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[electrifried]

Cory's character design is really cool and if he had some lines that actually made some sense (instead of spouting generic wannabe villain bs) I think he would have actually been pretty scary. As it is I never felt like Cory was any danger to the world at all, in this game he's like an annoying fly buzzing around. 

[Mr.House]

I enjoyed Cory, sure he's not as complex as Sun Li or Irenicus, but that does not make him a bad villain. he had a fantastic voice, what he wanted to do fits well with the rebuilding Tevinter theme and acts as a great contrast to Dorian, his scenes where fantastic and while true he himself is easy in the final fight, that's the point. By that point Coryshite is a old deluded fool who has failed and now only cares about one thing, killing his rival. He is willing to use so much of his energy to create the breach again, which makes it very unstable that will swallow the world to simply kill you. His pride demands he does not give in and to keep fighting. Just compare the scene when he confronts you at Haven during In your heart burn and before the final battle. Coryboob is not the same. He's no longer composed or sure of himself. He's flinging petty insults like a child who has had their toy taken away, it's because you pushed him into a corner and by also having a dragon to fight him, you have pretty much out maneuvered him. We also see in his final moments hat he has a massive crisis of faith. He is weak at the end oft he game on purpose, the dialog, the scenes, how much magic he used all points to it that he is living on borrowed time and only cares about killing you.

 

Now could Bioware have done MORE with Coryfish? Yes, more so for people who don't do Champions of the just. You pretty much lose out on massive amounts of exposure on him and Calpernia.Also Darth Malak was horrible, then again my opinion on KOTOR is unpopular so meh.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gameplay.

Story.

Segregation.

 

I was actually going off of power demonstrated in the lore.

 

Not...in game durability or whatever you were going on about.

 

Flemeth required proxie to revive, Cory just needed a corpse with the taint.

 

Add in that and Cory just is shown preforming or being cited to do just more impressive magic.

[Vox Draco]

Well, wants what every decent villain wants to achieve, which is a plus in my book .... TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

 

He is also the first villain in the Dragon Age series that really tries to get that title, and deserves it. But ... yeah, for the next game please try to come up with something a bit more threatening, and I don't mean the visuals...and give the villains some more screentime and interaction with our hero and the side-cast as well. And use some cinematics that tells us the stories from the villain's headquarter as well!

[renfrees]

Lorewise, I guess Corypheus was the most powerful thing we've fought...perhaps. Though, I think that some of the forbidden ones are just as powerful, if not more so, as well as the Archdemon.

 

Gameplay wise, I was level 23 when I fought him the first time, on Hard, and he went down rather easily, so I was a bit disappointed.

 

 

One thing I liked about the fight was during the end, even though he had previously disavowed the Old Gods, he found himself calling out to them anyways for help when he was losing the battle.

He disavowed the Maker, but I don't remember him disavowing the Old Gods, Dumat in particular.

[Mr.House]

He disavowed the Maker, but I don't remember him disavowing the Old Gods, Dumat in particular.

Yup, he never disavowed the Old Gods, in fact he was a devout follower of Dumat.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yup, he never disavowed the Old Gods, in fact he was a devout follower of Dumat.

 

Uh his last line in the game indicates otherwise.

 

He was questioning the very existence of Dumat and the Old Gods.

 

Some have thrown in conjecture that it was hypocrisy but i personally think it was meant to be taken literally.

 

"If you exist, if you have ever existed." 

[Hellion Rex]

He disavowed the Maker, but I don't remember him disavowing the Old Gods, Dumat in particular.

I meant that during Haven, he says that he once breached the Black City "in the name of another", and now he's simply doing it for himself. I took it as him disavowing the Old Gods, cause they never spoke to him after he got Tainted.

 

 

And as Z said, he cries out "if you exist, if you have ever existed, aid me now."

 

If not outright disavowal, it at least suggests that he has doubt of their existence.

[Mr.House]

Uh his last line in the game indicates otherwise.

 

He was questioning the very existence of Dumat and the Old Gods.

 

Some have thrown in conjecture that it was hypocrisy but i personally think it was meant to be taken literally.

 

"If you exist, if you have ever existed." 

