The answer is time travel. Doesn't make sense? Of course it doesn't, it's time travel. So does this mean that there were two Fiona's, one in Val Royeaux and one in Redcliffe? And how can the Inquisitor and companions remember meeting Fiona if Alexius reset the timeline in order to get to Redcliffe sooner? Don't think about it, it's time travel.
Time. Travel. That's what happened.
The answer is time travel. Doesn't make sense? Of course it doesn't, it's time travel. So does this mean that there were two Fiona's, one in Val Royeaux and one in Redcliffe? And how can the Inquisitor and companions remember meeting Fiona if Alexius reset the timeline in order to get to Redcliffe sooner? Don't think about it, it's time travel.
Time. Travel. That's what happened.
No disrespect intended, but I feel adopting this kind of mindset just paves the way for lazy writing/execution. The writers didn't properly address the Fiona thing and I'd rather not shrug it off just because time travel was involved.
I'm going to assume that the post was satire, making fun of how time traveling can be used to fill plotholes without any other explanation needed, and that BW expects people to just '' time travel, go with it ''
IMHO time and mind control is why Fiona doesn't recall being in Val. You notice Alexius took Fiona to the castle even though she wasn't really need to give Felix his powders.
Why mind control? When Dorian and the Inquisitor is send forward in time they remember being set forward in time where Fiona doesn't.
The Lord Seeker is not a demon..He is either a brutishly brutal or under mind control. Either way I have no love for him and his Templars simply because they couldn't wait to start killing mages even the tranquil, apprentices, children and the other mages that remained peacefully at the Circles.
BW writers lacks imagination and on the lazy side. Time travel is lame and how did Alexius know the Inquisition's plans?
I thought it was pretty obvious... You discover time magic, Fiona has no memory of meeting you, Alexius magically shows up before you do. Put 3 and 3 together.
Dane,Your 3 + 3 really amounts to some pretty lame writing with lots of blanks and questions.
If DA:4 isn't a improvement over DA:2 and DA:I that will be my last DA game.
Sometimes I feel like the DAI writing team left stuff like this vague and didn't clarify because they wanted to be like an indie cerebral film like Primer, where the more confusing and poorly explained plot elements are, the 'smarter' the film and audience are presumed to be.
Like a bunch of indie fans awkwardly invaded a game heretofore heavily reliant on traditional straigtforward storytelling. And some fans call it an improvement - a nudge in the right direction!
I call it a patchy mess of fails.
Or they thought it sounded cool and didn't expect fans to look too deeply into the logic.Which is fair for the 95% of players who play the game once or twice and don't pay too much attention to details. But most people on these boards are the 5% who play the game multiple times and actually analyze the logic behind the writing.
No disrespect intended, but I feel adopting this kind of mindset just paves the way for lazy writing/execution. The writers didn't properly address the Fiona thing and I'd rather not shrug it off just because time travel was involved.
Well it's not like we can do anything about it at this point. We've done as much as we can by raising the logic fails in the writing; whether or not we handwave the writing, it's already been done and nothing we say is going to change it. The best we could hope for is a writer directly addressing our questions, and I highly doubt that will happen.
IMHO time and mind control is why Fiona doesn't recall being in Val. You notice Alexius took Fiona to the castle even though she wasn't really need to give Felix his powders.
Why mind control? When Dorian and the Inquisitor is send forward in time they remember being set forward in time where Fiona doesn't.
The Lord Seeker is not a demon..He is either a brutishly brutal or under mind control. Either way I have no love for him and his Templars simply because they couldn't wait to start killing mages even the tranquil, apprentices, children and the other mages that remained peacefully at the Circles.
BW writers lacks imagination and on the lazy side. Time travel is lame and how did Alexius know the Inquisition's plans?
The Lucius we meet in Val Royeaux is canonically the envy demon. The actual Lord Seeker has allowed the demon to take his face by this point and is hunting down Seekers.
Sometimes I feel like the DAI writing team left stuff like this vague and didn't clarify because they wanted to be like an indie cerebral film like Primer, where the more confusing and poorly explained plot elements are, the 'smarter' the film and audience are presumed to be.
No disrespect intended, but I feel adopting this kind of mindset just paves the way for lazy writing/execution. The writers didn't properly address the Fiona thing and I'd rather not shrug it off just because time travel was involved.
I'm going to assume that the post was satire, making fun of how time traveling can be used to fill plotholes without any other explanation needed, and that BW expects people to just '' time travel, go with it ''
BW writers lacks imagination and on the lazy side. Time travel is lame and how did Alexius know the Inquisition's plans?
