The moment you stop thinking about what's best for the world and you start putting the Orlais-Ferelden thing as first priority, you become Loghain. Maybe it's better to keep politics in perspective, when you have an ancient magister threatning to swallow the world.
You could say the same thing about putting the elven thing as first priority, to those who try to support the elves through Briala.
You could say the same thing about putting the elven thing as first priority, to those who try to support the elves through Briala.
Or people who try to reconcile Celene and Briala as if it's the first priority after they read TME and thought that unhealthy toxic and abusive relationship romantic, and pretending the Inquisition is on the quest for love.
funny how this is aimed at cullen been a traitor, when both him and cass support gaspard on the throne, yet op only has a go at cullen, i wonder why that is, aren't both considered traitors in that case, or is cass above it, and considering her and leliana started the inquisition, and seekers watch over templars, wouldn't her supporting gaspard knowing he'd attack ferelden be just as much traitorous as cullen yet i don't see her name up in the title ?
funny how this is aimed at cullen been a traitor, when both him and cass support gaspard on the throne, yet op only has a go at cullen, i wonder why that is, aren't both considered traitors in that case, or is cass above it, and considering her and leliana started the inquisition, and seekers watch over templars, wouldn't her supporting gaspard knowing he'd attack ferelden be just as much traitorous as cullen yet i don't see her name up in the title ?
In this case according to OP's logic. We can add Leliana to the list since she's suggesting the player should let Celene die.
oh oops yeah i forgot about leliana saying that, very true
funny how this is aimed at cullen been a traitor, when both him and cass support gaspard on the throne, yet op only has a go at cullen, i wonder why that is, aren't both considered traitors in that case, or is cass above it, and considering her and leliana started the inquisition, and seekers watch over templars, wouldn't her supporting gaspard knowing he'd attack ferelden be just as much traitorous as cullen yet i don't see her name up in the title ?
Should you read the OP post you would notice words like "our companions" - plural. Cullen stands out because he is fereldan (unlike Leliana, who counts herself orlesian or Cassandra who run away from her country and never looked back) and has his well loved family there, in Ferelden. More then this, the war between Ferelden and Orleis is a relatively resent event, which Cullen, as a military and educated man is supposed to know very well.
He is acting not as a savior of the world, but as a very pro-Orleis or an extremely short-sided man, who is trying to put a Napoleon on a throne of the country which is far from friendly to his own.
wether cullen did or not really doesn't matter, because eventually orlais would be at war with ferelden again regardless, celene wont live forever and many orlesians hate ferelden, it's pretty much inevitable, and from cullen's point he's looking at it as the world is in chaos and could get sucked into a breach, he's military so most of his advice is from that point of view, as far as he can see if orlais is to stand a chance gaspard would be more equipped to deal with the kind of trouble that the world is currently facing, and before i get accused of favouring cullen, i had celene stay on the throne, but i can see how cullen would think like that, and cassandra, it does not mean he doesn't care about his family, he keeps in contact with them, if they were in trouble i'm certain he would jump to their aid instantly and he would ask the inquisition for help, i have no doubt about that, as for ferelden, they have had alot of trouble and seem to get through it, plus the inquisition would still be there in fource to help if the worst should happen, i'm sure cullen thought of that also
Except for the fact that the ending cutscene I saw had Gaspard on the throne whom SETTLED the issues between Orlais and Fereldan and is now reinforcing the Tevinter border. There you go, peace between Orlais and Fereldan, and it was all the "fault" of Cullen.
i would actually like to try gaspard on the throne, but i have never been able to let celene die
i would actually like to try gaspard on the throne, but i have never been able to let celene die
You should.
Anything to get rid of that awful awful voice.
lmao so it wasn't just me that facepalmed at celene's voice, yeah i wanted to try all outcomes, i just felt awful letting her die, but yeah i might go for it this playthrough 
lmao so it wasn't just me that facepalmed at celene's voice, yeah i wanted to try all outcomes, i just felt awful letting her die, but yeah i might go for it this playthrough
You'll be glad you did.
Politics aside any character that makes me miss ISOLDE's voice needs to die for the good of Thedas.
Except for the fact that the ending cutscene I saw had Gaspard on the throne whom SETTLED the issues between Orlais and Fereldan and is now reinforcing the Tevinter border. There you go, peace between Orlais and Fereldan, and it was all the "fault" of Cullen.
No, it was done by Iquisition, and it's not something certain. First, you put a militaristic expansionist on the throne and then you begin to think how to tame him (if you have time and resources). Bad politic, bad strategy. Not to mention a demonstrative support of a riot and civil war by inquisition.
wow seriously, you're gonna tell people how to play their game, ok time for me to walk away, these things always go bad
Yes, but you have to find the clues which implicate Celene as creating this whole situation in order to have that option.
