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[rayx]

Hello everyone, I know champion is not a very popular class as KE, tempast or reaver etc, especially as a 2H champion. That's why I made this video and I hope you can see how good this class is!

 

Here is the video: https://www.youtube....h?v=dD1m5yL0bm0

 

You might notice that I left 10 skill points there. because I did the amulet exploiting before but soon feel cheap. in this video I only use 21 skill points--as a 19 level human warrior should have.

 

The equipment is a crafted greatsword (+33% critical chance), a crafted armor (230 armor rating), a -15% cool-down amulet, a 20% guard belt, a 5% critical ring and a pommel strike ring. nothing too special.

 

The key is to stick with To the Death. It is an amazing skill. combining with a high critical chance you can do a decent and increased damage, while your guard is almost always full. You can see, as a NOT skillful player, I still can solo the dragon without Walking Fortress and take no potion during the fight!

Hope you all like it~

[Richardian]

That was a great video, and it is the first 2h champion build that I've seen in action.  To the Death is a hell of a skill.  What party members do you normally run?  From your experience, are you able to 2h tank on nightmare?

[Chloe Thenab]

Really nice vid!

[rayx]

Thanks guys!

 

And to answer Richardian, I pick my teammate randomly, but normally keep one s&s tank, one mage and one rogue. Because the AI is too stupid and I am tired with micromanagement, so I set the other three teammates to work together. My routine is to let them take care half enemies, and I take care the other half. Ironically, sometimes they still die very soon, and I just have to solo all the rest guys lol.

 

I am sure a 2h champion can tank in nightmare, as I mentioned, using TOD properly then you basically have a infinite guard. The problem is sometimes the guy who is TODed dies too fast, and you have to wait another 20~30 seconds. So if you will do the main tank job, I highly recommend to get Walking Fortress. The process will be like this: TOD one guy-->attack him util he dies-->attack another guy, when you lost all your guard, Walking Fortress --> with high critical chance TOD should be recharged, then repeat.

[Fullmetall21]

I think a S&S warrior with a high tier weapon is better suited to be champion as none of the champion skills is based on weapon damage and the S&S tree provides better attack talents which are not bugged ( absurd as it it might be). Mighty Blow is bugged and you can't perform Cross Class Combos with it . Well you can but the extra damage is always 1 so it doesn't matter. Shield Bash and Lunge and Slash deals decent damage plus Payback Strike knocks down enemies (also stuns them if upgraded) so you can take full advantage of Coup de Grace.

 

I don't mean to say that 2H champion is bad it's pretty impressive what you did with that dragon I'm only saying that higher attack speed plus more offensive talents and a shield for higher defense is better suited for a champion. Templar is an other story.

 

Anyway good job on that solo I hope to see more videos of 2H champion.  

[SpaceV3gan]

First, congrats for the soloing video. It is the first Champion solo I've seen, and probably the only one there is! Certainly the Champion isn't as popular as the Reaver, though they serve very different roles.

Now if you allow me comment something... I find your 18% Attack questionably low. Attack provides a flat increase to basic attacks, plus many other benefits. Maybe a higher Attack would be more beneficial, even if you had to sacrifice a little Critical Chance. The Superb Ring of Attack found on the Hissing Wastes would be better than the rings you had.
But what could really have increased your damage much more would be the Mighty Offense Tonic and Tear of the Dead, both fully upgraded. Somewhere between two to three fold more damage, maybe more during critical hits.

Also, there are 5 Amulets of Power found throughout the game, so a Level 19 Human Inquisitor can have up to 26 Skill points legit.

Nothing wrong with your solo. I just wanted to mention these things!   

[Feranel]

Awesome video man, I haven't been balsey enough to try it as a two hand champion, just SnS, good to see that champ dragon solo works for both SnS and 2 Hander.

 

One Champion tip I just discovered when I went back to an old save to try it out: Jar of Bees grenades get amplified by To the Death.

 

So, uhm, you can cheese it if you want to

[Mangas]

Hey, rayx, thanks for the video.

 

I think a S&S warrior with a high tier weapon is better suited to be champion as none of the champion skills is based on weapon damage and the S&S tree provides better attack talents which are not bugged ( absurd as it it might be).

I agree.

Btw, I have a problem: I breeded Cassie all the game through as S&B tank, farming the best gear for her to tank properly. But now I found that she has no champion specialisation (best suits her). She can only be templar. Am I missing something as it's my 1st walkthrough (I'm a mage)?

Strangely, but Blackwall CAN be a champion. My char is in love with Cassandra, and so i don't want to switch her to Blackie.

 

rayx, btw, I've just distributed Blackwall skills right as you suggested, gave him tier III 2-H sword & gear, and now me and him we are duo-ing the game on nightmare. He's just goddamn immortal 2H tank!

