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[DarkAmaranth1966]

It was Fiona. That was perhaps a week after the breach appeared (Quizzy was out for 3 days after trying to close it.) But in Redcliffe, Alexius got there just 2 days after the explosion (probably while quizzy was unconscious in jail, before ever trying to close the breach.) Alexius altered time so that he arrived in Redcliffe before any of the rest of the story happened so, that Fiona never went to Val Roueaux.

 

When she did go, Alexius had not yet reached Redcliffe in that time line, the templars did not threaten the mages - so Alexius/ Cory had to have orchestrated all of that.

[Adseri]

I don't think Fiona we saw in Val Royeaux was a demon - there wasn't any advantage for Alexius or Corypheus in luring inquisitor early, especially when everything was going according to their plan at that time.

 

I think that Fiona we encountered in Val Royeaux was a person from the unmodified timeline and from time before Alexius modified anything. By the time inquisitor made his way to Redcliffe  Alexius arrived and started performing ritual, which caused a rift with time phenomena to open - and which incidentally converged with the time of arrival (we know the rift with time annomalies just opened because we see gate guardian running away).

 

Maybe because of the fact that a team was close to time anomally rift at the time of ritual (they were closing it) they somehow weren't affected with change to fit different timeline and preserved their memories (at least the group that was with Inquisitor at that time) of the "old" world. Since the "old" world and "new" world doesn't differ much for inquisitor we have memories from before time change, but there isn't any significant change in surrounding world to notice anything that wouldn't be consistent with it.

Or maybe we switched places with another inquisitor from different timeline. Who knows, maybe somewhere there is inquisitor who now wonders how it is possible that he arrived at the same time with Alexius at the gates of Redcliffe when he thinks that Tevinter arrived in Redcliffe few weeks earlier? And wonders why Fiona was expecting him.

 

As for why bad guys didn't go back in time to kill inquisitor, or fix the ritual that started the game - we learn from notes in far future that Alexius can't go back to a time before first, biggest rift opened, which apparently is too late.

 

Also I think, that if we go to Templars instead of Mages we are affected with time change and our newest hero doesn't remember the encounter - only we, players, do.

[legbamel]

You can get the time magic info and side with the Templars. Just go to Redcliffe, talk to Alexius and Dorian, then off to side with the Templars because Fiona's too stupid to be an ally.

[elrofrost]

i never even thought about it being a paradox. I just figured Alexius had sent a demon to get my rear end to Redcliffe.

I still wish Varric had suggested Felix join the Grey Wardens, though I suppose Alexius wouldn't have wanted to take the chance that he'd die during the joining and your sibling might not have been corrupted in the Deep Roads so Varric might not know about it. Still, it would have been an interesting way to tie DA2 into the story if your world state included Warden Bethany or Warden Carver. Bonus Warden Felix later would have been awesome!

I wondered this too. It seemed the perfect solution. Unless of course, Alexius knew what Cory had been doing to the Wardens - upstarting the Calling early.

[Robert Cousland]

Wibbley wobbley, timey wimey...

[Boost32]

How Fiona would get past the templars alone? Why she would appear in Val Royeaux near a templar squad? How she would not be recognized? How she would go back to Redcliff alone? Why the inquisitor was not affected by the time magic? The anchor didnt protect him when he confronted Alexius.

The envy demon was in Val Royeaux, he didnt want you near Therinfall (if you do champions of the just , he is surprised by you, saying you interrupted his plans), Alexius was already expecting you, he invites you to a trap.

[Shahadem]

It was Fiona, let's just leave it at that. No point in talking about how badly Bioware botched up time travel.

[Eveangaline]

I liked the mage quest line but I still hope we never see time travel again in a DA game. 

 

Iiiii have to admit I wouldn't mind a dlc where we go to seal a large leftover rift and get shunted into the past and get to meet andraste/find more about elvish history/see some cool past ****

 

Within reason.

[justanotherusername]

I suppose the real question is why you remember meeting Fiona. Time Travel in the DA universe seems like a bizarre beast.

