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[lyleoffmyspace]

This isn't a thread about the gay relationships in Dragon Age, since they were there in Origins, this is a thread about the morphing of the Dragon Age series from a dark fantasy inspired by A Song of Ice and Fire to something more standard high fantasy.

 

The first game was basically Game of Thrones yes. There was a civil war and political turmoil in the human world, and also in the Dwarven society. However it introduced a big religious aspect to the mix, as well as racial prejudices regarding elves, and a more up-front fantasy aspect with the Mages, Templars and The Blight. 

 

I thought this made for a unique setting. There weren't any things like homophobia in it, but clearly the world was very dark and adult, and it wasn't afraid to steer away from topics like rape and sexual assault. It had a bit of a grimey edge to it, which I enjoyed. Seeing the city elf origin first hand, seeing the horror of the creation of a Broodmother, and the classism of the Dwarves

 

Now in Inquisition we're just up to a standard high fantasy setting. The lore says the world is dark but we're barely shown it - there's no creepy moments, no shocking moments like the Broodmother reveal. The only shocking moment in the game was the dark future when you chose the Mages, and that was more teasing us that the world had gone to **** that showing us to be honest. Meanwhile, the Orlesian game didn't have any of the intricacies of the Cailin - Loghain - Eamon conflict of politics we had in Origins and everyone acted like standard cardboard cut out villains with no secret motivations or dark plotting.

 

Now I understand a lot of people like the high fantasy the game has become - "The world sucks enough, I don't want to play a game and be reminded of it", but as a fan of Origins who has been slowly driven to The Witcher series now, I'd just prefer a few more dark moments, atmosphere and mature topics again.

[Machina Obscura]

I think you make a fair point, but I think what they did with the warden's was a bit dark and surprising. In general though, i think they were slightly less brave with the darker elements, like with the risque elements. Its still not high fantasy, but definitely one step removed from a game of thrones type dark world.

[Vox Draco]

As much as I like "A Song of Ice and Fire" *cough* I am also growing a wee bit tired by now that everything and their mother gets compared to the series and/or has to be like that...

 

Well, if I want to read something humorous I simply read the first Witcher shortstories I guess ... so funny the "main thing" for  "dark fantasy" in gaming began as a sort of parody-series on common fairy-tale-cliches ... 

[Vilegrim]

As much as I like "A Song of Ice and Fire" *cough* I am also growing a wee bit tired by now that everything and their mother gets compared to the series and/or has to be like that...

 

Well, if I want to read something humorous I simply read the first Witcher shortstories I guess ... so funny the "main thing" for  "dark fantasy" in gaming began as a sort of parody-series on common fairy-tale-cliches ... 

 

 

Bioware have claimed to be inspired by ASOIAF so comparisons are bound to come about.

[Fufunette]

Bioware have claimed to be inspired by ASOIAF so comparisons are bound to come about.

What it is ?

[lyleoffmyspace]

I think you make a fair point, but I think what they did with the warden's was a bit dark and surprising. In general though, i think they were slightly less brave with the darker elements, like with the risque elements. Its still not high fantasy, but definitely one step removed from a game of thrones type dark world.

 

I didn't really get the Wardens actions in Inquisition. Like it made no sense to me, like they had all been drinking on the day that the Tevinter mage came over and then they decided that all resorting to blood magic and summoning a demon army to scour the Deep Roads and kill the Old Gods.

 

There wasn't even a tough moral choice there. The Wardens were just stupid and badly written in my opinion. It wasn't an interesting choice like "oh how far should we go to destroy evil?" or something like that, it was just "Oh my god the Wardens are so stupid today".

[ArtemisMoons]

What it is ?

A Song of Ice and Fire, the book series that the Game of Thrones show is based on.

[lyleoffmyspace]

What it is ?

 

A Song of Ice and Fire, the series of novels the HBO series Game of Thrones is adapted from.

 

The Grey Wardens are basically the Night's Watch down to the vows they take.

[Mr.House]

You can let an Empress get killed to put your desired person on the throne....

[ArtemisMoons]

I didn't really get the Wardens actions in Inquisition. Like it made no sense to me, like they had all been drinking on the day that the Tevinter mage came over and then they decided that all resorting to blood magic and summoning a demon army to scour the Deep Roads and kill the Old Gods.

