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[atamajakki]

Insane theory ahead, folks; buckle up tight.

Dagna talks about accessing the Stone and the sensory perception of all dwarves by accidentally interacting with lyrium a certain way. Given the ability for dwarves of the miner caste to hear the song of lyrium in the same manner that spirits can, plus the implied importance of the lyrium idol to the dwarves of the primeval thaig and the practice of engraving the Memories in lyrium, we can assume that dwarves have always had an intrinsic connection to lyrium in some regard. With what Dagna perceives (and running with Bianca's hypothesis that lyrium is alive), I propose that lyrium is somehow a living memory of the dwarven people, somewhat akin to the esoteric belief in the "akashic records" (a psychic gestalt of all human memories and experiences popular in fringe psuedoscience).

The dwarves somehow lost access to this living record but have a distorted recollection of the tradition, leading to the Shaperate's use of lyrium in the Memories as a literal take on what used to be possible. Thus, the Stone is the sum of all things dwarf, magically contained in lyrium but lost to the dwarves when their connection to the Fade was severed.

A side-theory from all this is that the Blight predates the Tevinter magisters' ritual to enter the Black City (as evidenced by red/Blighted lyrium in the primeval thaig, untouched by darkspawn and far older than Tevinter) and may well have been initially brought from the Fade into the physical world by dwarves who once had magical talent since lost. Perhaps the dwarves willingly severed their ties to the Fade in the aftermath of something similar to the Tevinter ritual (albeit long before) as a means of containment for the original Blight?

As Sandal once said: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were."

I'm definitely raving like a madman, but this is too interesting to pass up. Thoughts?

[Lewie]

The game doesn't give me enough either way. They either know or they don't at this point.

 

They should know a hell of a lot more than is told, considering they welcome the grey wardens who go to die in the deep roads.

[Obadiah]

That part about the Blight predating the Tevinter Magister's attempt to enter the Golden City because Red Lyrium was in the Primeval Thaig is... interesting.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

I think you are thinking in the direction they have been leading us too. But I can't help but think the Arlathan lore will tie into the Primevil Thaig at some point. The was some talk in the 'temple of Mythal' about 'workers in the earth' and the 'pillars of the earth.'

Could the Dwarves be connected to the Elves some way? We know the Elves of old had slaves that eventually became the Dalish...

Idk this is some fun stuff though. The Primevil Thaig had a lot of Lore we don't have proper context for. It's still a huge mystery.

[AppalachianApex]

That's quite a good theory you have going on here.

Personally, I'm more inclined towards believing that the Elves had more of a connection to the origins of Darkspawn and the Blight, but the Dwarves are certainly connected. Somehow.

What we know is this. Lyrium is Alive, otherwise it could not contract the Blight. Also, The Blight must have been around much longer than the Chantry (or even Corypheus) would lead us to believe because, as you point out, the Primeval Thiag had Red Lyrium and Idols made to it long before Tevinter.

[OHB MajorV]

I'll give you this much, storing memories or information of any kind inside certain minerals (specifically Quartz) has been proven to be scientifically possible so it's not a huge stretch to think BW would use the opportunity to expand on what Lyrium is and what it's capable of.

I wouldn't say it's Dwarven memories locked inside as much as I would think its a Locked history book of the dwarves that they either don't know how to open or choose not to tell people they do, maybe it contains info on a time where dwarves were capable of magic and has been deemed to dangerous or damaging to the dwarves, maybe the dwarven magic is the source of the blight? Who knows where bioware will go.

It's also completely possible that Dagna is just batshit crazy and by studying the fade/lyrium/red lyrium she somehow bypassed the dwarven resistance to it and was simply high.

[Lewie]

The profane. The thaigs would not have been sealed away without severe cause, and they were sealed a long long time ago. Who sealed them away and why? The dwarves livelihood depends on surface trade and unsurprisingly lyrium, hence their stupid mistakes too. If the shaperate knows anything about dwarven history you would think he would say hey lyrium is bad. Their immunity in everything is wearing thin in the story.