Or they thought it sounded cool and didn't expect fans to look too deeply into the logic.Which is fair for the 95% of players who play the game once or twice and don't pay too much attention to details. But most people on these boards are the 5% who play the game multiple times and actually analyze the logic behind the writing.
Well it's not like we can do anything about it at this point. We've done as much as we can by raising the logic fails in the writing; whether or not we handwave the writing, it's already been done and nothing we say is going to change it. The best we could hope for is a writer directly addressing our questions, and I highly doubt that will happen.
I think the time magic only affected Redcliffe and surrounding area. If you go to Redcliffe you learn that The time magic is connected to the rifts and the rifts around Redcliffe create time distortions but it is only happening in that area. So basically Fiona's timeline is changed but the Inquisitors is not.
It's called a paradox. When you met her that was reality - or the correct time. When you met her again in Redcliff, time had been change. There was a new realty. Very dangerous. Which Dorian pointed out. One slip and everything goes to hell. Which it did. But of course, the Inquisitor (with some help) fix everything.
Basically, it was all Alexius' magical time travel. You meet Fiona at VR, but soon after, Alexius uses time travel to go to Redcliffe in the immediate aftermath of the Sacred Ashes explosion. He and the Venatori then uses agents and sympathizers within the apostates (and perhaps some magic as well) to create the feeling that they are about to be overrun by Templars to get them to agree to joining with Tevinter.
Note when you go to Redcliffe after meeting with Fiona, you have to close a rift before entering a village. Party banter talks about something being particularly freaky about this rift and the demons coming out of it, something related to the time distortion. (I really didn't notice much difference...)
One annoying thing -- totally off-topic -- is that prior to going to Val Royeaux, they won't let you into Redcliffe at all even without the rift. As a result, you don't have access to all the Level 1 schematics at the lakeside shop run by the dwarf. Once you go to VR, however, you immediately have access to Level 2 schematics. So, why bother with the Level 1 schematics at all? A rather dumb oversight on the part of the developers.
Evidence of last minute changes, probably based on beta feedback, with unforeseen consequences.One annoying thing -- totally off-topic -- is that prior to going to Val Royeaux, they won't let you into Redcliffe at all even without the rift. As a result, you don't have access to all the Level 1 schematics at the lakeside shop run by the dwarf. Once you go to VR, however, you immediately have access to Level 2 schematics. So, why bother with the Level 1 schematics at all? A rather dumb oversight on the part of the developers.
vbibbi,If that was the case why didn't he attack and destroy Seeker Cassandra since he had the manpower to overwhelm a small lightly arm and lightly armored group? He didn't hesitate to have a harmless Mother beaten down by one of his lackeys and then boast about power. I still think the Lord Seeker is a brutal man looking for power in dire times.
Of course it could be another story line flub.
The Seeker Lucius in Val Royeaux is the envy demon pretending to be the real Lucius. He doesn't attack Cassandra at that point because that would really make people like Barris question what he is doing. Apparently punching a cleric is okay because after all the Seekers/Templars have already left the Chantry but the aim of the envy demon at this point is to fully infiltrate and corrupt the Templar order, whilst the fledgling Inquisition is seen as nothing more than a minor annoyance. Later, when you turn up at Therinfall with a whole rag tag of nobles in your train, the envy demon decides that there might be more mileage in taking over the Inquisitor's identity than retaining the Lucius one, since it has already corrupted the majority of the Templar leadership with red lyrium.
As for the time magic, it would seem that Alexius can do what even Dr. Who can't and that is alter a specific bit of time in one part of the world, whilst leaving the rest untouched. This is the bit that seems so odd. Instead of Alexius travelling back in time and starting a new time line, where Fiona never travels to Val Royeaux and therefore you never meet her there, Alexius turns back time for everyone in Redcliffe Castle/village but the original timeline remains the same, so Fiona did travel to Val Royeaux, you did meet her, but then he alters time so she didn't go to Val Royeaux, thus not remembering going there but you still remember meeting her (thus creating a time paradox). Then Alexius shoots you forward in time and also in space (since you start in the throne room but end in the dungeon) and then Dorian with his sonic screwdriver (sorry amulet) is able to open up a wormhole in time and take you back to the original point just after Alexius sent you off.
Luckily it was stated that the events with time travel were due to unique circumstances brought about by the Breach, so hopefully will never be repeated.
Fiona is like Orsino and best forgotten as really bad writing.
Once rebel enough to defy centuries of religious tradition and civil rules to then blindly becoming slaves to an evil mage sitting on a pile of murdered Tranquil skulls no one talks about.
From protector/liberator of mages to as dumb as Grey Wardens. Just a failed character written poorly. No game is perfect.
