Tevinter would approve.
Yeah Tevinter is the best place for elves and mages. Actually why do the Dalish do not take the example of Tevinter I do not get it. you put the mages as you leaders and you make them believe that you are not trouble as a mage unless you ****** me off and everybody is happy unless you as I said you ****** off a mage.
Elves? Solas disagrees.
Mages? If you're powerful.
It's also worth noting, that Viv as we all know supports circles. Keep that in mind when clicking that like button Addai
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Of course, this development might explain why every game you hear about this or that Dalish clan being wiped from Thedas. If they're giving up all their mages then it stands to reason.
I'm sad the traditional dalish clan slaughter happens off-screen in this game, Bioware why!?
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Of course, this development might explain why every game you hear about this or that Dalish clan being wiped from Thedas. If they're giving up all their mages then it stands to reason.
The quote about Viv saying magic's dangerous like fire, though if it was for that demon line, that's even worse since how I see a spirit as Cassandra showed isn't always up to me.
As for the last part, they're not giving up all their mages. Dalish are badass warriors without the need of mages anyway. Deadly as **** hunters. Their problem is their division.
The quote about Viv saying magic's dangerous like fire, though if it was for that demon line, that's even worse since how I see a spirit as Cassandra showed isn't always up to me.
As for the last part, they're not giving up all their mages. Dalish are badass warriors without the need of mages anyway. Deadly as **** hunters. Their problem is their division.
Meh I do not know about that as far as I saw they are well weak, one clan could be killed by a army of werewolves and one by 1 mage with his fighter friends or 2 mages and 2 fighters or 3 mage and a fighter the point is the mages made the difference. Of course the pc was in both cases but there was one case in the War table that proved how weak they are if you chose a Dalish inquisitor.
I'm sad the traditional dalish clan slaughter happens off-screen in this game, Bioware why!?
Multiplayer.
Meh I do not know about that as far as I saw they are well weak, one clan could be killed by a army of werewolves and one by 1 mage with his fighter friends or 2 mages and 2 fighters or 3 mage and a fighter the point is the mages made the difference. Of course the pc was in both cases but there was one case in the War table that proved how weak they are if you chose a Dalish inquisitor.
Yea, I don't count player character actions in these equations. Not when I can kill a dragon by myself.
I don't know the conditions of that war table op, but an army of werewolves is nothing to sneeze at. When the Dalish mobilize, they are rather deadly. Their issue is and always was numbers.
Multiplayer.
Cancer to all single player games.
This might be connected and will give us a better understanding of the Dalish elves in the keep relatation Varric said that we got the help of the biggest Dalish clan in the Ferelden so does that mean that there are more clans on the territory of a country as big as Ferelden and they hardly meet especialy when the best hunting grounds is one big forest?
Also imagine the Dalish united and becoming a horde and taking evertyhing they see riding Halas.
Never bought into the "Oooh, magic dangerous!" mentality. It's dangerous like fire as Vivienne says. But on a cold night fire also keeps you warm. A lawnmower used irresponsibly is also dangerous.
The whole demon thing is overblown IMO. The Fade is a reflection of one's thoughts. If Wisdom comes at me for a civil conversation and all I see is Pride then it's going to attack.
And if Pride comes at you disguised for a civil conversation, you'd have a good chance of getting yourself duped. Less of 'cold night fire' and more 'cold night forest fire,' with insanity thrown in.
The fade is fundamentally unstable- not only a reflection of your own thoughts (and self-discipline, or lack of it), but also a reflection of everyone else's thoughts as well. And then some of those thoughts take their own thoughts, and would act regardless of your thoughts on the matter, which greatly mitigates the ability of your own ability to mitigate the dangers by virtue of mental discipline.
Yeah Tevinter is the best place for elves and mages. Actually why do the Dalish do not take the example of Tevinter I do not get it. you put the mages as you leaders and you make them believe that you are not trouble as a mage unless you ****** me off and everybody is happy unless you as I said you ****** off a mage.
Tevinter is the way to go for the Southern mages. That's for sure. It is their best chance to taste the 'freedom' they so desire.