[chr0n0mancer]

Lyrium being the memories of dwarves could also explain how the golems are made. Cariden figured this out and a way to turn dwarves into lyrium and combined it with stone to create the golems. Why it couldn't be lyrium that already was as a mineral could be something along the lines of it being more powerful this way.

[atamajakki]

The profane.

They "feed upon the gods" and eat lyrium. They're born from dwarves whose souls are rejected by the Stone. Perhaps the dwarven dead (buried to return to the Stone) contribute to the lyrium-memory while some are denied but still hunger for unity, physically devouring lyrium in a misguided attempt to become one with it?

[atamajakki]

Ghosts are rare enough to be myths on the surface, yet both Kal'Hirol and the primeval thaig are lousy with them (though the latter has them corrupted into rock wraiths). Why do dwarven souls have more staying power than those of other races? What grounds them in reality while everyone else is whisked across the Veil? I'm inclined to blame a race-wide potent connection to the Fade that is somehow blocked among the living but is nonetheless powerful. (See also; miners "hearing" the lyrium like spirits do).

[OHB MajorV]

Maybe magic and the ability for the soul to move on was stripped from the dwarves for some reason by the elven gods for some reason, hence them being cut off from the fade, so the soul looks for a vessel (lyrium).

[Lewie]

They "feed upon the gods" and eat lyrium. They're born from dwarves whose souls are rejected by the Stone. Perhaps the dwarven dead (buried to return to the Stone) contribute to the lyrium-memory while some are denied but still hunger for unity, physically devouring lyrium in a misguided attempt to become one with it?

Yes but who are 'they'. Also what 'gods' do they mean. Was it dwarves from ancient times who were trapped? Realistically something huge had to happen involving the old gods for any of it to make sense, the calling that they revere in the wardens might be a tradition that they don't even fully understand. The profane is pretty much a hunger demon anyway.

 

I am starting to think the grey wardens have been like cannon fodder. Blood, go to the deep roads and die an honourable death! The calling says so! So where did this calling originate from? 

[Shimmer_Gloom]

From what we were led to believe (DA2 Legacy) the Calling was Coryphius all along. But in DAI it is reveild that that was likely not the case.

The Calling is something more potent. And It's tied into the very concept of magic in Thedas itself. The calling is a song. Coryphius manipulated it (using the orb likely? And what else is a Conductor to do?) to mess with the wardens. But true lyrium has a song too. As does whatever is behind the Blight (and red lyrium). And Solas makes some vague references to the magic of Arlathan being woven together.

Until we get more info on how the pre history of Thedas works we likely don't have all the peices.

[Obadiah]

Do you think the Thaig ruins in the Hissing Wastes are tied in somehow to the different types of Lyrium?

[Fearsome1]

This whole thing reminds me of the TV series LOST where the shows creators insisted for years that they clearly knew where everything was heading, and then had us all pondering why some things - like children being important to the island in the first season - were summarily dropped and never mentioned again. Only after the series ended did those lame douchebags admit that what they had "meant" in their statement was only that the show would conclude with Jack's eye closing when he died (as the show had originally premiered the moment his eye had opened following the crash of Oceanic Flight 815).

 

Oh and rampant fan speculation in the early months after the series began that the events depicted on the island were occurring in Purgatory, all quickly shot down and denied for years by these same show runners, proved to be accurate as well!

 

Never give too much credit to those who want to earn your dollars, through a succession of ongoing teases; particularly when mid-series reboots are a norm.

[Navasha]

To me, Lyrium sort of seems like the Gaia theory.    It is a living stone that dwarven 'souls' return to after they die.    It is these dwarven souls that are its magical property.   

 

The irony of the dwarves mining it and smuggling it onto the surface for 'use' is just delicious to pass up.  

[Lewie]

To me, Lyrium sort of seems like the Gaia theory.    It is a living stone that dwarven 'souls' return to after they die.    It is these dwarven souls that are its magical property.   

 

The irony of the dwarves mining it and smuggling it onto the surface for 'use' is just delicious to pass up.  