It's referred to as 'hypertime' in DC Comics. Areas of affected time manipulation continue to exist with its own separate history of events.
If that doesn't explain why the Inquisitor and gang still remember Fiona at Val Royeaux, then just chalk it up to the Anchor's power as keeping them fixed on that history.
Alexius should have just magicked himself to the Temple of Sacred Ashes the moment the herald steps out of the Fade. It's like harlequin tag....just keep repeating until s/he shows up and you can knife him/her in the back. With time travel, you never run out of time, right? When the soldiers show up, he could magick himself elsewhere or, even better, proclaim himself the slayer of the one who killed the Divine. Instead, he went to Redcliffe. 
I'm going to assume that the post was satire, making fun of how time traveling can be used to fill plotholes without any other explanation needed, and that BW expects people to just '' time travel, go with it ''
Wait, isn't that exactly what one of the Inquisitor's lines to Dorian is? In the Chantry? If so, I'm going to assume you quoted it on purpose, but it does show that Bioware is aware that that explanation seems unsatisfying.
Alexius should have just magicked himself to the Temple of Sacred Ashes the moment the herald steps out of the Fade. It's like harlequin tag....just keep repeating until s/he shows up and you can knife him/her in the back. With time travel, you never run out of time, right? When the soldiers show up, he could magick himself elsewhere or, even better, proclaim himself the slayer of the one who killed the Divine. Instead, he went to Redcliffe.
I didn't know Alexius had a death wish.
"Ho! There's a Magister here! He killed the Divine! Slay him!" 
Uh, I think you misread what I wrote?
Evidence of last minute changes, probably based on beta feedback, with unforeseen consequences.
You're probably right. They should've just switched the schematics over to the small vendor at the crossroads. Oh well....
Alexius should have just magicked himself to the Temple of Sacred Ashes the moment the herald steps out of the Fade. It's like harlequin tag....just keep repeating until s/he shows up and you can knife him/her in the back. With time travel, you never run out of time, right? When the soldiers show up, he could magick himself elsewhere or, even better, proclaim himself the slayer of the one who killed the Divine. Instead, he went to Redcliffe.
Actually you have a point. I was going to mention the limits of magical time travel mentioned in "In Hushed Whispers," but that concerned trying to go back to the conclave itself and preventing the Inquisitor from interfering with the ceremony that would've given Corytheus the mark. The conclave explosion and the tear in the Veil was what made time travel possible, but it would only go back to the moment of the explosion itself and no further. About the only thing you can say is that after he initially makes the Inquisitor and Dorian disappear, out of sight out of mind. Alexius then became preoccupied with keeping his son alive and serving Cory.
Dane,Your 3 + 3 really amounts to some pretty lame writing with lots of blanks and questions.
If DA:4 isn't a improvement over DA:2 and DA:I that will be my last DA game.
It was mostly a joke based on the common "put 2+2 together" saying (as saying "that's obvious fool"), sorry for not putting a disclaimer with it. 
You're probably right. They should've just switched the schematics over to the small vendor at the crossroads. Oh well....
"It's time travel, go with it," is the response of a sceptical Inquisitor to being told by Dorian the reason everything in Redcliffe seems so weird. May be the writers were being rather self aware with that line but it breaks immersion for me.
The difficulty I have with the whole Hushed Whispers quest is that if I am keeping in character then I turned up at the inn, Fiona starts acting weird, we discover she has indentured herself and all the other mages to a Tevinter Magister, from a nation where we know that blood magic manipulation is endemic and then another guy, also from Tevinter, asks me to believe him when he says it is all due to time magic, something that the rest of the mages present have no knowledge of or consider possible. I then go away to think through what I have seen. In all honesty would I be willing to place my trust in some person I don't know from Adam, just because he has a pretty face, to help me infiltrate a castle where the Magister likely has control over hundreds of mages to turn against me. Why would anyone think that is a good idea? The fact that it turns out to be ridiculously easy to do this, does not take away from the suicidal risk you would think you were taking.
As for the suggestion that Alexius was simply trying to go back to the wrong point in time; so far as I can understand it, Corypheus doesn't just want to go back and kill the Inquisitor, he wants to get the anchor back. To do that you have to go back to before the explosion. Then Corypheus will have both bits to his set, can unlock the orb and walk into the Fade using the anchor. Alexius doesn't stop trying to do this once the Inquisitor disappears into the ether because the anchor went with them. So he keeps trying to turn back time to the point that Corypheus demands, getting increasingly desperate about it as his diary entries show.
I though it was an impostor at first, then time travel was introduced.
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