Is this definite? It was my understanding Celene would always have to be ruler (in some fashion) if she was alive. If this is possible though it would probably be my go to outcome though. Gaspard + peace talks seems like the best outcome for Orlais imo but outmaneuvering the assassin (can never remember her name) is too fun to pass up.
I'll have to try this on my current playthhrough, Here Lies the Abyss and this are my current main quests so it's too far off at least
No, it was done by Iquisition, and it's not something certain. First, you put a militaristic expansionist on the throne and then you begin to think how to tame him (if you have time and resources). Bad politic, bad strategy. Not to mention a demonstrative support of a riot and civil war by inquisition.
Sometimes you need to cut of a dying branch.
Funny how the endings where Orlais prospers require Celene to live.
I wonder, would you people still support Gaspard if peace wasn't an option and he always invaded Ferelden if he rules?
I wonder, would you people still support Gaspard if peace wasn't an option and he always invaded Ferelden if he rules?
Yes. I play my warden and my Inquisitor with a sense of urgency, I need troops fast and people who know how they use them, so that i might stop some evil magical world-dooming force. What people do after that force is destroyed is up to them.
From a meta-gaming perspective this means i don't always get the "nice" ending, but looking at how messed up the game world is even if i get the "nice" endings, i don't think it matters all that much. By the time next game rolls around we're back to everything is going to hell anyway.
Add to this fact that I find Celene to be a really weak leader who let her country go to ****, and I suddenly prefer Gaspard, who at least is straight-talking for an Orlesian noble.
I wonder, would you people still support Gaspard if peace wasn't an option and he always invaded Ferelden if he rules?
No I would make them all work together, but your question is irrelevant the option to make peace is in the game so I support Gaspard. Celene is weak and I agree with Cullen she led her country to the brink of destruction why would I support that kind of leadership?
Is this definite? It was my understanding Celene would always have to be ruler (in some fashion) if she was alive. If this is possible though it would probably be my go to outcome though. Gaspard + peace talks seems like the best outcome for Orlais imo but outmaneuvering the assassin (can never remember her name) is too fun to pass up.
I'll have to try this on my current playthhrough, Here Lies the Abyss and this are my current main quests so it's too far off at least
I think it is possible to have Gaspard take over with Celene alive, but I haven't tried it yet. I have a save point there I need to go back and test out. I know it is definitly possible to have both Celene and Gaspard rule together, or Gaspard, Celene, and Brialla all three ruling together. Both of those options seem like they would be an unmitigated disaster though; but they are locked behind finding the evidence which incriminates Celene. I am fairly certain you can have Gaspard take over with Celene still alive as well; but like I said Ihaven't had the chance to test it yet.
Why wouldn't my power hungry Inquisitor want his puppet on the throne of the most powerful nation in the world?
As to Cullen, why would he care about Ferelden? He was a member of Templar Order from his youth, so I don't think he has any real family to speak of there, he has only bad memories from his time in Fereldan Circle, he spent 10 years in Kirkwall and now he's one of the leaders of an organization that stands above (or apart) all other nations.
He does have family there and he's close to them. I don't know if it shows up if you don't romance him, but he gets a letter from his loving sister scolding him for not writing sooner after Haven and not writing often enough, and his family worries about him. He talks fondly of his brother and sister also.
But. He's also a strong military leader. And leaders look at the bigger picture. Cullen's job is to help save all of Thedas. If things went bad, no doubt he'd find a way to help protect his family.
No, it was done by Iquisition, and it's not something certain. First, you put a militaristic expansionist on the throne and then you begin to think how to tame him (if you have time and resources). Bad politic, bad strategy. Not to mention a demonstrative support of a riot and civil war by inquisition.
The difference is targets you notice he reinforcing the border with Tevintor given its Gaspard that cries its for a bad time Tevintor. Nothing like a holy war against heretics to bring people together, like darkspawn without the corruption.
The difference is targets you notice he reinforcing the border with Tevintor given its Gaspard that cries its for a bad time Tevintor. Nothing like a holy war against heretics to bring people together, like darkspawn without the corruption.
And strengthening his army with a constant practice. So the moment they are done with Tevinter - they will turn on you again. Very bad plan. And even to achieve that you have to - see all above.
Not that he will likely win, Tevintor has fought off the empire and all the kingdoms and the south as well as the Qunari repeatedly. Besides its Celene who turns hostile on the inquisition if Gaspard is dead leaving her no clear rival while Gaspard stays a loyal ally. Something likely to do with the fact he has more honor than Celene does.
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