[HeroxMatt]

This is awesome, thanks for sharing. I wanted to play a Warrior in my next playthrough and this made me rethink some of my ideas.

[rayx]

To Fullmetall21: All true! But I think the 2H still have some advantages: higher critical chance --Actually I can craft a 50% critical chance greataxe if I want. that can make me have 65%~70% in total! I just like greatsword more because it looks so cool XD. I think it is very difficult to have a critical chance like this if you use S&S, maybe I ‘m wrong? And the other one is by using a small tip you can attack as quick as S&S. as in my video, or this one:

But I agree with you, after all S&S is still a little more suitable for the champion.

 

To SpaceV3gan: Thanks! In this video I just want to show how good and efficient a 2H champion can be, so I just use some not too op equipments. And I think Tear of Dead only works on rogue?

 

To Feranel: Wow your video is very cool, and the damage from bees is so insane! Poor dragon lost all her guard in two seconds. XD

 

To Mangas: All your teammate has their own special class, Iron Bull is a reaver, Cass is a templar and Blackwall is a champion. It is default and you can’t change it. However Cass still can do the main tank job properly, with her templar skill she can also buff your whole team and she is super useful when facing a rift fight. So don’t worry, just take whoever you like  

By the way my build is for your controlled character, if you want to sue it for AI maybe something need to be changed because the AI won’t dodge, block or charge very efficiently.....

[Mangas]

 

To Mangas: All your teammate has their own special class, Iron Bull is a reaver, Cass is a templar and Blackwall is a champion. It is default and you can’t change it. However Cass still can do the main tank job properly, with her templar skill she can also buff your whole team and she is super useful when facing a rift fight. So don’t worry, just take whoever you like

Thanks, mate. I thought I was missing some specific quest so I felt strange that my Solas can be a rift mage but no Necro or KE. 

rayx, on 24 Dec 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

 

By the way my build is for your controlled character, if you want to sue it for AI maybe something need to be changed because the AI won’t dodge, block or charge very efficiently....

 

Well, I don't know but I see his guard is ON all the time and his health almost never drops. I never thought it's possible to be a good 2H tank instead of S&B.

 

P.S.: the video you posted, it's nightmare difficulty, right?

[rayx]

Yes nightmare! And according to your playthrogh, maybe I just underestimate the AI  XD. Good to know, thx!

[Mangas]

Yes nightmare! And according to your playthrogh, maybe I just underestimate the AI  XD. Good to know, thx!

Don't thank me yet. The enemies around us perhaps are too weak, imo. Today I'm going to gather my team (me mage, Cass tank, Black & archer Cole (16 lvl) and we'll try to do a Hissing Wastes lvl 20 dragon. I'll write a result later... (But I have a ba-a-ad feeling about this...  )

[Fullmetall21]

Hey, rayx, thanks for the video.

 

I agree.

Btw, I have a problem: I breeded Cassie all the game through as S&B tank, farming the best gear for her to tank properly. But now I found that she has no champion specialisation (best suits her). She can only be templar. Am I missing something as it's my 1st walkthrough (I'm a mage)?

Strangely, but Blackwall CAN be a champion. My char is in love with Cassandra, and so i don't want to switch her to Blackie.

 

rayx, btw, I've just distributed Blackwall skills right as you suggested, gave him tier III 2-H sword & gear, and now me and him we are duo-ing the game on nightmare. He's just goddamn immortal 2H tank!

 

As mentioned Cassandra is a Templar and Blackwall a Champion. Both are exceptional tanks and after you get tier 3 armor the spec doesn't even matter most of the time with Champion being an overkill if build defensively. Both have their uses though when I'm going to a new region closing rifts and such I take Cassandra with me cause she rocks against demons. When I'm going dragon hunting I take Blackwall because To the Death destroys bosses.

 

 

To Fullmetall21: All true! But I think the 2H still have some advantages: higher critical chance --Actually I can craft a 50% critical chance greataxe if I want. that can make me have 65%~70% in total! I just like greatsword more because it looks so cool XD. I think it is very difficult to have a critical chance like this if you use S&S, maybe I ‘m wrong? And the other one is by using a small tip you can attack as quick as S&S. as in my video, or this one:

But I agree with you, after all S&S is still a little more suitable for the champion.

 

To SpaceV3gan: Thanks! In this video I just want to show how good and efficient a 2H champion can be, so I just use some not too op equipments. And I think Tear of Dead only works on rogue?

 

To Feranel: Wow your video is very cool, and the damage from bees is so insane! Poor dragon lost all her guard in two seconds. XD

 

To Mangas: All your teammate has their own special class, Iron Bull is a reaver, Cass is a templar and Blackwall is a champion. It is default and you can’t change it. However Cass still can do the main tank job properly, with her templar skill she can also buff your whole team and she is super useful when facing a rift fight. So don’t worry, just take whoever you like

By the way my build is for your controlled character, if you want to sue it for AI maybe something need to be changed because the AI won’t dodge, block or charge very efficiently.....