 

There wasn't even a tough moral choice there. The Wardens were just stupid and badly written in my opinion. It wasn't an interesting choice like "oh how far should we go to destroy evil?" or something like that, it was just "Oh my god the Wardens are so stupid today".

Except reading the books that involve the Wardens show that they aren't afraid to resort to blood magic. Ever. They go to extreme lengths constantly.

 

I think people don't realize that DAO was kind of an idealized version of the Gray Wardens as we only saw a few members, and the two featured heavily (HOF and Alistair) barely know anything about the actual order. I mean, look at Duncan. That man straight up stabbed Jory when he started to freak out about the Joining- a ritual with deadly details  that Duncan specifically left out. So it's pretty obvious that the Gray Wardens are not the white knight type heroes that do only good without any sacrifice. 

[DarkSpiral]

This isn't a thread about the gay relationships in Dragon Age, since they were there in Origins, this is a thread about the morphing of the Dragon Age series from a dark fantasy inspired by A Song of Ice and Fire to something more standard high fantasy.

 

The first game was basically Game of Thrones yes. There was a civil war and political turmoil in the human world, and also in the Dwarven society. However it introduced a big religious aspect to the mix, as well as racial prejudices regarding elves, and a more up-front fantasy aspect with the Mages, Templars and The Blight. 

 

I thought this made for a unique setting. There weren't any things like homophobia in it, but clearly the world was very dark and adult, and it wasn't afraid to steer away from topics like rape and sexual assault. It had a bit of a grimey edge to it, which I enjoyed. Seeing the city elf origin first hand, seeing the horror of the creation of a Broodmother, and the classism of the Dwarves

 

Now in Inquisition we're just up to a standard high fantasy setting. The lore says the world is dark but we're barely shown it - there's no creepy moments, no shocking moments like the Broodmother reveal. The only shocking moment in the game was the dark future when you chose the Mages, and that was more teasing us that the world had gone to **** that showing us to be honest. Meanwhile, the Orlesian game didn't have any of the intricacies of the Cailin - Loghain - Eamon conflict of politics we had in Origins and everyone acted like standard cardboard cut out villains with no secret motivations or dark plotting.

 

Now I understand a lot of people like the high fantasy the game has become - "The world sucks enough, I don't want to play a game and be reminded of it", but as a fan of Origins who has been slowly driven to The Witcher series now, I'd just prefer a few more dark moments, atmosphere and mature topics again.

I am a little sick of people claiming that Dragon Age is a Game of Thrones clone.  The two stories honestly feel very differently.

 

That having been said, you raise some valid points.  I enjoyed DAI for what it was, but the darker edge is definitely missing.  

[Mr.House]

I am a little sick of people claiming that Dragon Age is a Game of Thrones clone.  The two stories honestly feel very differently.

 

That having been said, you raise some valid points.  I enjoyed DAI for what it was, but the darker edge is definitely missing.  

An old protag possibly dying, being able to make a mage tranquil yourself, Envy showing you what can happen if you become ""evil" letting an Empress die to put someone else on the throne ect.

 

Yeah DAI lacks no "edge" imo.

[Fufunette]

A Song of Ice and Fire, the book series that the Game of Thrones show is based on.

Ha ok, it doesn't have the same title in my countrie. >.> Thank you. ^^

[Primeyuri]

fun fact. DAO was inspired by the books before they became a  tv-series.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Except reading the books that involve the Wardens show that they aren't afraid to resort to blood magic. Ever. They go to extreme lengths constantly.

 

I think people don't realize that DAO was kind of an idealized version of the Gray Wardens as we only saw a few members, and the two featured heavily (HOF and Alistair) barely know anything about the actual order. I mean, look at Duncan. That man straight up stabbed Jory when he started to freak out about the Joining- a ritual with deadly details  that Duncan specifically left out. So it's pretty obvious that the Gray Wardens are not the white knight type heroes that do only good without any sacrifice. 

 

Yeah I know, they're called The Grey Wardens, so I am aware that they are there to do what others can't. That's the whole thing that I loved about Origins, because being a Warden let you play as a horrible person if you wanted. It's there with Duncan, Avernus, even your Warden in Origins. You can go to any lengths to defeat The Blight.