Yes he says that, when he is about to be totally and utterly defeated. Of course a person who was such a devout believer would question the existence of his god when his god has yet to ever truly help him. Before that however he never ever did that, only when he was close to his end he had his crisis of faith and it works.

[Mr.House]

I meant that during Haven, he says that he once breached the Black City "in the name of another", and now he's simply doing it for himself. I took it as him disavowing the Old Gods, cause they never spoke to him after he got Tainted.

 

 

And as Z said, he cries out "if you exist, if you have ever existed, aid me now."

 

If not outright disavowal, it at least suggests that he has doubt of their existence.

Yet he creates a dragon to emulate a old god.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yet he creates a dragon to emulate a old god.

 

A tainted Old God.

 

I think that speaks volumes.

 

He exalts the force that ruins them above themselves.

[Piffle]

I think Corypheus would be more threatening if he actually succeeded on some endeavor... other than founding a cult, what else can he put on his resume?

 

He failed at killing Hawke, failed at killing the inquisitor (even with an army and a dragon versus an indefensible village), failed to raise a demon army, failed at keeping his red lyrium troops supplied (despite how you can grow the stuff out of human bodies), etc.

 

What has he been doing while imprisoned by the Grey Wardens since his escape from the Black City? Obviously not planning since his poorly concocted godhood-gaining scheme hinged on Elvehn artifacts he came by through chance...

[Hellion Rex]

Yet he creates a dragon to emulate a old god.

If I recall correctly, Dorian mentions that perhaps it's not so much an emulation to praise the Old Gods, but an emulation to say that he's basically on their level now and just as strong.

[Br3admax]

I was actually going off of power demonstrated in the lore.

 

Not...in game durability or whatever you were going on about.

 

Flemeth required proxie to revive, Cory just needed a corpse with the taint.

 

Add in that and Cory just is shown preforming or being cited to do just more impressive magic.

That doesn't really make him more powerful, tbh. It's about his ability to fight, not survive after being killed. 

[Mr.House]

I think Corypheus would be more threatening if he actually succeeded on some endeavor... other than founding a cult, what else can he put on his resume?

 

He failed at killing Hawke, failed at killing the inquisitor (even with an army and a dragon versus an indefensible village), failed to raise a demon army, failed at keeping his red lyrium troops supplied (despite how you can grow the stuff out of human bodies), etc.

 

What has he been doing while imprisoned by the Grey Wardens since his escape from the Black City? Obviously not planning since his poorly concocted godhood-gaining scheme hinged on Elvehn artifacts he came by through chance...

Coryfishness was most likely the unknown being who wanted the passphrase for the Elvuivans in TME, which he failed to achieve because he was betrayed that is why he moved to the orb.He had to keep changing his plans because he was first betrayed then had the Inquisitor thwart the ritual. Both of those where simply flukes.

[Hellion Rex]

Coryfishness was mos likely the unknown being who wanted the passphrase for the Elvuivans in TME, which he failed to achieve because he was betrayed that is why he moved to the orb.He had to keep changing his plans because he was first betrayed then had the Inquisitor thwart the ritual. Both of those where simply flukes.

Eh....I got the sense that it was more Solas than Cory in TME asking for the passphrase.

[Mr.House]

Eh....I got the sense that it was more Solas than Cory in TME asking for the passphrase.

Solas would have no need for them, he has his orb, he simply needed power for it, Coryphesises however has no such thing to open them.

[Piffle]

If the passphrase is so important... well, why send a minion to do such an important job?

[Mr.House]

If the passphrase is so important... well, why send a minion to do such an important job?

Because Felassan was very close to Briala and the best chance to get the passphrase, which he almost does until he refuses it and betrays who ever it was that was using him* (Rex believes it was Solas, I believe it was Cory)

[Kinsz]

Well Morrigan does say that even the voices of the well were " afraid of what Corypheus has become, his powers are limitless" take that for what you will.

[Hellion Rex]

Also, did anyone get the sense that the whole passphrase thing got scrapped in DAI? Cause what Morrigan was saying kinda invalidated what TME said. Though perhaps it's just that Morrigan found a way around such safeguards.

