Criminally bad writing in my opinion, which is a shame/
I am seriously tired of mental shenanigans as a plot device, because both Dragon Age and Mass Effect have beaten them straight to death and back like five times. Seriously. Indoctrination. Darkspawn corruption and the Calling. Regular Lyrium. Red Lyrium. Blood Magic. Demonic Possession.
I don't remember there being any corrupted animals, save for the red lyrium dragon. The only corrupted animals I can remember are the ghoulish wolves and bears from Origins.
You can run into the occasional possessed animal. I know I killed a discolored ram that turned into a rage demon afterward.
Dragon age become too political correct, tolerastic, predictable and clished, unlike Game of thrones which still retained some level of real dark fantasy.
I am seriously tired of mental shenanigans as a plot device, because both Dragon Age and Mass Effect have beaten them straight to death and back like five times. Seriously. Indoctrination. Darkspawn corruption and the Calling. Regular Lyrium. Red Lyrium. Blood Magic. Demonic Possession.
The sad thing is that the Wardens or the Templars or the Mages working with Corypheus could have been a really powerful part of the game if they had real, justified reasons behind them joining up with Corypheus. The Mages sort of did that by pledging themselves to the Venatori, but the Grey Wardens and Templars could have done with much much stronger writing behind them.
Except reading the books that involve the Wardens show that they aren't afraid to resort to blood magic. Ever. They go to extreme lengths constantly.
I think people don't realize that DAO was kind of an idealized version of the Gray Wardens as we only saw a few members, and the two featured heavily (HOF and Alistair) barely know anything about the actual order. I mean, look at Duncan. That man straight up stabbed Jory when he started to freak out about the Joining- a ritual with deadly details that Duncan specifically left out. So it's pretty obvious that the Gray Wardens are not the white knight type heroes that do only good without any sacrifice.
yes but it seems that their goal now are the old dragon gods, not the archedemons, it seems that they have become more aggresive and anger, they want to destroy them at any cost even before their transformation into archedemons, before the 400 years.
inb4 Cullen+Female inquisitor wedding turns into a red one. Oh the reactions.
You can run into the occasional possessed animal. I know I killed a discolored ram that turned into a rage demon afterward.
Origins was influenced by lots of things. You could argue that the rag-tag group of companions you build and how they interact is inspired by Joss Whedon. The man states that a lot of his shows are ultimately about building a family. The bonds of friendship you form with your companions and how they interact are indeed the main focus for a lot of people. A song of Ice and Fire is no greater an influence then that. There's also a lot of characters named after people in Wheel of Time.
Origins was influenced by lots of things. You could argue that the rag-tag group of companions you build and how they interact is inspired by Joss Whedon. The man states that a lot of his shows are ultimately about building a family. The bonds of friendship you form with your companions and how they interact are indeed the main focus for a lot of people. A song of Ice and Fire is no greater an influence then that. There's also a lot of characters named after people in Wheel of Time.
Except Bioware said they were influenced by ASOIAF and not Firefly...
Dragon age become too political correct, tolerastic, predictable and clished, unlike Game of thrones which still retained some level of real dark fantasy.
This. I miss having shocking revelations like what a broodmother is, or how it's made or, hell, that it actually exists. Now it's just elves skipping through the meadows as their past ruins everything for everyone. Thanks elves.
Except Bioware said they were influenced by ASOIAF and not Firefly...
Gaider, at least, said he was influenced by Firefly. Alistair was part Malcolm Reynolds. Hell, Nathan Fill-whatever was someone they wanted to voice Alistair briefly.
It's kind of hard to see the influence of Mal in Alistair. Alistair didn't strike me as the sort to follow in the footsteps of Han Solo.
I agree. I actually agree a lot. Xander from Buffy is also an influence apparently.
Xander I can kind of see, since deflection by way of humor is a prominent trait they both share.
I can see Xander in Alistair but none of Mal at all. Varric is more like Mal if anything.
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Anybody who has ever read the Wheel of Time recognizes that this story has every bit as much of that in it as it does a Song of Ice and Fire. In fact, I would hazard it has always had more in common with the Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings than it ever had with a Song of Ice and Fire. DAO had a bit of political intrigue and a prominent bastard as a major character. That's really about as far as the SoIaF angle takes you. Well and the Grey Wardens basically being the Night Watch.
Tel'Aran'Rhiod more or less = the Fade. A world of dreams that mirrors our own that is shaped by thoughts. Most people visit it only briefly in their dreams at night except for "Dreamers" who can shape it to their will. Entering in the flesh is generally both rare and a bad thing.
Seanchan more or less = Qunari Caste based invaders from across the sea who leash mages and attempt to force all subjugated races into their caste based society.
among other things.
"Dark Fantasy" is just a PR word anyway.
It was never like game of thrones. If you want something similar in time to GoT play the witcher. Dragon Age has always been much lighter than those two.
No Witcher **** please. As much as I hate Inquisition I couldn't stand 15 minutes of the Witcher. Then I watched youtube "movie version" and really, nothing hat interests me. Wondering why the hell people who play DA series like a game with much worse story and combat system even worse than Inquisition. Maybe that's why people don't hate Inquisition as much as I do, they accept all kind of aborted defective fetus...
Whether or not you like the Witcher series, it is true that it is much closer in tone to Game of Thrones than the DA series. The Witcherverse is a lot darker than DA, and it delves more into politics and the scheming of kings and nobles than DA does.
Whether or not you like the Witcher series, it is true that it is much closer in tone to Game of Thrones than the DA series. The Witcherverse is a lot darker than DA, and it delves more into politics and the scheming of kings and nobles than DA does.
