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#226
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Because they aren't a Chantry sister or apart of the plot-line. Obvious logic is obvious.
 
And lol guess we played different games because that doesn't happen all the time.
Probably because a video game character can grasp this concept while you can't that if they kill a Chantry SISTER they would be screwed.
 

Yet I can kill innocent people, steal from people, butcher qunari that where doing their duty, kill templars, blackmail templars, leave children to starve, betray my employer and the long list of bad crap I can do but my Hawke can't kill a corrupt chantry sister who no one would even be able to figure out who did it(after all, no one could catch QUintin despite all the goddam evidence he leaves)

 

It's simply shitty writing and forced bullocks.


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Heh, BioWare can't win for losing. They give 'em too much personality, and people complain, they try to leave it open to the player's interpretation, and people complain, they're screwed, no matter what they do.

This. We're not happy with anything we get.



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Yet I can kill innocent people, steal from people, butcher qunari that where doing their duty, kill templars, blackmail templars, leave children to starve, betray my employer and the long list of bad crap I can do but my Hawke can't kill a corrupt chantry sister who no one would even be able to figure out who did it(after all, no one could catch QUintin despite all the goddam evidence he leaves)

 

It's simply shitty writing and forced bullocks.

Calm yourself! Take a holiday if you have so many issues with this.


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Calm yourself! Take a holiday if you have so many issues with this.

I shall rage all I want!



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More like you are shown a specific background and then you can work from there, but the personality itself remains at zero, it's still all headcanon. The backgrounds for the inquisitor (which in my experience, at least comparing the human noble in DAO to a noble in DAI, was probably referenced more times in DAI) serve just as much as a base for character personality.

I get that the origin stories helped a lot of people connect more with their characters and flesh out their own stories in their minds more easily, but that doesn't give the warden personality by itself, nor does the lack of them prevent proper personality development within the game in DAI if you actually make the effort.

 

It wasn't really the origins.  They just offered a much better starting point than both DA2's and DAI's inexplicable need for trite in medias res openings (ACTION!  EXPLOSIONS!  BOOM!  THINGS!).

 

The thing that gave the Warden and Hawke much more personality were all of the decisions you were allowed to make, even if sometimes it was just expressing an opinion and not necessarily taking an action.


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Hero of Fereldan is the best Dragon Age protagonist and always will be. The sooner Bioware realizes this the better. We need the Warden back for DA4 as the protagonist.


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Well, she was in Lowtown for a reason, mainly the secrecy of it all - and randomly trying to pay for/Recruit lowlifes who would die when they got Ketojan where they were going. She wouldn't have let anyone know where she was, mainly because - I dunno, She had a Qunari Saarebas with her?

 

So, Her and Varnell would be subject to "Lowtown at Night Syndrome", which has a better Synonym. "Dead, dead, dead, deaaaaaaaad".

 

No such thing as Forensic evidence - if you'd have left behind something of yours as a calling card, Yeah, I could see why that'd be bad. But other than all the dead men you kill, no one else saw you with Petrice before she tried to dupe you.

 

She does *A Lot* Of things without the Chantry's knowledge, this would have been one that got her killed prematurely. Without her idiotic actions during Act 2, you might not have had a Qunari uprising.

 

She could have totally died in Act 1, and it would have made 100% logical sense if Hawke&Co. had done the murder Knifing.

*big exhale* The lack of how people can grasp this concept is beyond me.

There has been points proven all in the Dragon Age series everyone who is apart of mages, templars, Chantry, will go against and do secrecy. 

Proven in Amell origin with Jowan and the Chantry woman's relationship. Does the First Enchanter know until you tell him? No. Secrecy.

When ya got Templars developing feelings for a mage, like Cullen and Amell for example of it, and go sleep together like countless Templars and Mages have done. Does the Knight-Commander know that these things happen? No. Secrecy.

Does a Grand Cleric know about the shit their sisters do like Petrice was doing? No. Secrecy.

 

The point of the secrecy is so they don't get caught - and they keep their titles. No one else knew what she was doing besides Varnell. So if Hawke just stabbed her, even though she deserves it for trying to get a thug killed to get the Saarabas out of there, it's murder in the eyes of everyone else. 