[The Baconer]

Also, did anyone get the sense that the whole passphrase thing got scrapped in DAI? Cause what Morrigan was saying kinda invalidated what TME said. Though perhaps it's just that Morrigan found a way around such safeguards.

 

I feel like the entire issue of Briala and the elves having control of the Eluvians just got smothered, because going by this game's story that should have been super, super important.

[Mr.House]

Also, did anyone get the sense that the whole passphrase thing got scrapped in DAI? Cause what Morrigan was saying kinda invalidated what TME said. Though perhaps it's just that Morrigan found a way around such safeguards.

Morrigan does say people have used the other mirrors recently and the network is mentioned in the private letter between Gaspard and Celene. It's possible Morrigan because of her magical expertise was able to do safe guards for her own mirror, it's not imposable that she would be able to afterall. She was trained and taught by Flemeth, has her grimoire and did lots of research.

[Nerdage]

The fact that he was either out-played or over-powered almost every time his forces crossed the Inquisition's path left him feeling a little un-threatening to me honestly, not just the operations we personally dismantle, but war table ops too.

 

The blight in Origins felt like a real threat that was growing, I remember worrying in my first play-through that if I didn't finish the story fast enough that I'd just lose the game, like it was a real race against time to rally all the disparate groups before the blight consumed the nation. While you're running around trying to win over different factions you keep hearing about how the blight is coming, or about how some region has already fallen to darkspawn; the blight doesn't just wait around to be beaten, it advances on its own, and in the end you actually lose the capital to it before turning the tide.

 

Corypheus, despite on-paper being a smarter and potentially more destructive enemy than the blight, whose forces had the advantage of having no holds barred --no ethical constraints and free rein to use blood magic-- seems to just derp around the subcontinent getting thwarted by the goodies. I mean, his one big moment of triumph, marching his stolen army on Haven, lasts all of 10 minutes before turning out to actually be doing a huge favour to the Inquisition by driving us to Skyhold and gaining us huge support and credibility. I hate to compare him to Cerberus but it gives me the same feeling, like he should be a lot more effective than he is, and the only reason he isn't is to flatter the player.

 

If it ever felt like Corypheus was closing in on his goal and we were trying to catch up, rather than just having us systematically dismantle everything he's put in place while he seemingly does nothing to stop us, maybe it would feel different.

 

tl;dr

Corypheus can't win for losing, and it's not an intimidating trait in a baddie.

[Mr.House]

The fact that he was either out-played or over-powered almost every time his forces crossed the Inquisition's path left him feeling a little un-threatening to me honestly, not just the operations we personally dismantle, but war table ops too.

 

The blight in Origins felt like a real threat that was growing, I remember worrying in my first play-through that if I didn't finish the story fast enough that I'd just lose the game, like it was a real race against time to rally all the disparate groups before the blight consumed the nation. While you're running around trying to win over different factions you keep hearing about how the blight is coming, or about how some region has already fallen to darkspawn; the blight doesn't just wait around to be beaten, it advances on its own, and in the end you actually lose the capital to it before turning the tide.

 

Corypheus, despite on-paper being a smarter and potentially more destructive enemy than the blight, whose forces had the advantage of having no holds barred --no ethical constraints and free rein to use blood magic-- seems to just derp around the subcontinent getting thwarted by the goodies. I mean, his one big moment of triumph, marching his stolen army on Haven, lasts all of 10 minutes before turning out to actually be doing a huge favour to the Inquisition by driving us to Skyhold and gaining us huge support and credibility. I hate to compare him to Cerberus but it gives me the same feeling, like he should be a lot more effective than he is, and the only reason he isn't is to flatter the player.

 

If it ever felt like Corypheus was closing in on his goal and we were trying to catch up, rather than just having us systematically dismantle everything he's put in place while he seemingly does nothing to stop us, maybe it would feel different.

 

tl;dr

Corypheus can't win for losing, and it's not an intimidating trait in a baddie.

Hmm I felt no fear from the Fifth Blight personally. What we where seeing and what was told in lore about the old blights was just not the same, add to the fact that the Archdemon is killed by three wardens(two who are still recruits) before it even truly begins and the fear of Blights just shattered for me.