Also a bit creepy 

[Patchwork]

Lyrium being the memories of dwarves could also explain how the golems are made. Cariden figured this out and a way to turn dwarves into lyrium and combined it with stone to create the golems. Why it couldn't be lyrium that already was as a mineral could be something along the lines of it being more powerful this way.

 

I find it very interesting that golems were in the Primeval Thaig maybe Cariden wasn't the first to make them, maybe there used to be a more humane way to go about it back when spirits were part of the normal world or not knowing what we now know about Arlathan. 

 

I wont be surprised if the Primeval Thaig has elven ties and I wonder where do dwarves fit in to a world without a Veil? Did dwarves lose their connection to the Fade at the same time as elves lost their immortality? 

[StrangeStrategy]

I'll offer what I can to support this;

Fen'Harel (probably) created the Veil when he sealed the Elven Gods in the heavens. Assuming dwarves existed at the time (I'm almost certain they did, knowing what we know about the Cadash Thaig / That statue in the Dalish Origin about dwarf trading) they must have also been permanently cut off from the fade as well. Dwarf mages, huh. Why the Veil cut the dwarves completely while still allowing the other races some mages isn't clear, but I'll assume it has something to do with living underground / proximity to Lyrium.

That said, Red Lyrium DOES exist in the fade. When you fall into it at Adamant, turn around, go back. There is some Red Lyrium right behind you... In the Raw Fade. So, its real. The Blight exists even in the fade.

[StrangeStrategy]

This whole thing reminds me of the TV series LOST where the shows creators insisted for years that they clearly knew where everything was heading, and then had us all pondering why some things - like children being important to the island in the first season - were summarily dropped and never mentioned again. Only after the series ended did those lame douchebags admit that what they had "meant" in their statement was only that the show would conclude with Jack's eye closing when he died (as the show had originally premiered the moment his eye had opened following the crash of Oceanic Flight 815).

 

Oh and rampant fan speculation in the early months after the series began that the events depicted on the island were occurring in Purgatory, all quickly shot down and denied for years by these same show runners, proved to be accurate as well!

 

Never give too much credit to those who want to earn your dollars, through a succession of ongoing teases; particularly when mid-series reboots are a norm.

Yeah this is Off-topic but whatever lol

 

- I assume the children being "important" was due to the Other's being nice; Lets be friendly to the kids, right? Not only that, but pregnancy wasn't a thing on the island so I guess they wanted to see kids again.

- It didn't occur in purgatory, what?

I loved LOST, even if I didn't understand some things. (I mean, wtf was the statue of taweret, why?!) but its the journey and speculation that made it awesome: Getting the answers to every last question isn't as fun as speculating.

 

[Sith Grey Warden]

That said, Red Lyrium DOES exist in the fade. When you fall into it at Adamant, turn around, go back. There is some Red Lyrium right behind you... In the Raw Fade. So, its real. The Blight exists even in the fade.

We saw lyrium in the Fade in DAO, though, too. The demons in the raw fade from DAI were all working with Corypheus, so it's possible they just conjured it from his mind or the mind of one of his followers.

[azarhal]

I'll offer what I can to support this;

Fen'Harel (probably) created the Veil when he sealed the Elven Gods in the heavens. Assuming dwarves existed at the time (I'm almost certain they did, knowing what we know about the Cadash Thaig / That statue in the Dalish Origin about dwarf trading) they must have also been permanently cut off from the fade as well. Dwarf mages, huh. Why the Veil cut the dwarves completely while still allowing the other races some mages isn't clear, but I'll assume it has something to do with living underground / proximity to Lyrium.

That said, Red Lyrium DOES exist in the fade. When you fall into it at Adamant, turn around, go back. There is some Red Lyrium right behind you... In the Raw Fade. So, its real. The Blight exists even in the fade.

 

Cole explain why Templars have magical resistance in DAI. He says that lyrium is trying to go "out" so magic can't come "in". Dwarves might be similar. Colas also call the act of casting spell as singing...