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[TheJediSaint]

With much help from Bioware, sure.

 

You say that like there's something wrong with writer's intent.

[EmissaryofLies]

You say that like there's something wrong with writer's intent.

 

The intent to take away any and all meaning of being a Dalish Elf? Yes, yes there is something wrong with their artistic integrity. But given their portrayal in DA II and The Masked Empire, I am more disappointed than surprised.

[Br3admax]

Ah, another one of those, "What I thought is more important than what the author meant happened," types. Honestly, only people who legit have no knowledge how a hunter-gatherer society works should be surprised by any of this. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Not sure about worse off, but they certainly whine a lot more.

[Chari]

Keep in mind though that Minaeve's clan is just one clan.

 

Some clans would probably kill to get another magling apprentice while others are trying to push them out for fear the Templars go apostate hunting.

 

I picture the Arlathvhen being like NFL draft day. Some clans need keepers. Others need hunters and sentinels. And they all scramble to trade off what they have in excess for what they need on 'the big day'.

It wouldn't be a problem if the narrative didn't generalize it so much. We can't even properly argue - Lavellan's words sound half-hearted and everyone who says that it is a norm sound much... more "convincing". Heck, even Vivienne - a woman from the Circle living in a city - knows about this "tradition". Also, "the Second". The heck? Where they were before? Now it's apparently a norm? 

Along with everything Bioware've been doing lately to poor dalish it seems that their idea of "realistic" "grey-morality" story is to scoop as many negative traits as possible without providing actually sincere well-made positive points and pour it all on some faction

In DA2 the templars were victims of this. Since TME the dalish are and even the wardens for some reason

I'm... done with all this bullshit, honestly. I'm attached to DA much more than I am to ME but at least ME had some kind of stable lore consistency and genuine attempts not to make a faction look like nothing but a bunch of jerks. Even frigging Reapers got some kind of... weird "redemption"/excuse. At least they tried. Here? They don't 

[EmissaryofLies]

Ah, another one of those, "What I thought is more important than what the author meant happened," types. Honestly, only people who legit have no knowledge how a hunter-gatherer society works should be surprised by any of this. 

 

Ah yes, "defend lazy writing because it favors my camp", types. I'm honestly surprised Bioware didn't introduce Corypheus as an ancient elf, two birds with one stone and all that.

[Chernaya]

Worse how? I see both sides pretty heavily flawed, but that doesn't mean I don't like the elves. The Dalish are prideful to a degree that can be overkill but I still respect them for trying to keep their culture alive, even if they have a lot of it wrong. I feel pity for the City Elves more than anything.

[Br3admax]

Ah yes, "defend lazy writing because it favors my camp", types. I'm honestly surprised Bioware didn't introduce Corypheus as an ancient elf, two birds with one stone and all that.

>It's lazy to be logical. ROFLMAO

 

Pray tell how this favors my camp? Magic being dangerous is kind of common sense by this point. 

[EmissaryofLies]

>It's lazy to be logical. ROFLMAO

 

Yes, because Bioware games are just steeped with logical realism; starchild. ROFLMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[TheJediSaint]

Ah yes, "defend lazy writing because it favors my camp", types. I'm honestly surprised Bioware didn't introduce Corypheus as an ancient elf, two birds with one stone and all that.

Lazy writing= writing I don't agree with.

 

Bioware's writers wanted to show that every group in Dragon is deeply flawed.  The Dalish are no exception.

 

 

Yes, because Bioware games are just steeped with logical realism; starchild. ROFLMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

So...why buy their games?

[EmissaryofLies]

Lazy writing= writing I don't agree with.

 

Bioware's writers wanted to show that every group in Dragon is deeply flawed.  The Dalish are no exception.

 

Didn't say that; do not assume.

 

The Dalish do nothing but get sh*t on and Inquisition is no exception. How many more "the Dalish are bad" examples do they even have left to explore at this point? 

 

I'm sure they'll find a way, silly of me to doubt them, what with TME and Inquisiton.

[TheJediSaint]

Didn't say that; do not assume.

