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[Ashagar]

This is a story about lying to make one self comfortable instead of facing the hard, cold truth of reality. Eventually, the hard, cold truth of reality can catch up to the people lying to themselves and the end result is not pretty.

 

All that needs to happen now is something horrible beyond the Inquisitors control and all those people singing the songs to the herald of Andraste will turn on the Inquisitor in a heart beat. 

 

Faith can move mountains and what is reality in a world were magic spirits and demons truly exist. A world where gods can be corrupted into arch-demons and slain, where dwarves can be condemned by the stone to become rock wraiths or forgotten spirits. In a world where ashes of a holy woman can cure what even magic can not.

[elrofrost]

Yeah Archetict would have been better imo. But he isn't exactly the type to blow a hole in the sky and try to be god. He just wants to stop the blights and give darkspawn sentience.  Not to mention the fact that he's killable.

 

Coryphinuts could have been a compelling villain if they had spent more time developing him out side of codex entries and war table missions. There was a good villain there. But his potential was squandered.

Cory would've been a better villain if he actually put up a good fight. i was expecting a fight ala ME2. What we got was some dusty-old-mage who can be easily put down at level 16. *yawn* And his dragon - I had more trouble with bears in the game.

[lyleoffmyspace]

The Architect would not have worked as the villain full stop. He just isn't villainous enough. He works best as an interesting grey villain. Corypheus is totally irredeemable. The Architect is also too associated with The Blight.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Except dead people in Warcraft tend to stay dead. Resurrection is rare and barely happens at all.

My comment was a reference to Kael'thas Sunstrider's words in Magister's Terrace, as noted by Natashina, above. Don't take it too literally.

Muradin (he appeared quite dead in WC3), Prince Kael who was killed by player at Tempest Keep, and was brought back to life by demons, Kel'Thuzad that was an end game raid boss twice, once for the original 60man Naxx from vanilla WoW, once for WotLK.  Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.  It was Kael himself that said, "TEMPEST KEEP WAS ONLY A SETBACK!"  I used to solo the place for the phoenix mount (at level 90) before I quit the game a little over 2 years ago.

There is also Neferian coming back for a second round in Cataclysm after getting killed in Vanilla WoW. Plenty of characters have been killed off, and then recycled. There are strong rumours floating about that Illidan could be up for a resurrection in the foreseeable future, as Chris Metzen has said he is a sucker for a redemption story and Illidan is crazy popular.

[Shinobu]

I would have felt more invested in the fight since I played Awakening but didn't bother with DA2 DLC. However, I regard the Architect as the Jowan of Darkspawn, so he's not exactly scary.

[Grieving Natashina]

My comment was a reference to Kael'thas Sunstrider's words in Magister's Terrace, as noted by Natashina, above. Don't take it too literally.


There is also Neferian coming back for a second round in Cataclysm after getting killed in Vanilla WoW. Plenty of characters have been killed off, and then recycled. There are strong rumours floating about that Illidan could be up for a resurrection in the foreseeable future, as Chris Metzen has said he is a sucker for a redemption story and Illidan is crazy popular.

Man, they're trying to bring Illidan back again?  They've been talking about it for years, but I can see them doing it now.

 

Well, nice to see somethings never change.  

[phaonica]

Corypheus would have been fine if he had seemed more threatening or if he'd challenged our morals. The Architect wouldn't have been any better if he had boringly stuck to an unquestionably destructive plan that he repeatedly, comically failed at.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Man, they're trying to bring Illidan back again?  They've been talking about it for years, but I can see them doing it now.
 
Well, nice to see somethings never change.  

Well, the end of Warlords is reputedly going to probably be tied in with the return of the Burning Legion, so Illidan would fit with that. Mind you, I'm not playing it currently myself, so I don't know where their plans are at right at this moment. I'm mostly just going on what the story devs have said at the last couple of BlizzCons.

[Kierro Ren]

Architect would not been a good choice. He wanted to "supposedly" stop the blight. Cory wanted destruction from the start, unlike The Architect, who tried a more peaceful approach. He likely will return, even if killed, remember his Warden butt kisser? Yeah she was killed, but so was the Warden Cory used at the Elven ruins in DA:I.

[Angloassassin]

Man, they're trying to bring Illidan back again?  They've been talking about it for years, but I can see them doing it now.

 

Well, nice to see somethings never change.  

 

 

Well, the end of Warlords is reputedly going to probably be tied in with the return of the Burning Legion, so Illidan would fit with that. Mind you, I'm not playing it currently myself, so I don't know where their plans are at right at this moment. I'm mostly just going on what the story devs have said at the last couple of BlizzCons.

 

 

Well, Warlords is going to an Alternate Azeroth, During a Time Period that Illidan would still be in jail. So it's possible they'd bring him around later down the road.

