagine it:

 

0.) A millennia ago, Cory is 1 of 7 powerful magisters trying to take over the Golden City, the seat of the Maker, in the Fade.  Even with all 7 of them, they failed, maybe partly because they were also scheming against each other.  However, Cory always wanted to return, but by himself, to take all the power for his own.

 

1.) A millennia later, an opportunity!  Cory somehow is given or steals Solas's Orb, an ancient Elven construct.

 

2.) He plans on using the Orb to create some way to get access to the Fade: the Anchor.  Dagna the crafter hypothesized the Anchor is a key; it can open doors, or it can close them, which was how we mainly used it.  If that's true, then Cory was trying to create a key for him to open every door before him in the Fade.

 

3.) He needs Blood Magic to forge the Achor, the key.  Out of sheer arrogance, he wanted to symbolically use the Divine's blood as his tool to get to the Maker.  Cory believes in symbolism, as described by Morrigan for why he had bound a dragon, just as a gesture to show he's like an old god.

 

4.) Disaster strikes!  This nobody comes and takes the Orb at a critical moment, steals the Anchor, runs away.

 

5.) Cory tries to recover the Anchor, finally tracks it down at Haven.  He goes to get it, finds it is bound to the Herald.  Fumes, but now turns to Plan B.

 

6.) Cory figures there must be other things that could do the same thing as the Anchor, likely to be Elven devices.  He sends his minions everywhere to look through Elven ruins, that's the mid-game.  Of all the leads he had, he finds a real good one: the magic mirror and the key at the Well of Sorrows at the Temple of Mythal.

 

7.) He is again foiled at the Temple of Mythal by the Herald.  This is the 3rd time he met the Herald, who keeps on foiling him.  This is ridiculous, he gets really pissed.  He knows the smarter strategy is to retreat and rebuild, as Leliana said, but right now, he doesn't care about succeeding anymore.  If he can't win, he'll make the whole world lose instead.

 

8.) He goes back to where this feud with the Herald started.  He might not have the forces to assault Skyhold, but he goes nearby: the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  He knows it holds symbolic significance to the Herald, that the Herald must meet his challenge.  IMHO, he was no longer trying to open a Rift into the Fade to cross it, but to rip one open to flood the world with wild magic or whatever is in the Fade.  He's already given up trying to become a god, except to bring Hell on Earth.

 

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Thus, his plan looks really weird, but it's due to 2 things:

 

- at the start, his plan was already flawed, as he's trying to succeed alone where 7 like him failed

 

- in the end, he had already tossed his plan out the window, he just wanted revenge

 

To put it in game terms, Cory was playing a PvP game with us, but when he started to lose, he was just trying to ragequit.  That's why he seemed more and more erratic, like an upset player.

 

While I like your theory, I personally think you're giving Bioware too much credit here, haha.

[Draining Dragon]

After a while of playing Bioware games, you just learn to not think too hard about these things or else you'll realize everything is poorly written.

Yeah, but Coryfish takes the cake in that department.

[Shahadem]

It may be that he needed the knowledge from the Well of Sorrows to actually complete his plan of becoming a "god." Without that, he simply decides to reopen the Breach and take the world down with him. We seen smaller cases of a torn Veil before, and it's likely very weak in the area where the Breach once was, so Cory wouldn't have had to work hard to reopen it.

 

What knowledge though? The Well was just the memories of a bunch of mortal priests. The very fact that they all died kinda proves that they never figured out how to become immortal.

 

That also kinda makes that information useless, considering how out of date it is. I mean sure it was historically interesting (and therefore of high value to the Dalish), but not particularly useful.

[Swaggerjking]

What knowledge though? The Well was just the memories of a bunch of mortal priests. The very fact that they all died kinda proves that they never figured out how to become immortal.

 

That also kinda makes that information useless, considering how out of date it is. I mean sure it was historically interesting (and therefore of high value to the Dalish), but not particularly useful.

He doesn't know that though all he knows are rumor and tales for all we know that just say unlimited knowledge for whoever drinks in this if that but who knows case Samson or cali who tells him or at least to my knowledge i haven't done the cali side quest to hear the ranting of cory though i doubt they say anything about it

 

But Bioware failed about going indef about this car more than any other more so than Meredith I never learn about until listening to ladyinsanity a year ago ages after i played da2 i just Kinda gave up about asking all the questions in the third chapter but i agree with her in her review about corry that he is complete one dimensional if you side with the mages and if you didn't do the sidequest hich can be teious at least with the war table mission on the templar side probably the same with the mage and we don't learn anything about ancient tevinter  in which he wants to bring back so we can't at least sympathize with him in te least bit or at least with out really digging all we know that they are a bunch of a holes who sacrifice a bunch of slaves to enter the fade   

[DarkSpiral]

What knowledge though? The Well was just the memories of a bunch of mortal priests. The very fact that they all died kinda proves that they never figured out how to become immortal.

