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[slimgrin]

 

The Witcher I never saw as having complex villains. Azar Javed, the preacher in act 1, the Professor, Jacques de Aldersberg, the King of the Wild Hunt, they were all straight up evil. The Lodge of sorceresses in TW2 were evil bitches to a woman. Foltest was just a jerk, all the other nobles and kings were complete assholes except for that one prince in the prologue. The Nilfgaardian ambassador? ******* too. Letho is a grey villain, but that's one in two games. I always thought the grey morality in TW was overstated; in truth, it's grey and black, Geralt almost always faces card-carrying villains. TW certainly has nothing on the level of Tywin Lannister.

 

 

 

OT: A shame how RE Howard, one of the first authors to dwell on low/dark fantasy gets left out of these topics. Also, I recall a very old interview with Gaider claiming Martin as an influence and you can see it, but the emphasis is still high fantasy. Still Tolkien.

[NUM13ER]

As a european I don't see the american continent as doing "dark fantasy" at all.  Its all about the "hero" achetype.  Game of thrones is not dark, its just blood and gore to shock.

 

So the one thing you've taken from Game Of Thrones (and by extension A Song Of Ice And Fire) is that it's violent and that violence is it's only claim to dark fantasy?

Personally I dislike any notion that a story that is violent has nothing else beyond it's brutality or that violence has no storytelling value in of itself. If you believe "blood and gore" is the one thing that makes Game Of thrones dark fantasy, then you've missed the point.
 

[Vilegrim]

What's your example of dark, then?

 

Please don't say The Witcher.

 

 

Prince of Thorns,  The Illiad actually is pretty damn dark, Blood Song, The Laundry Files (Cthullu meets stale beer British spy fiction and every thing is going to die..everything)

[Ogillardetta]

ASOIAF is childs play comparing to what most kids in europe reads pretty early in school tbh.

[Milan92]

Well OP, you got your GoT style back. Dorian and the inquisitor are cousins (distant).

[LinksOcarina]

Well OP, you got your GoT style back. Dorian and the inquisitor are cousins (distant).

 

Wait what?

[Ascendra]

Wait what?

 

If you are a human noble apparently. But there like more than 100 generations between them, so not a really big deal.

[magicalpoop]

I'm really glad they took the direction and moved away from ASOFAI. The Wardens are basically gone, no more stupid blight crap (i.e. WINTER IS COMING ).

I hope DA4 takes the Mass Effect route and goes anew.

Thank god it's the end of Hawke/Allistair/Ferelden Wardens.

[Arl Raylen]

Branka is a complex villain? Really? She's a lunatic out for power too. Zathrian is only a little better, he's a bitter coward unable to let go.

 

Inquisition has Clarel, Calpernia and Alexius as villains that are more than cardboard cut-outs. That's already more than Origins.

 

The Witcher I never saw as having complex villains. Azar Javed, the preacher in act 1, the Professor, Jacques de Aldersberg, the King of the Wild Hunt, they were all straight up evil. The Lodge of sorceresses in TW2 were evil bitches to a woman. Foltest was just a jerk, all the other nobles and kings were complete assholes except for that one prince in the prologue. The Nilfgaardian ambassador? ******* too. Letho is a grey villain, but that's one in two games. I always thought the grey morality in TW was overstated; in truth, it's grey and black, Geralt almost always faces card-carrying villains. TW certainly has nothing on the level of Tywin Lannister.

 

Calpernia was definitely a cardboard cutout, at least in my playthrough. I don't see her as being a gray character just because she disagreed with Corphyeus on a few of the specifics.

 

The entire point of the "evil" forces in The Witcher 1 was that they were trying to save the world from future destruction. Some of the minor cogs, like Azar, may have acted like jerks, but they believed they had a noble purpose. Sounds a lot like Loghain to me. Plus, Azar's performance as the Detective could have won an Oscar...

[Nimlowyn]

Huh. I haven't seen much of the show, but I'm a fan of the books. Really don't see the parallels. Maybe I'd need to see the show.