Err, maybe the books, only read one of them i got for birthday. The Witcher games i played mainly dealt with killing monsters and bedding wenches.
Meanwhile DA:O has scumbag nobles all over the place, an ancient order full of rejects that guards against an ancient evil, a royal bastard in a main role and a succession war going on.
Honestly, DA is becoming more and more a bland standard fantasy universe, more and more like the lord of rings... and infortunately less and less interesting. Is is because of political correctness ? The writers fear to write some dark stories ? I don't know, but the result is disappointing.
We have a war happening, yes, but even this war seems bland, not bloody enough to be credible. Where are the dark themes ? Not even blood magic in DA:I Hell, even in DAII, our mother was a victim of an a murderer, and horrible things happen to her. Nothing like that in DA:I.
And mage becoming abominations ? Where is it ? I mean, come on, given how mages are desesperate against the templars, we should have seen many of them turning into demons, and even as allies,they should have been dangerous.
In the lore, it is said that mages are dangerous, I could tell you that I never felt that while playing DA:I, which I consider a failure for the universe. Franckly, if it weren't for the previous episodes , I would find surprising how the templar could fear the mages, given how harmless they seem in the last game. ( except those people from Tevinter ) Cullen tell me again and again how mages are dangerous as allies, but not even one of them is dangerous finally , everything is fine. It's like he didn't know what the hell he was talking about.
Seriously, the codex in DA is now much more frightening than the world in the game. 
When I read some things in the lore ( which is awesome ), I definitely wonder if it is the same world where I am playing in the last game.
Tevinter is much less frigtening that I thought It would be seriously compared to what we learned about them in DAO.
Orlais has a big dark side with the game, where is it ? It's almost about only cheesy behaviors. Hell, I even feel that they retconned the Qun with Krem because of political correctness. It's getting annoying.
Don't get me wrong, I liked the game, but I worry that the world of Da fall into something definitely boring.
No Witcher **** please. As much as I hate Inquisition I couldn't stand 15 minutes of the Witcher. Then I watched youtube "movie version" and really, nothing hat interests me. Wondering why the hell people who play DA series like a game with much worse story and combat system even worse than Inquisition. Maybe that's why people don't hate Inquisition as much as I do, they accept all kind of aborted defective fetus...
You will find barely any review of the witcher games, which don't praise the games story (especially Witcher 2) Calling it "worse" than Inqusition with it's simple, generic "chosen hero saves the world" cliche story is ridicuiolus and just shows that you haven't played or understand the witcher games. It's a rather complicated story for a video game, so I don't blame you.
Here is a indepth look at the political aspects of the story (it's a long read)
http://knightofphoen...blr.com/witcher
I thought the New York Times described it well and shows why the game is closer to A Song of Ice and Fire than Dragon Age ever was
http://www.nytimes.c...eview.html?_r=0
"If you enjoy single-player role-playing games on PC, you simply must play The Witcher 2. Innovative, unflinchingly mature and richly imagined, it is driven by fascinating, finely nuanced characters navigating a fantasy world of dark political intrigue and ambiguous morals."
"The world of The Witcher is gothic, soulful and intelligent, yet mercilessly brutal. Innocent people die, and still almost all the characters consider themselves perfectly justified in their actions."
, DAO was close enough to game of Thrones to me, the game which started the franchise and created this world. We had dark themes, social conflicts, a feudal society seen ( we could have other societies as well ). A ruthless world who tries to keep order and survive at the same time, full of flaws with complicated situations, nuanced characters and many innocent people dying around.
I mean, we had an innocent child possessed by a demon, a child that we could kill, that's quite something. Never saw that in any other game. The elven origin was also quite something. Also the lore in DA shows how much ruthless the world of DA is " supposed to be " The darkspaw were fascinating in Origins and Awakening too, the same for the dwarven origins.
I mean, I recently played a dwarf in origin, and while starting a new playthrough, I thought, " wow, didn't know Orzammar was so dark, with Berath, and all. " I found the dwarven city origins awesome, like the one where we play an Aeducan.
But indeed, this feeling is definitely gone with DA:I. I wish I could have seen more things that could punch me. The world of DAO felt alive, the same for the chaos happening in the game.
In Orlais, in DAI, I didn't feel at all that there was a civil war, or that elves were very badly mistreated.
Err, maybe the books, only read one of them i got for birthday. The Witcher games i played mainly dealt with killing monsters and bedding wenches.
Meanwhile DA:O has scumbag nobles all over the place, an ancient order full of rejects that guards against an ancient evil, a royal bastard in a main role and a succession war going on.
Well, I am about to read the "real" books that tell the whole story before the games, with Ciri and all. But the shotr-stories that came way before are ... actually a parody of common fantansy and fairy-tale-cliches. Yeah, with a dark tone for sure. But in fact I see it a bot more like "Discworld" in that regard ^^
And the Witcher games are, msotly, about Geralt himself, first one deals mostly with his RPG-amnesia (that alone is worth a parody by now) and some hints of the big bad evil the world will be in need of saving. And yeah, W2 is basically for the most part "filler", and in W3 we will finally deal with Geralt's real problems: Wild Hunt that is hreatening the world, and Yennifer, the love of his life.
Interesting stuff, but also a wholly different approach than other RPGs take, more personal, which only works because we do not have a blank slate like Dragon Age, but a fully fleshed out character (which wasn't creatd by CD Red, just like the Universe itself ... just mentioning this because say what you want about influence and all, but Thedas is indeed an original work by Bioware, and not an adaption of somebody elses work)
And I miss the days when Witcher was mostly an insider-tip and nobody cared much about it. The hype this series gets now is ...*sigh* ... a bit tiring by now ^^
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