 

That also kinda makes that information useless, considering how out of date it is. I mean sure it was historically interesting (and therefore of high value to the Dalish), but not particularly useful.

The Well was never supposed to unlock the secret of eternal life, it was a way to learn how to physically enter the Fade and reach the Black City.  And even if it didn't have that specific knowledge contained in the waters, it was far to dangerous a thing to allow it to fall into Corypheus' hands.

 

 

Here is another question, if Cory is the rage quitting spiteful brat we are painting him as.


Why doesn't Cory kill the quizzie at Haven?

 

 

At first he is busy monologuing.  This is a time-honored tradition of villains everywhere, and should be respected as the time-honored tradition that it is! 

 

More seriously...he's about to do exactly that when you drop the mountain on top of Haven.  Then he flies off on his not-an-Archdemon, leaving you to be buried alive.

[Joseph Warrick]

I remember David Gaider said Inquisition's characters were going to be less like "I'm an extremist with difficult to understand reasons" and more like "this is why my position is morally correct". Does this apply to Corypheus?

[Apo]

8.) He goes back to where this feud with the Herald started.  He might not have the forces to assault Skyhold, but he goes nearby: the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  He knows it holds symbolic significance to the Herald, that the Herald must meet his challenge.  IMHO, he was no longer trying to open a Rift into the Fade to cross it, but to rip one open to flood the world with wild magic or whatever is in the Fade.  He's already given up trying to become a god, except to bring Hell on Earth.

 

That's exactly what we see in the potential future, where it was supposed that the Herald is dead and the breach speading across Thedas.
Alexius tells us that the disappearance of the Herald (and his anchor) caused Corypheus going mad and tearing the sky open to let the world burn.

[Vyndral]

The Well was never supposed to unlock the secret of eternal life, it was a way to learn how to physically enter the Fade and reach the Black City.  And even if it didn't have that specific knowledge contained in the waters, it was far to dangerous a thing to allow it to fall into Corypheus' hands.
 
 



 
At first he is busy monologuing.  This is a time-honored tradition of villains everywhere, and should be respected as the time-honored tradition that it is! 
 
More seriously...he's about to do exactly that when you drop the mountain on top of Haven.  Then he flies off on his not-an-Archdemon, leaving you to be buried alive.

That is sort of my issue. Why doesn't he stay and finish the job? This thread is full of he is a spiteful rage filled poor sport angry pvper. So why doesn't he stay to dance on your stupid dead corpse. It is what any angry pvper would do. Oh I know because a mountain was coming.... Let us see... He can't die, and he shows us more then enough power to get out from under a mountain of snow. So...
I mean going into the well he even shows a willingness to let himself get killed just to show off, so he wouldn't hang out just to make sure you die before he gets buried/killed?

[Alan Drifter13]

 

Why does Corypheus just "gave up" entering the fade at haven/temple of sacred ashes and went all the way to the well of sorrows if he could just try to reopen the breach with the orb, as weve seen in the final battle?

 

 

It is explained by a short dialog line just before the final mission. Cullen says the inquisitor will have to got to stop Corypheus alone because the army is still coming back from the Arbor wilds, and one of your options for replying is "he knows it" (or something similar).

 

So, the order is:

 

1) Corypheus doesn't want to be close to the inquisition's headquarters, so he thinks of the option in the Arbor Wilds. He takes the remaining of his Warden/red templar army there just in case they need to slow down the inquisition to give him some time to use the eluvian.

2) Plan 1 fails, but Corypheus sees a desperate opportunity to open the breach again. It's very close to the inquisition's headquarters, but since the army travels much slower than he does, he knows he only needs to stop the inquisitor and his friends for a while (remember he doesn't expect Morrigan to distract his dragon).

 

Yes, it's a week explanation, but it more or less justifies Cory's course of action.

[Apo]

That is sort of my issue. Why doesn't he stay and finish the job? This thread is full of he is a spiteful rage filled poor sport angry pvper. So why doesn't he stay to dance on your stupid dead corpse. It is what any angry pvper would do. Oh I know because a mountain was coming.... Let us see... He can't die, and he shows us more then enough power to get out from under a mountain of snow. So...
I mean going into the well he even shows a willingness to let himself get killed just to show off, so he wouldn't hang out just to make sure you die before he gets buried/killed?