 

The Dalish do nothing but get sh*t on and Inquisition is no exception. How many more "the Dalish are bad" examples do they even have left to explore at this point? 

 

I'm sure they'll find a way, silly of me to doubt them, what with TME and Inquisiton.

What's to assume?  You don't like Bioware's writing in regards to the Dalish and use meaningless buzzwords instead saying what you mean.

[Br3admax]

Yes, because Bioware games are just steeped with logical realism; starchild. ROFLMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOL

The Strawman is strong with this one. 

[HTTP 404]

I would say the Dalish are worse.  The city elves do what they can to survive and the Dalish won't lift a finger to help them.  At the same time, the Dalish see themselves as the heralds of their race and see themselves being above ALL races and the city elves.  

 

The joke is really on them because they wear tattoos of slaves.

[TheJediSaint]

And you're full of **** on that front; the forum is littered with what I mean, I've made my points loud and clear. Your ignorance is no fault of mine.

Maybe you should get up from the keyboard and make yourself a sandwich.  It'll be better for your blood pressure than flinging insults at people you disagree with.

[EmissaryofLies]

The Strawman is strong with this one. 

 

"Ah, another one of those, "What I thought is more important than what the author meant happened," types."

 

oooooooooooookay.

[EmissaryofLies]

Maybe you should get up from the keyboard and make yourself a sandwich.  It'll be better for your blood pressure than flinging insults at people you disagree with.

 

Typical.

[HTTP 404]

lockdown? lol Merry Christmas everybody!

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I will preface this by saying that I like elves, I am pro elves and I enjoy playing Elfquisitor and Dwarfquisitor the most in this game.

 

Both City Elves and Dalish Elves are slaves.

 

Dalish Elves are worse than City Elves because City Elves do not possess a misplaced sense of grandeur and pride borne out of false legends. 

 

My Dalish Inquisitors are not very Dalish like. 

[Br3admax]

"Ah, another one of those, "What I thought is more important than what the author meant happened," types."

 

oooooooooooookay.

You aren't even trying to make a point anymore, are you?

 

The fact that a completely different BioWare team wrote an extremely illogical plot does not mean that this one has to. Only idiocy demands that. 

[Mistic]

I'm even doubtful on the need to be elven. I'd love to see some social experiment in which a radical/pariah Keeper/clan tries to raise a human as a Dalish. (I've even got a character sketch of that... somewhere.)

 

That would be interesting to see. In fact, it's already an in-universe story: Aveline, the first female knight in Orlais, was supposed to have been brought up by Dalish.

 

Hell, if the Wycome experiment works, we could add another twist: humans wanting to be Dalish. Imagine their faces if suddenly humans applied to be Dalish hunters or started worshipping the elven gods

[Craig Graff]

Please keep this on-topic and civil. 

[Addai]

How are they their most valuable resource just because they have magic again? You aren't suddenly smarter because you're a mage. You're not even necessarily more powerful, which explains the competitions. More power, less influence demons have over you. What they are is a portal for demons into this world, and it's hard to watch over all of them. Especially when they must always be on the move to not use up the resources they currently live off of. So again, how is not keeping around their biggest liability nonsensical? 

The whole reason for starting the Circles is to so that there would always be mages around in order to fight the Blight. And the Dalish apparently think mages are important enough that the Keepers are all mages.

 

Going by your logic, why keep any of them around at all?

[TK514]

The whole reason for starting the Circles is to so that there would always be mages around in order to fight the Blight. And the Dalish apparently think mages are important enough that the Keepers are all mages.

 

Going by your logic, why keep any of them around at all?

 

Isn't this obvious?  They keep a few mages around because some are useful.  The key word being some, rather than all.

 

This is not the 'all or nothing' situation you'd like to present.

 

The Dalish have competitions among the candidates to find the most suitable, and dispose of the rest.  Sometimes that means giving their extras to other clans, such as in the case of Merrill, and sometimes that means banishment.

 

I'm sorry you're bitter that your preferences don't match what the writers want for their world, but you're either going to have to get over it and accept, or move on.

[sandalisthemaker]

RISK OF CLOSURE.

 

Omg. Scary new warning tab!