Grand Cleric finds out she got murdered? Off with Mage Hawke or off with Bethany, and non-mage Hawke would of been killed or in prison.

 

So to *you* and House and I and everyone else it can be darn sure death that she deserved. But they would only have a Ferelden smuggler/merc off a boat for a year with a dead Sister, you tell me how that'd end well.

Of course this all hypothetical if she wasn't needed for Act 2.

 

That is the point I'm trying to get across but everyone is so dense and butt-hurt about that game they, House - in particular, just wants to stab her and thinks that should be it when it obviously *does not* work that way. 



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Yet I can kill innocent people, steal from people, butcher qunari that where doing their duty, kill templars, blackmail templars, leave children to starve, betray my employer and the long list of bad crap I can do but my Hawke can't kill a corrupt chantry sister who no one would even be able to figure out who did it(after all, no one could catch QUintin despite all the goddam evidence he leaves)

 

It's simply shitty writing and forced bullocks.

Sorry but this isn't a Bethseda game you really can't steal from anyone in this game.

The people you kill deserve it in the game. There isn't much innocents you can kill. Besides leaving Redcliffe to fend for themselves. 

Tal-Vashoth aren't Qunari and it's a *choice* to kill those Qunari. 

Barely any Templar deaths than ones that are corrupted by Demons. If you go pro mage you can kill templars but there's always the *choice* of not doing that. Same with the stupid blackmail thing you brought up which I don't get why. Whoop dee doo blackmail like what??????

The only Child in DA2 is that little boy with the smugglers. You don't starve him.

 

Pls House, if you're going to throw random stuff out like that make sure you can actually back it up.

 

And it took like 10 years for that investigation and even Hawke didn't figure it out until it was too late when Leandra died because of it. If it was so obvious then Leandra wouldn't have died :-).

 

*my bad for double posting lmao*


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#234
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Yes choices, so why is there no choice to kill Petrice? Stop defending poor decisions that outright hurt player agency.


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I shall rage all I want!

You're no berserker.


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Oh my meowcats.. are you seriously, this dense? This has to be a joke.

Once again, and for the last time because I'm done dealing with your stupidity, Petrice is a Chantry Sister and it'd break out a bunch of bullshit like I have said in every post too you.

This is hypothetically (hope that's not too big of a word for you  ;) ) if she was not highlighted as a character to progress the game.

Killing unpossessed templars fine, BUT CAN'T KILL A CHANTRY PRIEST WHO TRIED TO HAVE YOU KILLED

 

Give me a break, also personal insults? Yeah, you just lost the argument, when you have to resort to petty insults, it just shows me you can't debate. Hope you enjoy your warning.



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Oh my meowcats.. are you seriously, this dense? This has to be a joke.

Once again, and for the last time because I'm done dealing with your stupidity, Petrice is a Chantry Sister and it'd break out a bunch of bullshit like I have said in every post too you.

This is hypothetically (hope that's not too big of a word for you  ;) ) if she was not highlighted as a character to progress the game.

Sooo Salty. Geez
Kill the Qunari Arishok without starting war? Check
Kill a bunch of templars in the heart of the chantry? Check
Kill Templar lieutenants outside Kirkwall? Check
Kill a kirkwall magistrates son without reprocussions? Check
Kill some random chantry sister in the middle of an abandoned house in kirkwall in the middle of the night guarded only by one templar? "LOL YOU DENSE SON?!"


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Sooo Salty. Geez
Kill the Qunari Arishok without starting war? Check
Kill a bunch of templars in the heart of the chantry? Check
Kill Templar lieutenants outside Kirkwall? Check
Kill a kirkwall magistrates son without reprocussions? Check
Kill some random chantry sister in the middle of an abandoned house in kirkwall in the middle of the night guarded only by one templar? "LOL YOU DENSE SON?!"

Don't forget you can even kill a Hightown noble at the docks.



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No, your Inquisitor IS different from mine, just like your warden is, just like your Hawke is. You're just salty because you can't play Hawke anymore.