 

In Inquisition that wasn't there with the Wardens. Summoning a demon army to search thousands of miles of underground labyrinths to kill the Old Gods isn't "We will go to any lengths to defeat The Blight", it's "We are having a mind fart of epic proportions". Even the Wardens shouldn't do something that incredibly stupid. 

[herkles]

There is a good bit of dark parts that I actually feel can fit right at home in game of thrones.

• Freemen of the Dales: the main enemy for the emerald graves and exalted plains is IMO right at home in game of thrones. A bunch of deserters, a band like the brotherhood without banners who similarly to the brotherhood become little more then bandits and worse.
• the whole orlais thing could fit in with kings landing
• The mayor who drowned the village to save it fits in with a number of characters who did horrible things for good reasons, ie Jamie Lannister.
• Similarly the Grey wardens
• the whole ancient elves is rather similar to Brans journey to the children, right down to learning about the magic of the past but leaving just as many questions as answers

Those were just a few of the things that I just got from the top of my head. Now the thing is, that we didn't really see much of the society in Inquistion which is one of my biggest issues. We didn't get t see many towns or villages, the biggest we see is actually Redcliff IMO as Val Royaux isn't as big as it should be. If we saw much more of the society, ie the cities in Fereldan and Orlais. I think the darker aspects would be much more visible or apparent IMO

[Vilegrim]

An old protag possibly dying, being able to make a mage tranquil yourself, Envy showing you what can happen if you become ""evil" letting an Empress die to put someone else on the throne ect.
 
Yeah DAI lacks no "edge" imo.

Old protag going out in a heroic sacrifice, so yea pure as the driven snow that one, having to treat what looked like an awesome 'dark side' path we got shown as if we would never even consider it...again white, ending a civil war, this one gets a 'slightly sooty', none of them come close to the Redcliff or Orzamar story lines for evil options.

[Draining Dragon]

I miss the days when you could sell a child's soul to a demon.

[Vilegrim]

I miss the days when you could sell a child's soul to a demon.

Or setup a system for turning casteless into mind-controlled walking siege engines, or condemn a clan to death and a village to remain eternally cursed because you want a werewolf army, or .....

[nici2412]

The little bit influence The previous games had from a Song of Ice and Fire is definitly completely gone. Dragon Age is 99% High Fantasy now. And I think that defnitly fits better with Bioware's social agenda. Making this game like Game of Thrones just wouldn't work for todays Bioware.

[Vilegrim]

The little bit influence The previous games had from a Song of Ice and Fire is definitly completely gone. Dragon Age is 99% High Fantasy now. And I think that defnitly fits better with Bioware's social agenda. Making this game like Game of Thrones just wouldn't work for todays Bioware.

Care to explain that one?

[Eledran]

I always thought Dragon Age had more of a "Wheel of Time" influence than a Game of Thrones one.

 

Magic corrupting users? Check.

 

The once pure use of magic / force being corrupted by ancient evil and human hubris? Check.

 

Attacks by evil monsters who are created out of existing creatures? Check.

 

Foreign invaders who are trying to turn the entire world to their philosophy? Check.

 

Acient evil sleeping under the surface? Check.

 

Institutions ruled by bitchy women? Check.

 

etc. etc.

[Kantr]

Was this what it was like when Origins came out? Everyone saying how much it took from Game of Thrones?

I always thought Dragon Age had more of a "Wheel of Time" influence than a Game of Thrones one.
 
Magic corrupting users? Check.
 
The once pure use of magic / force being corrupted by ancient evil and human hubris? Check.
 
Attacks by evil monsters who are created out of existing creatures? Check.
 
Foreign invaders who are trying to turn the entire world to their philosophy? Check.
 
Acient evil sleeping under the surface? Check.
 
Institutions ruled by bitchy women? Check.
 
etc. etc.

Magic doesnt corrupt. People choose to corrupt themselves.

Source of magic (the fade) not corrupted

Magic itself is neutral. It's what you do with it that defines if you are using it for good or evil

[Eledran]

Was this what it was like when Origins came out? Everyone saying how much it took from Game of Thrones?

 

I distinctly remember it being more about copying LOTR back then.