If they can hack it.
Not quite true, there are hints of other mages being in a clan such as Lanaya saying she had to compete to become First, and clans taking in Aneirin and Feynriel with no questions asked. I always assumed that only a few mages were entrusted with Keeper secrets and the others were given basic training to serve the clan as healers, defenders, etc.
Actually, neither clan took either of those people in with no question. Aneirin didn't live with the clan, and Feynriel was a favor repaid who also had an all but mythical type of magic. For a clue about how Dalish really feel regarding mages and them being dangerous, you have to look no further than Merethari's advice regarding Feynriel when he was in trouble. She didn't hesitate for a moment to suggest Hawke get in there and make him Tranquil.
The idea that the Dalish send their mages away because they don't have templars is just... nonsense. It seems we have to accept it since it's repeated by several NPCs but it makes no sense and just seems like pandering to the pro-Circle crowd. If true, then yes, that lowers my opinion of the Dalish in general.
Lavellan can say that mages are permitted into clans who need them
And Solas, Vivi and the Creature Researcher can stare at you like you're an idiot if you do.
But Yeah you can say that 
Actually, neither clan took either of those people in with no question. Aneirin didn't live with the clan, and Feynriel was a favor repaid who also had an all but mythical type of magic. For a clue about how Dalish really feel regarding mages and them being dangerous, you have to look no further than Merethari's advice regarding Feynriel when he was in trouble. She didn't hesitate for a moment to suggest Hawke get in there and make him Tranquil.
True enough. It's ironic, but Dalish are very traditional in that regard. Blood magic is considered bad, Solas outright states that they do understand the difference between normal spirit and demon (and haven't a good opinion on the later), and even Vivienne approves when she knows that the Inquisitor had proper tutoring with a Keeper. That they consider that there's a limit to the mages one given clan can accept is not surprising in that context.
Contrary to previous misconceptions, it's very clear now that Dalish society is not Magetopia. Tevinter and Circle mages live in sheltered bubbles, be it because of power or a gilded cage, but Dalish have to live side by side with their non-mage brethren. Even the elf-only answers stress the importance of responsible magic.
And Solas, Vivi and the Creature Researcher can stare at you like you're an idiot if you do.
But Yeah you can say that
To be honest, it's not because your answers are lies; Merrill's existence is proof of that.
Also, it's canon that the Lavellan Clan is that "weird" compared to other Dalish. I mean, at the beginning Solas and others are surprised that the clan was so interested in the outside world that they sent someone to get information about the Conclave. If the right choices are made, the Lavellan can end up fighting bandits alongside Inquisition soldiers, saving a Free Marcher city from red lyrium, refusing to leave that city because that would mean abandoning the City Elves to be killed by the invading army (it was an army of misguided Marchers, so the humans were safe), and, finally, becoming part of the Council that will rule that city from that point onwards, alongside City Elves and humans.
Seriously, I didn't expect that. And it offers new alternatives to centuries-old dilemmas in Thedas.
To be honest, it's not because your answers are lies; Merrill's existence is proof of that.
If i recall correctly although it has been some time; she was the only mage in the clan besides the Keeper.
If the Clan can't produce a mage then it likely would need to get one no?
Need a First and all that elffy elf stuff.
True enough. It's ironic, but Dalish are very traditional in that regard. Blood magic is considered bad, Solas outright states that they do understand the difference between normal spirit and demon (and haven't a good opinion on the later), and even Vivienne approves when she knows that the Inquisitor had proper tutoring with a Keeper. That they consider that there's a limit to the mages one given clan can accept is not surprising in that context.
Contrary to previous misconceptions, it's very clear now that Dalish society is not Magetopia. Tevinter and Circle mages live in sheltered bubbles, be it because of power or a gilded cage, but Dalish have to live side by side with their non-mage brethren. Even the elf-only answers stress the importance of responsible magic.
To be honest, it's not because your answers are lies; Merrill's existence is proof of that.
