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[Amirit]

When you ask you companions and advisors who should you place on Orleasian throne, some say Celene, some Gaspard. And While Celen's supporters are understandable, I can not see a single reason for our companions and advisors to support Gaspard. I mean, Gaspard openly declared expansionism and the first country to attack is Ferelden - he mentions it specifically. How on earth Cullen (with his Ferelden Origin and having his whole family in Ferelden) can support that?! Same goes for our Free marcher - Inquisitor. Placing an expansionist on the throne of the Empire with the biggest army in Thedas looks ... not the bes political move, let's put it like this. 

 

The logic behind many quests in DAI escapes me.

[Zeroth Angel]

Because saving the world takes priority over a country.

[Arlee]

He explains why quite clearly. He doesn't think Celene has done a great job as a leader because it was a big part her fault the whole situation during that quest came up. Gespard on the other hand is a military man who would probably be able to not only keep Orlais stable but would be up to the task of helping to deal with everything else which was going on.

[Ashagar]

I think its because Cullen doesn't think Celene has the ability to deal with the crisis and Gaspard will like Celene make formal peace with Ferelden though in Gaspard's case that's because he likely has war with Tevintor on the mind after the current crisis is dealt with.

[Machina Obscura]

As much as he's gone emo about Meredith, Cullen still values strong militaristic leadership. Particularly in a world-eating crisis. Given that our inquisitor isnt from Fereldan, and that all options to lead Orlais are terrible people, then why not Gaspard? Also, Cullcull might be Fereldan, but he hardly had a good time there, eh?

 

Also, the inquisition wants soldiers and wants them fast, for this gaspard would be slightly better choice.

[jlb524]

Not the best political move maybe but this isn't about politics.

There's also hope the Inquisition could influence Gaspard to steer him away from that path in the future. There is a war table mission relating to this iirc.

[LinksOcarina]

Cullen is also not a good politician either. I don't think he is looking at it from a political perspective, he's looking at it from a physical, practical one.

[Amirit]

He explains why quite clearly. He doesn't think Celene has done a great job as a leader because it was a big part her fault the whole situation during that quest came up. Gespard on the other hand is a military man who would probably be able to not only keep Orlais stable but would be up to the task of helping to deal with everything else which was going on.

 

Actually, the only valid argument he produced was "Gaspard is the rightful ruler and Celene outplayed him". I'd say you can not blame every ruler for being attacked by a power hungry opponent - and this is exactly the thing he blames Celene for. For 20 years Orlei did not bother it's neighbors at all and he wants to though it all away? Not a good advise from an adviser. 

Army is still at our disposal, no matter who rules, but how can he be so short-sided?

 

P.S. No, wrong wording - how can he be DEPICTED so short-sided? 

[BloodyTalon]

Cullen in that sense is looking at things from a tactical view point, and what the country the inquestion gets the most support from at the time needs most strong military leader, think he explains his thoughts quite clearly.

And has for him being a traitor that isn't possible his first loyalty is to the inquestion.

He hasn't been in  Ferelden for ten years, and hee was part of the templar order so his country of origins has never been something he has been loyal to, he has other things first. His only concern in that country is his family, not there king and queen is the feeling I got.  The rest of it is just his ob and nothing more when he views a country

Modifié par BloodyTalon, 22 décembre 2014 - 06:36 .

[Barquiel]

I had the impression they simply needed one advisor to support Gaspard because Josephine had Celene and Leliana already favored Briala. Cullen's reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. Gaspard was the one who started the civil war in the first place and put Orlais in more danger than ever in an effort to seize power for himself. At the same time his entire plan to unite the country is to attack Orlais' neighboors. And he's supposed to ensure stability?

[Amirit]

I had the impression they simply needed one advisor to support Gaspard because Josephine had Celene and Leliana already favored Briala. Cullen's reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. Gaspard was the one who started the civil war in the first place and put Orlais in more danger than ever in an effort to seize power for himself. At the same time his entire plan to unite the country is to attack Orlais' neighboors. And he's supposed to ensure stability?