 

 

I believe the only class able to make the most of critical chance are the rogues. A warrior no matter how high his critical chance is will unavoidably have low critical damage ( I had close to 55% with my 2H Templar and only 45% critical damage) so you are better off boosting pure attack and strength but that's just my opinion any build works on any difficulty I'm just obsessed with min/max all my characters cheers.

 

EDIT : Surprisingly I did more damage as a S&S templar towards the end of the game on my last playthrough despite having a lot less attack then the 2H. Lunge and Slash also is a 2 hit ability something I did not know until now and I was hitting for 4.5k with it non crits if I hit from afar. 

[Mangas]

EDIT : Surprisingly I did more damage as a S&S templar towards the end of the game on my last playthrough despite having a lot less attack then the 2H. Lunge and Slash also is a 2 hit ability something I did not know until now and I was hitting for 4.5k with it non crits if I hit from afar. 

 

Yes, I understand. And thanks.

 

 

 

 

Mangas said:

 

Don't thank me yet. The enemies around us perhaps are too weak, imo. Today I'm going to gather my team (me mage, Cass tank, Black & archer Cole (16 lvl) and we'll try to do a Hissing Wastes lvl 20 dragon. I'll write a result later... (But I have a ba-a-ad feeling about this... )

Update: just did her on nightmare. She dropped quite a nice robe for my mage. I'll try solo from now on... I even didn't use 2H Blackie - archer Cole instead.

 

Fullmetall21, btw, can I see the Templar build you used? 

[rayx]

 

Update: just did her on nightmare. She dropped quite a nice robe for my mage. I'll try solo from now on... I even didn't use 2H Blackie - archer Cole instead.

 

 

Good job man! Dealing with her with only 16lv is impressive!

[Feranel]

I've actually found that, on SnS at least, armor pen is a pretty good damage stat as opposed to Crit, given SnS's lower, faster damage numbers. On my champ near end game I was rocking about 60% armor pen and about 100 strength. 

[Mangas]

I've actually found that, on SnS at least, armor pen is a pretty good damage stat as opposed to Crit, given SnS's lower, faster damage numbers. On my champ near end game I was rocking about 60% armor pen and about 100 strength. 

Don't think my question is funny, but I never played warriors... Does "S&S" mean sword'n'shield (champion setup) or Sword & Sword? Untill I saw rayx video I didn't know it was possible to equip a warr with two one-handler swords/axes (like in Skyrim). And when you say "2H" do you mean 2-handler large weapon (like Greataxe/greatsword/maul)? Or?

[Feranel]

Yeah, SnS, sword and shield, though technically it's Weapon and Shield. 2H is 2 hander, though everyone has their own vernacular they use, which I'm sure adds to the confusion.

[GuyNice]

Don't think my question is funny, but I never played warriors... Does "S&S" mean sword'n'shield (champion setup) or Sword & Sword? Untill I saw rayx video I didn't know it was possible to equip a warr with two one-handler swords/axes (like in Skyrim). And when you say "2H" do you mean 2-handler large weapon (like Greataxe/greatsword/maul)? Or?

S&S refers to sword and shield, or more accurately weapon & shield in this game. Warriors can't dual wield (1 weapon in each hand), and 2H refers to big heavy weapons which require both hands to use.

[Mangas]

Untill I saw rayx video I didn't know it was possible to equip a warr with two one-handler swords/axes (like in Skyrim). 

 

I'm sorry I was wrong. I used my smartphone to access the forum/watch the video (low-res) and I confused it with another video where 2-wieldng rogue brings Vinsomer down solo also on nightmare (nice one too, btw)...

[Mangas]

Good job man! Dealing with her with only 16lv is impressive!

Thx, but fireproof garb/tonics & regenerators did the job actually.

[themikefest]

Well done.

 

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[Fullmetall21]

Yes, I understand. And thanks.

 

 

 

 

Update: just did her on nightmare. She dropped quite a nice robe for my mage. I'll try solo from now on... I even didn't use 2H Blackie - archer Cole instead.

 

Fullmetall21, btw, can I see the Templar build you used? 

 

Sure this is the build I used on my last playthough although its a group build meaning it won't do you much good if you try to solo things with it. If you wanna go solo you might want to go a bit deeper in the Vanguard tree that I did.

 

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

 

As for the Armor Penetration it's good but I think someone here on the forums actually did the math and it turns out +Attack is better than any other stat in terms of damage output, Armor pen i think was second.

[Mangas]

Thanks for sharing, mate. I'll check it on my Cassandra.