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[TheKomandorShepard]

Well it says something if nicest dalish clan in series had leader that created werewolf curse and was distrustful and cold toward humans.

[Master Warder Z_]

Reduce, reuse, recycle.

Exactly.

Like Charlemagne.

[EmissaryofLies]

Yes, the genocide of an entire people would constitute a mercy killing.

 

Who are we comparing to the Nazis again? 

 

With the way that they've been written and continue to be written, if such were to happen, I would view it as a mercy. Unless of course, Bioware continues to disgrace them even when they're dead.

[Master Warder Z_]

Kill all the Dalish and find out the ancient elves invented the blight and the Dalish knew.

Ja cuse.

[Ozzy]

Bioware disgraced multiple things... I don't think they singled out the elves. Both the Wardens and Chantry are at a low point too. And Chantry people so desperate  that they'd start believing a random person is their savior... especially desperate if it's a random Carta member, a Qunari, or Dalish...

 

Considering that this random elf/qunari/dwoooorf is the only person capable of sealing the breaches in the sky that happen to be spewing demons is a good reason for people to place their faith in him/her, lol. 

 

Not to mention the whole belief that Andraste saved him/her initially.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What makes you think they're the nicest?

 

So far, it seems like Velanna's clan was better. They were nice enough that they kicked her out and didn't want anything to do with her hatred.

As far they are nicest and by nicest i mean not being bunch of pri*** besides kicking velanna says pretty much nothing about clan velanna was mega bi*** and well merrill clan kicking out merril for blood magic didn't mean they weren't bunch of jerks (and oh boy they were).

[Master Warder Z_]

*Bioware makes a free marcher noble their default world state inquisitor*

[EmissaryofLies]

Bioware disgraced multiple things... I don't think they singled out the elves. Both the Wardens and Chantry are at a low point too. And Chantry people so desperate  that they'd start believing a random person is their savior... especially desperate if it's a Carta member, a Qunari or Dalish!

 

The Chantry? Why do you say that? Justinia's hands and a Templar pretty much saved the world.

 

Mother Giselle is cleaner than Gustavo Fring's day job. The pc character is choosing the next Divine and is aptly named the "Herald". This title of course being spread all over Thedas so you always have that Chantry smell to your name, Andraste and all that.

 

The Chantry wins big time in the end.

 

I agree; they did not single out the elves. They simply continued their tradition of shitting on them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Breaking bad reference!

[LobselVith8]

Well it says something if nicest dalish clan in series had leader that created werewolf curse and was distrustful and cold toward humans.

I find it strange that the same people who argue that you can't condemn the Templar Order for the actions of some templars will do precisely that with an ethnic group.

As for "nicest", what about the clan who took in the abandoned human infant who became Aveline the Knight? Or Ariane's clan, who took in an elven Circle mage who wanted sanctuary? Or Clan Lavellan, who will rescue the humans of Wycome and refuse to abandon the Alienage elves when Marcher cities threaten them?

[Ozzy]

With the way that they've been written and continue to be written, if such were to happen, I would view it as a mercy. Unless of course, Bioware continues to disgrace them even when they're dead.

 

They've been written as a group (Dalish) that is made up of widely variant subgroups (the clans). Some clans are really friendly, some aren't. Some are in the middle. 

 

The fact that they've been generally operating under a skewed belief regarding the reason they lost their homeland makes them an infinitely more interesting group. It adds a tragic layer to it all. 

 

Let's not forget what happens when we let the Dalish clan in Inquisition know what happened at Red Crossing. They send a sign of mourning to the village! This is a group that has no reason to really love humans given the **** they have had to endure as a result of the Celene/Gaspard dick measuring contest but they nonetheless decide to try and send some sort of reparation to the village. They don't deny what happened or try to justify it, they try to make amends (even though they don't really have to, lol)

[Vit246]

If the Dalish and the city elves actually worked together to fight against the humans, they both would be much better off. Instead the Dalish would rather cling to the remnants of an ancient culture they don't even truly understand and risk their people searching old and dangerous ruins for old trinkets, while other elves and their potential allies are suffering in the alienages.

 

But they aren't "true elves" or "their people", so they don't count.

 

Again and again and again with this "The Dalish won't lift a finger to help the City Elves in the alienage" thing. WHY.

Not only do the Dalish get such a one-sided blame for the bad things that happen to them or because of them, they even get blamed for the conditions of their City Elf kin because they won't "help" them.

And nobody even comes up with a good plan for that "help" to happen.

Hell, people seem to forget how city elves manage to come to the Dalish and join them as accepted members.

[Vit246]

The fact that they've been generally operating under a false/skewed belief regarding the reason they lost their homeland makes them an infinitely more interesting group. It adds a tragic layer to it all. 

 

But instead of tragedy, many people are using that fact and the Red Crossing to take endless potshots at the Dalish. Like Sera.

[LobselVith8]

As far they are nicest and by nicest i mean not being bunch of pri*** besides kicking velanna says pretty much nothing about clan velanna was mega bi*** and well merrill clan kicking out merril for blood magic didn't mean they weren't bunch of jerks (and oh boy they were).