 

QFTT  My exact understanding of the situation. I guess, you are right about necessity for one advisor to support Gaspard but I would rather stop at Leliana's "Gaspard plus Briala" plan. It's not the only explanation for some deeds in game that looks ... out of place and forced, but one that saddens me.

[MoonDrummer]

I imagine loghain rolling in his grave when e hears Cullen- a ferelden refer to val royeux as the capital. Or maybe warden loghain's ears twitching.

[BloodyTalon]

I didn't really listen to the advisors on that choice either did ask who they supported, but mainly listen to my friends I brought along and needless to say Cass gave the best reasons

Edit: Oh wait that means Cass is a traitor to her homeland too! -smirks-

Modifié par BloodyTalon, 22 décembre 2014 - 07:04 .

[RedWulfi]

At least Gaspard actually stays with the Inquisition unlike Celene.

[pvpgirl]

At least Gaspard actually stays with the Inquisition unlike Celene.

Huh?  In the one I left Celene in charge, she clung to the Inquisition.  

 

As for Cullen being a traitor...

 

DAI isn't about Fereldon.  And as much love as I feel for Fereldon, the Inquisitor's job isn't to do what is best for Fereldon.  It's to do what's best for Thedas to counter the threat of the Breach and Cory.  Cullen is simply offering his advice on what he feels would be the best choice given what you face.

[L. Han]

The advisor's advice in that situation was so ham-handed. Their respective choices only reflect their profession (Cullen and Gaspard are militaristic, Josephine and Celene are cunning and political, so on)

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I had the impression they simply needed one advisor to support Gaspard because Josephine had Celene and Leliana already favored Briala. Cullen's reasoning doesn't make any sense to me. Gaspard was the one who started the civil war in the first place and put Orlais in more danger than ever in an effort to seize power for himself. At the same time his entire plan to unite the country is to attack Orlais' neighboors. And he's supposed to ensure stability?

To be fair Josephine's reason to supporting Celene is rather weak. Does she realize that if the new ruler has ascended to the throne, and Celene is dead that Celene's rightful claim to the throne is forfeit.

[LobselVith8]

QFTT  My exact understanding of the situation. I guess, you are right about necessity for one advisor to support Gaspard but I would rather stop at Leliana's "Gaspard plus Briala" plan. It's not the only explanation for some deeds in game that looks ... out of place and forced, but one that saddens me.

 

I don't see what's forced about Leliana supporting Briala, considering how she thinks Briala can empower the elves.

[Obadiah]

Cullen, a military man, probably just understands Gaspard better.

[LobselVith8]

His new fangirls (and boys) at the winter palace will protect him from the consequences of his treason.

 

Possibly. 

 

It's also possible the Inquisitor may not care about Ferelden, since the main character is from the Free Marches and may feel no loyalty to the kingdom or the current regime. It is optional to help keep the peace between Orlais and Ferelden, after all, and it seems forsaking the war table quest (where Josephine gets involved) leads to Gaspard invading Ferelden.

[fizzypop]

Cullen is just there to look pretty. I don't ask for his opinion on ****.

[berrieh]

Cullen is from Ferelden, but it's clear he considers himself kind of outside of that. No wonder after 10 years in Kirkwall. He never thought he'd come back. He's also stationed in Orlais and dealing with a situation in Orlais when he makes that assessment, and he's not working for Ferelden or Orlais, but the nationless Inquisition (and before that, the nationless Templar Order, which if it has a nation at all, is Orlais, since that's where the Templar Command is). 

 

Also, the idea that Gaspard will actually invade Ferelden is basically speculation, isn't it? Where did he openly declare it? I must've missed that conversation. He does believe in strong Orlesian military might, of course. 

 

Gaspard is not just a potential ruler but a very famous Chevelier, and several things Cullen says (in voice-acting and in the little agent notes on the War Table) suggest he has great admiration for the Cheveliers, their skill, and their code. I don't find it OOC for Cullen to endorse him at all. 

[Xx Serissia xX]

When you put Gaspard on the throne do you still get the peace between Orlais and Ferelden war table mission?