 

 

More to the topic, Architect wasn't really a villain persay. I'd figure him more towards Anti-Hero. He does what he does to try and stop the Darkspawn from being mindless puppets to The Calling, aside from the Hiccup that was  The 5th Blight, He proved that if you Freed Darkspawn, they could even friggin talk! 

 

I mean, it's not the *Best* Plan, having Awakened Darkspawn running around; because they can vary in beliefs and actions as much as people; but still! Think if there was just Radical Splinter Cells still trying to raise the Old Gods, rather than Entire Freaking Hordes.

[Dragoonlordz]

It's quite annoying that you can resurrect companions in fights yet when stand next to a dying NPC who then dies you cannot resurrect them despite no actual difference between a companion dying in a fight and an NPC dying in front of you. It is a gameplay aspect that is in stark contrast to the world in which it is used. I also agree with other people on topic about the Architect is not dead even if claim killed in DAA, he is a magister darkspawn like Cory and has companions tainted with the blight to which can jump into if killed. He would not be the right antagonist for DAI however since his goals and actions do not create the same level of world destruction as Cory plans, unless Gaider destroyed his character like did with Anders if brought him back into the game as the Architect was not that evil in comparison yet Gaider and Bioware in general are well known for ruining characters for plot convenience or overusing retcons to alter the traits and personalities, history of previous games/characters for plot convenience too.

[Gaesesagai]

Corypheus "is" the Architecht. Yes I know not really, but I think they just liked the looks and the speech so they decided even back then that the Architect will be featured in DA2, DA3, etc. Imo they just thought it was a badass design and didn't want to let it go to waste.

As for how they are doing it, it's easy, pretend the Architect didn't exist, pretend Corypheus isn't a clone, pretend players couldn't kill him in DAO, pretend players didn't kill him in DA2, etc... lol

[Willowhugger]

They totally wasted the Architect in Awakening, he was far to interesting an antagonist to kill off so soon. He deserved an entire game dedicated to fighting him, not an add-on. It seems like they always introduce interesting characters in the novels, and then deal with them in fairly unsatisfying ways in the games. Maybe Corypheus might have seemed less boring if he had featured in a book and we got to delve into his story more.

Why would we fight him? The Architect is a good guy.

[Gonzo]

Oh no, that architect is a monster. there's a whole book on that.

[Kantr]

The Architect is a lot more subtle than cory, and he's not mad. Trouble is you have to side with the templars to learn of some of the motives behind what cory does.

[AmberDragon]

Who else think that the Architect should have gotten involved instead of being forgotten? He's cunning and know what's he's doing. Corypheous just striked me as a dumb magister that lost his mind in his quest for power. 

Not sure that would have worked as others have said he wasn't a villan as such he just wanted to make the darkspawn better.

 

I let him live in awakenings though and was hoping to see how that decision affected the world, but seems it made no difference at all... which was a little disappointing.

[Bfler]

Why would we fight him? The Architect is a good guy.

Because he wants to transform the living population into half darkspawn. That's ME 3's Synthesis in Thedas.

[Ruairi46]

Yeah that didn't work much for Corypheous right? 

That's because the Bioware forums are full of people who are never happy with anything. Corpheous was clearly not dead after the events of Dragon Age 2, so it made sense for him to be an antagonist. Characters that definitely can die like the Architect unless for lore reasons cannot shouldn't be brought back. (So no Leliana scenarios)

[myahele]

well there are still some ancient magister darkspawn in the deeproads, so they can always become a minor threat if they ever figure out corpheus = them and try to attempt something simmilar

[Vilegrim]

He can't be involved unless they have another character who can come back from the dead just like that. And I think they brough enough characters back from the dead already.

 

Speaking of which, how is Leliana justified for people who killed her in DA:O?

Sacred Ashes.

 

The Architect being able to body hop wouldn't be a stretch, if Coryfish can do it, the other magisters being able to wouldn't be a stretch.

[Aulis Vaara]

Sacred Ashes.

But those were corrupted if you killed her there...

[Mr.House]

Sacred Ashes.

 

The Architect being able to body hop wouldn't be a stretch, if Coryfish can do it, the other magisters being able to wouldn't be a stretch.

That implies he is a magister, that is never confirmed and considering that the only blighted creatures he could have body hoped that where near him was the wardens yet none of them show signs(unlike Legacy that clearly shows signs)

[berrieh]

The Architect would make no sense as the villain unless the story is significantly changed. The Architect really wasn't trying to hurt people en masse, and that's the whole reason it's a reasonable choice to let him live. He was honestly trying to help and his methods were a bit unethical and his judgment fairly poor. But you need a fairly pure evil for a story like DAI to work. 

[Ashagar]

If you recall the architect also had that crazy dalish elf warden's sister with him, she never takes part in the battle and disappears after you kill him.