 

The reason Alexius travels back in time in the first place is because you are approached by the mages and allies with them. If Fiona never seeks out the inquisitor, Alexius might never need to travel back in time to recruit her. 

[skarth]

Iiiii have to admit I wouldn't mind a dlc where we go to seal a large leftover rift and get shunted into the past and get to meet andraste/find more about elvish history/see some cool past ****

Within reason.

Spoilers you accidentally kill andraste and flemeth fly in on a unicorn. She tells you that you must take andraste place on the torch or the universe will collapse. If your male you have to dress in drag.

[Zstur]

If Fiona really does say something about feeling weird when you mention it to her...then I think it was obviously her because she has that feeling. I just can't remember what she specifically says.

[Quill74Pen]

That's a lot more annoying of an answer than I was hoping for. Damn time travel.

 

Heck, just wait until you toss differing quantum realities into the mix!

[Incanus]

According to the info in the game time travel is only possible in the timeframe in which the Breach existed so there will be no going back or foreward anymore.

[BigEvil]

Alternate theory: Fiona is senile just like Vivienne claims, and she just forgot all about meeting the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux.

 

But yeah, I'd go with time line wonkyness due to Alexius.

[Little Princess Peach]

I do believe it was her, and as mentioned by Gaz, time travel then messed up the continueum. Fiona went to you, asked for help...then went back, got caught in that time-spell of Alexius and as such has no memory of going to you, because in her mind, she never DID.

..my best guess.

her presant self would not of gone back in time yet, so she would not of known about it thus why she as all confused at redclifhanger

[Bethgael]

She was herself both times.

It was time travel + Tevinter forget spell (or similar). It is all explained when you do the mage side.

[snackrat]

It wasn't an imposter. Alexius' use of time magic meant he arrived at Redcliffe to stop Fiona from going. That is the given explanation of what happened.

The question is instead: with the modification of time, how was she able to be there in the first place? I guess you'd already interacted with her before that spell? Maybe you're in the eye of the storm with the Anchor?

[Zstur]

It wasn't an imposter. Alexius' use of time magic meant he arrived at Redcliffe to stop Fiona from going. That is the given explanation of what happened.

The question is instead: with the modification of time, how was she able to be there in the first place? I guess you'd already interacted with her before that spell? Maybe you're in the eye of the storm with the Anchor?

I think the consensus is that the effects of time travel was only felt in Redcliff, since Dorian said the time rifts haven't gone further yet.

[Lucky Thirteen]

It's funny how so many details like this get easily missed and overlooked and leave players generally confused about this game. I think the semi-open world mechanics has really screwed things up. 

[Dr. Rush]

Time magic makes sense. My first thought was it was Morrigan being manipulately.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Simple, Fion went to Val Roueaux BEFORE Alexius got to Redcliffe. Alexius came, altered time there and, the Fiona of the new timeline never went to find Quizzy. Redcliffe is left on the timeline Alexius set it on, you don't undo that. If you side with mages, you get sent a year forward but, that's after Redcliffe time was already changed so, you never undo that bit. It isn't major after you get rid of Alexius but, it's still not the future that village would have had w/o the magister.

[soroush_knight]

I think it was dorian.when you go to redcllife and close the rift you talk with Dorian.there is a conversation option that ask dorian : you send a message in val royeaux? And dorian says he was the messenger.

[Addictress]

Sometimes I feel like the DAI writing team left stuff like this vague and didn't clarify because they wanted to be like an indie cerebral film like Primer, where the more confusing and poorly explained plot elements are, the 'smarter' the film and audience are presumed to be.

Like a bunch of indie fans awkwardly invaded a game heretofore heavily reliant on traditional straigtforward storytelling. And some fans call it an improvement - a nudge in the right direction!

I call it a patchy mess of fails.

[lynroy]

Holy freakin necro! And it's another Fiona thread that gets the necro.

[Addictress]

Like I love Primer and indie films, but you gotta choose what you're trying to be. And stick with it