Also, it's canon that the Lavellan Clan is that "weird" compared to other Dalish. I mean, at the beginning Solas and others are surprised that the clan was so interested in the outside world that they sent someone to get information about the Conclave. If the right choices are made, the Lavellan can end up fighting bandits alongside Inquisition soldiers, saving a Free Marcher city from red lyrium, refusing to leave that city because that would mean abandoning the City Elves to be killed by the invading army (it was an army of misguided Marchers, so the humans were safe), and, finally, becoming part of the Council that will rule that city from that point onwards, alongside City Elves and humans.
Seriously, I didn't expect that. And it offers new alternatives to centuries-old dilemmas in Thedas.
And if you make the wrong ones their dead.
Ensuring that mages are even more afraid for their existence is a solution to this how...?And if Pride comes at you disguised for a civil conversation, you'd have a good chance of getting yourself duped. Less of 'cold night fire' and more 'cold night forest fire,' with insanity thrown in.
The fade is fundamentally unstable- not only a reflection of your own thoughts (and self-discipline, or lack of it), but also a reflection of everyone else's thoughts as well. And then some of those thoughts take their own thoughts, and would act regardless of your thoughts on the matter, which greatly mitigates the ability of your own ability to mitigate the dangers by virtue of mental discipline.
Why do people cherry pick what they will and won't accept just because they don't like it or agree?
People keep groups down at times if they have too many, why is it so strange to think the Dales do so with mages? Before, it wasn't a problem when people thought they just gave mages to other clans, even though the clans may as well be foreign bodies as they are not united, but now that we know they abandon some to the wolves, people don't want to accept it as rational development??
Not every clan gets along with every clan. Not every clan is nearby. So if you have some mages needing to be kicked to the curb, where the hell do you throw them?
Also, Solas' comment was a "duh" moment. Blood magic isn't just something to avoid because of power, but because it involves trafficking with demons, which is risky to the mage in the way of possession. That is why it is really outlawed, not just the power it gives.
Now that the mage issue has been dealt with perhaps next game will deal with elves and giving them more rights/land.
Anyways each clan is different but the more we learn about them the more they seem barbaric. Despite some clans needing a mage a clan is willing to abandon a young mage child rather than waiting for the Dalish clan meeting every 10yrs.
Its a shame we don't run across a very hostile group of Dalish in game.
Are you kidding me in Awakening humans kill a Dalish baby and they leave the area yeah that is just being cowards. They have no backbone.
Why do people cherry pick what they will and won't accept just because they don't like it or agree?
People keep groups down at times if they have too many, why is it so strange to think the Dales do so with mages? Before, it wasn't a problem when people thought they just gave mages to other clans, even though the clans may as well be foreign bodies as they are not united, but now that we know they abandon some to the wolves, people don't want to accept it as rational development??
No we are strange like that for some reason we care less if childrens have a bigger chance of survival and of being loved. And we care more when you send them to death. We are just strange like that.
If i recall correctly although it has been some time; she was the only mage in the clan besides the Keeper.
If the Clan can't produce a mage then it likely would need to get one no?
Need a First and all that elffy elf stuff.
Yeah, exactly? I mean, Lob said "Lavellan can say that mages are permitted into clans who need them". Where are the clans without mages going to find the mages they need? As I said, Merrill proves that the practice exists, so the Dalish Inquisitor is telling the truth.
And if you make the wrong ones their dead.
Of course. Remember that there's this Dragon Age "tradition" of being able to cause a whole clan's death depending on your choices. As far as I know, the clan in the Exalted Plains is unkillable, so the Lavellan got the short end of the stick.
No we are strange like that for some reason we care less if childrens have a bigger chance of survival and of being loved. And we care more when you send them to death. We are just strange like that.
That isn't the point. I'm not saying you have to like it, but I just find it odd that lots of Dalish or mage fans are quick to dismiss things that are to them negative developments for them, just because they don't like it. That is silly. It happened, it's in the lore. That's that. You can't just dismiss everything you don't like because it can be used against you in an argument.
Perhaps that's a sign that you may not be right. Is sending people away right? No, but what is necessary isn't always right by morality's standards.
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