Sure, they are different. They are so different that bioware is writing a single individual story for every fan, with unlimited cash, and time.

Oh look, up in the sky.. I see curly tails ;)
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#240
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Then warden should be dead last.

Side note, I find it somewhat amusing the amount of people who say they don't care for the inquisitor, yet use pictures of their inquisitors for avatars.

I like my Quizzy and I do hope the story continues with him. I think he has lots of potential and I want to get to know him more. But if I were to take a step back and examine him. He is sort of dull, kind of weak around companions, and not very fleshed out beyond headcanon. I guess I like him because of my headcanon more than what the game gave me.

 

ex: I recently recruited IB. I usually select the top option but this time I decided to select what looked like a threat but still recruit him. After all, I just found out he is a Quanri spy so it makes sense to give him a stern warning. I was pretty happy when my Quizzy started in on him until he says "If you risk the Inquisition Cassandra will eat you alive." :huh:  really? I have no doubt Cassandra would want a piece of him but it just seemed like a real wuss move to threaten someone with what someone else will do to them. IB is the Quizzy's responsibility so why can't I tell him what I personally would do to him if he makes me regret bringing him on?

 

edit: I agree that Hawke should have been able to kill that nobody Petrice. Kill her dead and dump her and her fugly haired guard in the ocean.


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Don't forget you can even kill a Hightown noble at the docks.

I keep forgetting that you can do that, in broad daylight. I keep working for Athenril, mainly because I like getting the gold from that frightened noble, and then killing Keeran later for my betrayal.



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Wow, they listened to their fans.

 

Maybe they should stop listening?

it would probably be for the best, less confusing and worrying 



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it would probably be for the best, less confusing and worrying 

 

Hmm, I wonder if then we'd end up with an interactive movie with lots of flashy spells and graphics, twitch combat, wave combat, recycled invironments and rushed in 1.5 years to get the most bang for the buck. Oh wait... *looks at DA2*.



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This. We're not happy with anything we get.

 

It's because most people don't know what they want.

 

They think they know that, but in the end when its delivered or not fulfilling the schema in your mind, it is a failure or a disappointment. The only way to really judge is to play it yourself, no amount of complaining and discussion would likely change the mind of anyone because of the subjective nature of the games and their mechanics. 



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Of course they should stop listening to fans. 

They are professional game designers.

Fans are professional toadies.


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#246
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I can dream up some good personalities, but it's hit and miss. Circle mage feels the most complete and kind of writes itself. After that, I like a female human noble more than male, personally.. The background makes them seem young and inexperienced. Something about the default female character fits that for me... she looks like Jena Malone (older now, but was a child actress). Dwarf fits a bastard character, operating in the lyrium trade. I can't see them taking the Inquisition seriously, but someone who'd manipulate it for their own means. Qunari and Dalish feel more forced.. I suppose they get better as the game moves along, but their reasons for being at the conclave is stupid.



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I actually really connected with my Inquisitor, moreso than the warden or Hawke. The emotion in the voice mirrors what I might feel and despite a lack of any real personal history (and the complete lack of emotion if the Inquisitor is Dalish and their entire clan is wiped out on a war table mission) I felt more attached to this character than in the past. 



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First people complained that the Grey Warden wasn't voiced and was boring for some of them. Then they complained that Hawke's paraphrasing ruined their immersion. Now they complain that the new voice acting direction is too bland. Seriously, BioWare will never please anyone with the BSN attitude going on.

 

It's because most people don't know what they want.

 

I still feel like there's a lot of this going on... where there's a will (and the skill), there's a way IMO.

 

This isn't that insane is it? Maybe Hawke was too talkative and irritating and Grey Warden was the opposite. What about a middle ground? Seems safe enough.



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Hawke/DA2 is practically a long origin story. It's bound to have more personality.. most of the game revolves around personal and interpersonal stuff.



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The strength of a silent protagonist, it's way easier to connect to a character that your voicing in your head then some voiced character although I did like Jo's performace as Fem Hawke and I really liked Regan's performance as Fem Inquisitor.