 

He can't resurrect unless there's a blighted corpse around.

[Vyndral]

He can't resurrect unless there's a blighted corpse around.

So when they say he has put part of himself in his dragon and his range to resurrect is unlimited, what they meant is, he has to be standing on a blighted corpse?

Edits and even if that isnt a factor.. If only there would be a blighted corpse somewhere nearby... In the valley full of blughted creatures attacking haven... Im not sure where we will find one...

[Alan Drifter13]

He can't resurrect unless there's a blighted corpse around.

True. Which, by the way, makes the ending of "Legacy" nonsensical if you went there with either Anders or your warden brother (I went with both of them), since they will be much closer to Corypheus when he dies than Larius.

[9TailsFox]

Why Cory do stupid thinks, because he lost.

[TMA LIVE]

True. Which, by the way, makes the ending of "Legacy" nonsensical if you went there with either Anders or your warden brother (I went with both of them), since they will be much closer to Corypheus when he dies than Larius.

About that, is it suppose to be the Greyward Survivor  Coryfish ends up possessing in the end? Or was the Grey Warden survivor at the end of Legacy just being a creep before they walked away?

[CronoDragoon]

Bioware may be better at shaping characters and cultures rather than main storylines, but here, I think there is a method to Cory's madness.  Here's the sequence of events as I imagine it:

 

Great post that illustrates something that can confuse players following the main storyline: The Breach was never created by Corypheus as a means of entering the Fade. It's a catastrophic accident caused by the Inquisitor interrupting the ritual and destabilizing the anchor. This also explains why Solas is so hellbent on closing it: nobody including Cory wanted the Breach to happen, though Cory does try to open it at the end because the Quizzie has pwned him to desperation.

[Moghedia]

What makes Corypheus think he will be more successful in his attempt at apotheosis second time around?

That this question went unanswered really bothered me.

[ev76]

I like this Coryphenus ragequit idea.

The final mission is named Doom Upon All the World after all.

If he can't win, no one wins evar again!

Yep doom upon all the world.

[CronoDragoon]

What makes Corypheus think he will be more successful in his attempt at apotheosis second time around?

That this question went unanswered really bothered me.

 

Presumably because he is using a different means to enter the Black City. He's also already Blighted, so he doesn't have to worry about that this time.

[X Equestris]

About that, is it suppose to be the Greyward Survivor  Coryfish ends up possessing in the end? Or was the Grey Warden survivor at the end of Legacy just being a creep before they walked away?

Yes, Cory possessed the Warden you sided with in Legacy. I can't speak for Janeka, but Bianca mentions running into Larius in the Deep Roads, and that he was a mage, which he most definitely wasn't in the dlc.

[Jester]

True. Which, by the way, makes the ending of "Legacy" nonsensical if you went there with either Anders or your warden brother (I went with both of them), since they will be much closer to Corypheus when he dies than Larius.

Closer - yes. But I think Corypheus had a purpose in jumping into Larius/Janeka instead of other two options:

 

1) I think he cannot jump into Anders, or it would be more difficult/risky because of Vengeance inside him. 

2) Hawke would probably realize that something is wrong with Carver/Bethany. 

 

So the Grey Warden survivor was the safest bet. 

 

Great post that illustrates something that can confuse players following the main storyline: The Breach was never created by Corypheus as a means of entering the Fade. It's a catastrophic accident caused by the Inquisitor interrupting the ritual and destabilizing the anchor. This also explains why Solas is so hellbent on closing it: nobody including Cory wanted the Breach to happen, though Cory does try to open it at the end because the Quizzie has pwned him to desperation.

Exactly. The Breach was not planned for. It is also possible that this is the reason why Corypheus attacked Haven AFTER The Inquisitor closed the Breach - so it's one less problem on his head. 

 

 

What knowledge though? The Well was just the memories of a bunch of mortal priests. The very fact that they all died kinda proves that they never figured out how to become immortal.

 

That also kinda makes that information useless, considering how out of date it is. I mean sure it was historically interesting (and therefore of high value to the Dalish), but not particularly useful.

Knowledge on how to activate the Eluvian and how to enter the Fade through Eluvian physically. 

In case you didn't notice, Flemeth-Mythal knows exactly how to do that. 

[TudorWolf]

I thought his last plan was to draw the Inquisitor in with few allies, since the bulk of your army is still off in Orlais after the Arbor Wilds battle. The squad took a shortcut through the Eluvian and so are near the breach immediately when he does it. Since you're the only one who can close the breach again you can't ignore it or it'll destroy the world.

 

So he either:

a) Kills you and thus frees up the anchor for himself again

or He takes you with him by destroying everything.