Well, when you consider that the Chantry outlawed their religion, Andrastian humans run off the clans from land if they stay too long, some threaten the clans with violence to convert to the Andrastian faith, and templars pursue the clans, you're going to have Dalish who are wary about outsiders.

[Master Warder Z_]

you're going to have Dalish who are wary about outsiders.

It makes correcting their behavior all the better.

Inversion therapy!

[Addai]

And of course the only two elf companions in the game do not care for the Dalish. The writer bias is so f*cking hilarious.

Or, they want to give alternate perspectives so they can expand on the lore and have interesting companions. Other than the booting mages thing, I like most of the development we've seen- and really like that there's been some. If the elves are going to come into center focus, they're going to get the dramatic treatment or else there's no story to tell.
 

Well it says something if nicest dalish clan in series had leader that created werewolf curse and was distrustful and cold toward humans.

You recall, of course, what led up to Zathrian casting the curse.
 

Hell, people seem to forget how city elves manage to come to the Dalish and join them as accepted members.

They wouldn't if they'd just read the thread.

[LobselVith8]

But instead of tragedy, many people are using that fact and the Red Crossing to take endless potshots at the Dalish. Like Sera.

They're also forgetting that the point of that quest is to address that humans and elves were both responsible for the inception of the war, which is why Keeper Hawen and the Dalish say they were wrong to think only humans were responsible.

Both sides played a role; humans and elves were having issues long before Red Crossing, as the scroll reads, and the murder of an Emerald Knight's sister by humans is mentioned early on. The developers also chose to have the quest explicitly specify that both sides were responsible for the tragedy.

[EmissaryofLies]

They've been written as a group (Dalish) that is made up of widely variant subgroups (the clans). Some clans are really friendly, some aren't. Some are in the middle. 

 

The fact that they've been generally operating under a false/skewed belief regarding the reason they lost their homeland makes them an infinitely more interesting group. It adds a tragic layer to it all. 

 

Let's not forget what happens when we let the Dalish clan in Inquisition know what happened at Red Crossing. They send a sign of mourning to the village! This is a group that has no reason to really love humans given the **** they have had to endure as a result of the Celene/Gaspard dick measuring contest but they nonetheless decide to try and send some sort of reparation to the village. They don't deny what happened or try to justify it, they try to make amends.

 

Yet the ones who are not friendly have been shoved front and center. I won't deny that there are friendly clans but they always seem to be downplayed by the universe around them; they are rarely, if ever, given a fair shake.

 

While their ignorance does make them tragic it also damns them. They understood that they were operating under missing information yet they still arrogantly view themselves as 'true elves' educating their ignorant city cousins. All the while they get a lot of things wrong down to the bloodwriting. That's at their best,  mind you. They also consort with demons to learn of their past, cast out spare mages, and mysteriously 'go missing' at their worst.

 

The Inquistion clan makes amends for Red Crossing but how far will that gesture extend? Will Bioware follow through with it? Meaning that I wonder if it will matter or will their darker aspects continue to be pushed as the norm ('halla riders who care for nothing but themselves')? And this development with Solas is worrying to say the least.

[MissOuJ]

Again and again and again with this "The Dalish won't lift a finger to help the City Elves in the alienage" thing. WHY.

Not only do the Dalish get such a one-sided blame for the bad things that happen to them or because of them, they even get blamed for the conditions of their City Elf kin because they won't "help" them.

And nobody even comes up with a good plan for that "help" to happen.

Hell, people seem to forget how city elves manage to come to the Dalish and join them as accepted members.

 

Not saying they should storm all the alienages in Thedas and "free" all the oppressed elves in everywhere ever.

 

But we could start with not treating city elves as lesser and not calling them flat-ears and acting all high and mighty? Did you hear Merrill's banter with Fenris? In the beginning she speaks to Fenris like he was a child who should be in awe he's in the presence of one of the Dalish.

 

Also, have you read The Masked Empire? The Dalish clan in that doesn't want to help Briala or the city elves for no other reason that they are city elves. Also, Zevran's personal story is at least one example when that doesn't work out so well (although if I remember correctly its a bit hazy on wether he didn't like it there or if they kicked him out/didn't accept him). I get that not all the clans are the same, but I have to agree with Fenris: "the smug sense of superiority" is kinda strong with the Dalish.

 

And, like I said in my post, the real fault lies with the human nobility anyway.

[EmissaryofLies]

Or, they want to give alternate perspectives so they can expand on the lore and have interesting companions. Other than the booting mages thing, I like most of the development we've seen- and really like that there's been some. If the elves are going to come into center focus, they're going to get the dramatic treatment or else there's no story to tell.

 

But what's alternative about their perspectives? Solas and Sera do not seem too far from picking up pitchforks and running the Dalish off their lands themselves. Bit of an exaggeration there but the theme remains nearly identical; " the Dalish? **** em."

 

I am happy that you like it though; I wish I felt the same.

[Master Warder Z_]

They're also forgetting that the point of that quest is to address that humans and elves were both responsible

I'll say because they aren't here.

Stupid sexy humans!

[EmissaryofLies]

It makes correcting their behavior all the better.

Inversion therapy!

 

Perhaps flooding? Get as many unwashed mercenary human types as you can and lock them in a room together.