 

You having your own dragon is a major deciding factor because your taking his dragon out wasn't a possibility he'd planned for, and it makes him mortal

[Alan Drifter13]

About that, is it suppose to be the Greyward Survivor  Coryfish ends up possessing in the end? Or was the Grey Warden survivor at the end of Legacy just being a creep before they walked away?

 

There is a reference in DA:I to Larius being possesed by Corypheus, yes.

[myztikrice]

Great post that illustrates something that can confuse players following the main storyline: The Breach was never created by Corypheus as a means of entering the Fade. It's a catastrophic accident caused by the Inquisitor interrupting the ritual and destabilizing the anchor. This also explains why Solas is so hellbent on closing it: nobody including Cory wanted the Breach to happen, though Cory does try to open it at the end because the Quizzie has pwned him to desperation.

Yes it was, the explosion was the unintended side effect not the Breach.

[Zombie Chow]

Sorry for long thread earlier, did it right before bed, thanks for reading and the likes.  More than that, I really preferred the other ideas you posted, just picking out a few here in particular (but I couldn't get the multi-quote function to work, darn it):

 

Re: Sacrificing Divine Justininia more than political, but as a focus for magic

 

Feranel, that totally makes more sense, yeah.  In Dragon Age's lore, in particular, wielding magic is merely focusing.  The Fade is for most everyone that can dream, but mages have particular talents drawing from it for spells or to become abomination.  IIRC, even things like lyrium is described as concentrated magicstuffs in physical form.  Blood magic is like using concentrated life as a fuel.  But most of all, the Orb itself is said to merely be a device for focusing magic energy IIRC.

 

And with the Fade, and by extension magic, being just dreams and emotions and thoughts, what better focus than a living symbol of faith?  Yeah, that totally is the better reason.

 

(One idea I thought of, but then realized it didn't make sense: maybe deaths at the Conclave explosion was used in the blood magic ritual that opened the Breach.  But then I kinda realized blood magic probably needs to be a little more precise than that, even the Envy Demon says something like Cory wants people to "die the right way."  But a Divine dying in a ritual, that is certainly precise.)

 

Re: The Breach as an unintended side effect

 

An absolutely great point by Chrono Dragoon and others!  It's a catastrophe, and people instinctively attribute blame to make sense of it, but yeah.  Even the Rifts.

 

Cory likes causing internal strife, but he's pretty precise about it.  Covertly replace the head of the mage rebellion with his Tevinter cultists.  Covertly replace the head of the Templars with his Envy demon.  Covertly replace the Empress with a coup.  Overtly making a big ol' hole just doesn't seem his style.

 

He may have still capitalized on the chaos it created, but at the same time, it may have forced his hand.  Like everyone in Thedas knows -something- is happening, they suddenly put their guard up, which actually works against Cory.  It may have forced him to accelerate his plans, pushing his subordinates before they were ready...which probably is why they're all so incompetent.

 

Re: Why didn't Cory roflstomp you when he had the chance at Haven?

 

Vyndral and others, I'm with you.  But Cory wanted us to suffer first.

 

It's not just the trope, it's the truth.  Psychopaths, serial killers, people who want to be gods, their goal isn't actually to kill.  Their goal is to feel power over other lives, so they want to draw out the process.  They get off on it.  To kill us would be premature.

 

To give a game parallel, I don't know if you guys did this as well, but I deliberately saved the dragons for my post-endgame except for that one I had to get for Vivienne (and I killed the wrong one at 1st, lol.)  I wanted to savour that experience, while thinking of it with great respect.  We may have been his dragon.

 

At the same time, Cory had other things to do, like a coup in Orleis and finding another elven artifact, so he couldn't faff around any longer, giving us a chance to rebuild at Skyhold, build up our forces, etc.

 

Re: Why Cory tried to do something alone when 7 of his power failed?

 

To Moghedia and others, I totally understand you.  Yet I can also understand Cory, as I had this experience at work.

 

Remember as much as they were cooperating, they were competing.  Maybe what caused their attempt at seizing the Golden City last time was infighting.  So this time, Cory went it alone only with the help of very loyal (yet possibly incompetent) followers, cultists, etc.  Sometimes it's easier to go it alone.

 

As for why he still tried to be a god after we stole the Anchor?  Accidents happen, the goal remains.  We try again after some hard lessons learned.

 

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Sorry for another long post, but I wanted to mention, in terms of an adversary, I genuinely admired Loghain in the end whereas I just wanted to defeat Cory and get it over with.  So I'm not the biggest Cory fan and I'm not defending him, yet I still understand some of the decisions he made.